I disagree with almost everyone :/
Dash slam is a crutch. Wavelanding dash claw and grabbing puts a grab hitbox in the same place at the same time with only slightly less damage payoff, and then you also get to do everything else that dash claw can do (wavelanding downtilt, superarmoring through stuff, just hitting people with it in general).
Dash slam is only good if you can't time the waveland consistently.
For the sake of the terminology I'll be using:
Klaw: Special 1
Dash Klaw: Special 2
Dash Slash: Special 3
Now then, Dash Klaw is not a crutch. I do think Dash Slash is better, but calling Dash Klaw a crutch is wrong when it's just a different option overall. Dash Klaw puts out a grab hitbox faster than a wavelanded Dash Slash -> grab by a large margin. I'm talking like 15+ frames faster. This is a fact. Dash Klaw also gives you ways to scoop people on platforms, wheras Dash Slash isn't as good in that situation.
I have to be somewhat skeptical at calling dash klaw a crutch. Waveland grab is slower (thus unsafer) and won't work for platforms.
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I think Fire shot is really good because you can force approach against characters with no projectile at all.
It also does negligible damage and is easy to powershield. Projectiles don't really force an approach if they don't threaten. It's also extremely laggy, and easy to punish at anything other then absurdly long ranges. (which you do not threaten in the first place)
Flame breath is so laggy that if someone rolls behind it they get to pick their punish off a menu. I think people are saying they use flame breath rarely and want fire roar because flame breath is not that great compared to his other non-projectile options, so why not take a projectile?
Fireball is laggy too, so moot point. Also, if you're shooting fire at a range where someone can just roll behind you, you're doing it wrong. Fire exists to cover yourself and to cover options. It's a terrible offensive tool. It's a means to bait reactions safely and counter appropriately. Fireball doesn't even do that, since it doesn't force any decisive reaction to begin with.
I'm not convinced fire roar is better by the way because I think it seems to have a higher DI co-efficient that makes it do less damage. Are you guys testing on humans?
No one thinks that Fire Roar is overall better. We just think that it's funny and manly.
Slip Bomb is the best down B by a margin. If you ledge cancel it, it's not a high risk move anymore, it's firmly in the low-risk/low-reward area and it's useful in that regard. The same is true of using it while getting juggled where it's faster than standard. If you're up against a guy that's going to let you break a shield with standard down B, by all means take standard down b, but if their playstyle isn't going to give you that you're going to like slip bomb better. (The range at which it trips is huge btw).
Disagree completely.
A low risk/low reward Bowser Bomb has no purpose. The move is always meant to be high risk high reward. Regular bomb can be ledge canceled anyway, so that makes Bomb low risk/high reward in the same situations as Slip Bomb. If you're being juggled, Slip Bomb isn't going to save you. You're gonna get hit over and over again because Bomb trades with everything.
The huge trip range is irrelevant when the shockwave can be shielded. Since Trip Bomb does not break shields, you do not threaten someone who will just shield the bomb and punish you hard.
Regular Bowser Bomb is usable because it's Bowser's fastest grounded kill move that can be done out of a run and as a punish. That's how you're supposed to use Bomb outside of frame traps. Grounded Bomb is an insane tool. When you use Slip Bomb, you basically give that up for a move that is even MORE gimmicky and fraudulent. Not only is the payoff way worse, it's also harder to hit people with. So what's the point? To get people to trip once in awhile?
