Boondock Saints Mafia(Day 5 begins)

[Trillion]

MM did you even read my last post? I don't see why you come up with that "me or him" attitude when both of you being town would make complete sense. Personally, at this point I'm more inclined to believe that you're the one lying if I had to choose one of you two because you're all about feeling undermined by his claim and a conflict between your claims although there's no evidence whatsoever and I personally see no reason to believe this at all.

Have you even read anything? I'm not trying to be rude asking this, but it seriously looks to me like you haven't.

Last night, my watch ability failed to see anything happen to YOU. The role blocker is dead. BlueYoshi claims he viewed you last night, but I didn't get a result that said that he viewed you. So, what happened? How does that make complete sense?

I'm not feeling undermined. There is DIRECT CONFLICTING RESULTS between our claimed night actions. Therefore, one of us must be lying. I'm happy to take the fall to prove that he is lying.

 

[Trillion]

Seriously... what is with your obsession of getting me lynched? First you say I'm trying to frame you, then I apparently made a huge reaction to your list day 1, now it's ok if we prove you're the watcher so we lynch me tomorrow? Wow... who is supposed to feel framed? Since Day 1, you've seemed to be at my throat.

Have I not proven my townness by being involved in the lynch on SS (resulting in a double mafia kill), along with being one of the biggest driving forces on F0's lynch?

The SS lynch doesn't clear you. Every mafia will bandwagon one of their own if it is going to most likely be an ineviable lynch anyway which SS's lynch looked like. You were NOT a driving force of F0's lynch and even if you were, he was inactive and doing you no good. His death would serve only to make you look more innocent.

If I am lynched and shown up as watcher, then how does that "frame" you? A townie has no reason to frame someone. When it is proven that I was working for the town, then it will be proven that I had no need to frame you.

WHY DID YOU NOT TRY TO CONFIRM MY CLAIM?? It is a pure no-brainer move. If there is a claimed investigator under suspicion, then you detect them to find out if they are telling the truth. I seriously can't believe that you haven't been bandwagoned to death yet for this ridiculous claim.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Reasons: Night 1, I found Macman as very scummy, with others saying that he normally plays that way, so I checked him since people had mixed opinions. Night 2, I decided to check Cacti since he has done nothing this game. Night 3, I mindgamed myself and tried to get a town read on someone for a 4 of 6 confirmed town group. Night 3, I was dumb, I'll admit it. Had I thought it through properly, I would have likely picked you night 3.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

id rather go with cactus

vote: cacti

mm im calling you out. i dont like that youve now had 2 nights of no info no matter if it does make sense. id like to know who you have investigated. id also like to know who you think is suspicious as well as who you think has been sabotaging your night actions.

BY not a bad idea but id like to know who you are most suspicious of besides those four.

in the meantime, im going to lay down a vote on raine/forever zero for pretty much the same reasoning as by.

Vote: forever zero

~marshy

lets quicklynch cacti. whose with me?!!?!

Actually, I'm going to go with Forever Zero as well. Of the four I listed, I think he's the scummiest. For part of my reasoning, look at his last post, and look at his recent posts... major contradiction. I came across that while trying to see his posts in this game... (I usually go to "view all posts by username" to see past posts of a particular person in mafia games I play). No, I'm not proud with the way I find him scummy, but either way, I find him scummy.

Vote: Forever Zero

Only included the important posts (not my "Ronike made that post" posts).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Have you even read anything? I'm not trying to be rude asking this, but it seriously looks to me like you haven't.

Last night, my watch ability failed to see anything happen to YOU. The role blocker is dead. BlueYoshi claims he viewed you last night, but I didn't get a result that said that he viewed you. So, what happened? How does that make complete sense?

I'm not feeling undermined. There is DIRECT CONFLICTING RESULTS between our claimed night actions. Therefore, one of us must be lying. I'm happy to take the fall to prove that he is lying.

I know that the results conflict. And at the same time it wouldn't even make sense for BY to fake that claim. Why the hell would he do that? Even if it would help him to get you lynched as soon as you flipped watcher he'll be lynched toMorrow and loses regardless if he's scum. Only chance for him would be if there's another mafia besides him which would mean that there's a 5 man team.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Request Votecount

4 days till deadline.

 

[Trillion]

I know that the results conflict. And at the same time it wouldn't even make sense for BY to fake that claim. Why the hell would he do that? Even if it would help him to get you lynched as soon as you flipped watcher he'll be lynched toMorrow and loses regardless if he's scum. Only chance for him would be if there's another mafia besides him which would mean that there's a 5 man team.

Blue Yoshi has not claimed the he viewed me as scum, just that he hasn't cleared me yet (which once again his explanation as to why still makes no sense at all). He could simply play it off as I must have been blocked or something. He has put me as one of his 3 "uncleared" so that I will be lynched as most suspicious of the three, but that he doesn't have to destroy his own cop credibility yet to get me lynched because his claim won't be shown false.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Wow... seriously... 90% of your posts are trying to get me lynched. I mean seriously... you're repeating the same arguments over and over again. Why do you think I'm after you? I clearly stated earlier today that I am disregarding my cop checks as "I always read someone as town" unless I get a scum read on someone, so... yeah.

Why not for once drop the "BY's claiming cop so that he can frame me and make me look suspiscious" routine, since that's not at all what I am doing.

Well, that said, I'll be away until either Wednesday night or Thursday morning, so... hopefully some useful discussion gets brought up in that time.

 

[Trillion]

Wow... seriously... 90% of your posts are trying to get me lynched. I mean seriously... you're repeating the same arguments over and over again. Why do you think I'm after you? I clearly stated earlier today that I am disregarding my cop checks as "I always read someone as town" unless I get a scum read on someone, so... yeah.

Why not for once drop the "BY's claiming cop so that he can frame me and make me look suspiscious" routine, since that's not at all what I am doing.

Well, that said, I'll be away until either Wednesday night or Thursday morning, so... hopefully some useful discussion gets brought up in that time.

No 90% of my posts this game didn't even mention you, just the recent ones.

I have to repeat the same arguments over and over because you have not given a reasonable answer to them and people are not posting.

I think that you are indirectly pushing my lynch. Your claim puts me with two other people that look somewhat more town than myself due to my lack of useful info from my role. You are basically not committing to my lynch but framing the situation in a way that I am the obvious choice. When I get lynched however, you have not specifically used a claim to get me lynched so your claim will not be falsified.

 

[mentosman8]

Vote count!

Cacti(1): Gheb
Bunglefever(1): Cacti
Blue Yoshi(1): magnificentmarth
Not Voting(3): Moronik, Bunglefever, Blue Yoshi

 

[Moronik]

Sup Boondock Saints.

So anyone else tired of Cacti ruining every god**** game he's in? And wondering why he hasn't voted a single flipped scum-aligned player all game? And why his vote record is so bad? And why he's replaced/outed out of other games but not this one? On the other hand Raine hopped on his wagon QUICK D3 which looked like opportunistic scum latching onto a mislynch wagon to me. F0 was noobie scum...would he bus his only remaining partner after losing his sibling buddies earlier? Seems unlikely.

Should we ask mentos to modkill Cacti? Assume that mentos would grant a deadline extension if he did.

Anyone else having a hard time believing that Blue Yoshi, a newer player, would bus both of his buddies like that? And that magnificentmarth's night actions failed even after the scum roleblocker was lynched? Yet they're asking themselves, 'Why would MM make up such a terrible lie when lynching Blue Yoshi would just force Town to look at him hard D5, losing him the game if he's scum?' He looked okay before the contradicting night actions.

I hope MM isn't some kind of obnoxious, ****tyass, independent watcher ****ing over Town despite having no chance of winning like there was in Monster Mafia.

Anyone else pissed that Bungle has started lurking and started generally being a do-nothing after having such a strong start ****ing over their town read on him? Show me your Town game Bungle. You're not getting nightkilled.

We're not feeling confident on anyone like we were with ScumSquad and Forever Scum due to the overwhelming amount of scum in this game.

~Ronike

 

[Moronik]

Should we use our single deadline extension?

~Ronike

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Sup Boondock Saints.

So anyone else tired of Cacti ruining every god**** game he's in? And wondering why he hasn't voted a single flipped scum-aligned player all game? And why his vote record is so bad? And why he's replaced/outed out of other games but not this one? On the other hand Raine hopped on his wagon QUICK D3 which looked like opportunistic scum latching onto a mislynch wagon to me. F0 was noobie scum...would he bus his only remaining partner after losing his sibling buddies earlier? Seems unlikely.

Yes. I'm also tired of him voting me for the same reasons everyone votes him. EVERYTIME.

Anyone else having a hard time believing that Blue Yoshi, a newer player, would bus both of his buddies like that? And that magnificentmarth's night actions failed even after the scum roleblocker was lynched? Yet they're asking themselves, 'Why would MM make up such a terrible lie when lynching Blue Yoshi would just force Town to look at him hard D5, losing him the game if he's scum?' He looked okay before the contradicting night actions.

This is where I'm torn as well. I just don't think Blue Yoshi would do this. However, looking at his scum partners (namely SS) I think he might've been told a plan and to stick to it. I dunno, tis all pretty much WIFOM.

Anyone else pissed that Bungle has started lurking and started generally being a do-nothing after having such a strong start ****ing over their town read on him? Show me your Town game Bungle. You're not getting nightkilled.

hi

I also don't see a reason to use our deadline extension unless cacti is modkilled.

 

[Moronik]

Hi!

So you're seriously going to come back and post like minutes after my last post after lurking for days...cool. Nah, **** that. I'm giving you homework.

Reread the thread. Force yourself if need be. 16 pages isn't much, you're on AIM often, you just showed that you pay more attention to this game that you let on, and you're posting in other games as well. No johns. Give us reads on Cacti, Gheb, and Blue Yoshi.

~Ronike

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I don't need to reread except with a focus on gheb

BY : ARG so many..mistakes. I really don't understand why he didn't investigate MM. His reasoning for why he didn't is also meh. Again, looking at the scum team (specifically SS) i can see this plan being possible, how probable is the question.

Cacti: What's there to say? He didn't say anything at ALL day 3, comes in votes me, and leaves. He hasn't posted since. He posted maybe twice day 2. If anything this warrants a modkill, it's ridiculous.

My recollection as far as D3 goes though on Gheb : I'm getting a town read on him, but he seems to be fence sitting (as in I don't see him pushing any lynch like he normally does) which I find rather odd.

 

[Moronik]

hey cacti wanna post? Or you just wanna get modkilled?

~marshy

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Should we ask mentos to modkill Cacti? Assume that mentos would grant a deadline extension if he did.

I would approve of the modkill. It helped a lot in Monster Mafia too.

Anyone else having a hard time believing that Blue Yoshi, a newer player, would bus both of his buddies like that? And that magnificentmarth's night actions failed even after the scum roleblocker was lynched?

This and the fact that he'll probably end up lynched if his claim turns out to be a lie make me think he's telling the truth or that he's at least not scum and that there's either a miscommunication or that MM is lying.

I hope MM isn't some kind of obnoxious, ****tyass, independent watcher ****ing over Town despite having no chance of winning like there was in Monster Mafia.

I thought about that option too but it wouldn't make much sense either. If he's an indy watcher then his WinCon is most likely the same as survivor. Why would he try to get a claimed townie PR lynched then if he's got a good opportunty to joint with us? That would be the most stupid thing to do. If I knew more about MMs meta I could judge him more accurately.

Should we use our single deadline extension?

~Ronike

If Cacti is modkilled and flips town I think we should.

My recollection as far as D3 goes though on Gheb : I'm getting a town read on him, but he seems to be fence sitting (as in I don't see him pushing any lynch like he normally does) which I find rather odd.

How have I been fence-sitting? Ignoring the fact that I've been behind every correct lynch, knew about the color thing of the town role PM I have also pushed Cacti ever since D1. That's like the complete opposite of fence-sitting.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I said as far as D3 goes (basically toDay). When I reread late last night (basically BY's little post on who voted scum when), I noticed you had been behind every lynch.

 

[mentosman8]

Cacti has received a final prod. Failure to respond will result in a modkill.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Honestly, you should just modkill him regardless of his response. The whole game has come to a complete halt and he will not be back anyways.

 

[Moronik]

With deadline in 2 days, now would be a good time to make the play.

Vote: magnificentmarth

-3

~Ronike

 

[Trillion]

With deadline in 2 days, now would be a good time to make the play.

Vote: magnificentmarth

-3

~Ronike

If you wanna buy BlueYoshi's obvious BS, then go ahead. I'm Vincenzo Lipazzi. Just make sure that after you guys listen to reasoning that doesn't make sense that you lynch the person who led you to making such a stupid mistake.

 

[Moronik]

MM, you're assuming that "failing" your night action means that no one visited the target. I'm having trouble thinking of why your view would fail, but the assumption that you're making is dangerous.

So Bungle's 615 translates to "meh iono" on half the game and he's not doing anything to move discussion or make conclusions. Great.

Deadline's tomorrow night and we need 3 more votes. No no-lynch.

@Mentos: Are you going to modkill Cacti soon or what? Extension if so?

~Ronike

 

[Blue Yoshi]

I was away for over 3 days, and you guys have only done 15 posts? Wow...

Thinking mathematically, it would be better for us if Cacti were modkilled. If he were not, then we have a 1 in 6 today of lynching scum, then a 1 in 4 tomorrow of lynching scum... then when two remain, it's over... so overall a 5/12 chance of lynching scum (under 50%). If he were modkilled, our odds improve to 1 in 5, then 1 in 3... a 8/15 chance of lynching scum (over 50%). Of course, this is assuming that all that happens is one lynch and one nightkill every night (so everything else fails, like doctor or whatever else there is).

I think that we should use our extention today, since... well, either way, it's either today or tomorrow. Seeing as we have no idea at all, might as well use it today.

 

[Moronik]

If you think an extension would be best then vote it. Deadline's tomorrow.

Vote: Extension

2. The players may majority vote for a deadline extension. This can only be done once.

~Ronike

 

[~ Gheb ~]

An extension now would be in town's best interest.

Request deadline extension, Scumfever Prod + Cacti modkill

Scumfever failing to take a clear stance and being wishy-washy on players is also noted. Could be scum trying to keep all options and his resent play looks like stalling to me.

 

[Moronik]

Why aren't you two voting?

~Ronike

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I think we obviously have a mislynch left, I say go with Blue Yoshi today/MM, their lynch will provide the most information IMO.


vote MM

hmmmm

deadline extension requested

 

[Trillion]

MM, you're assuming that "failing" your night action means that no one visited the target. I'm having trouble thinking of why your view would fail, but the assumption that you're making is dangerous.

~Ronike

That would be true. If it weren't entirely false that is. I originally assumed that I had been blocked. THEN I realized that it could mean that my targets weren't being visited. THEN you claimed that you used your action on night 2 so that stopped my view. So, I am not sure what should have happened on night 3 anymore at all and I have not committed myself to assuming any of them as fact.

 

[Trillion]

I think we obviously have a mislynch left, I say go with Blue Yoshi today/MM, their lynch will provide the most information IMO.


vote MM

hmmmm

deadline extension requested

I can't believe you are voting me over a supposed cop who didn't try to confirm a watcher claimant.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I'm willing to write that off as him just being stupid. Gheb's 605 is what convinced me on why BY really has no reason to cliam what he did.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Request Deadline Extention

Request Cacti modkill

MM... of everything you said that I have done that was against you, can you please supply evidence? Please use MY POSTS, and MY POSTS ONLY. You've accused me of many things. Though most of your evidence, you've made up, either just straight up making up facts, or saying I've said things when... well, I haven't. So why don't you state something I did to frame you, and provide actual proof that I've done it.

So... in summary, take every reason you've said that supposedly makes me accuse you, and use my posts as evidence to prove those statements. Do not make up conclusions or assumptions, unless they are obvious (as in, don't make something up unless it is 100% true).

Sorry, I'm really getting tired of this "Blue Yoshi is framing me. Everyone get him". Here is your chance to prove your wild accusations. If you can prove them, then... well, I guess they are true. If you can't (as most aren't), then... well, you made it up.

Here's your chance. Go for it.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

and quote the posts you are using.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Mentos' been on yesterday and still gave no updates? Lame. Would like to know how he handles the Cacti problem. If there's no modkill I'd rather lynch him than anybody else. Not liking Scumfevers recent buddying / pseudo-clearing me.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I never pseudo cleared you. I just agree with your sentiment that BY has no reason to lie about his claim.

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Uh... just a warning, I am away for the day... and the deadline is today... so... seeing as I have no idea who to vote for, I won't vote (and hope for a deadline extention). I may be back before the deadline... but not likely.

 

[Moronik]

Wow...

So why aren't you voting yet Gheb?

~Ronike

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I AM voting - Cacti; because we have yet to see mentos' decision. It's really frustrating that the mod keeps us waiting for votecounts and decisions. I really don't want to risk a possible PR lynch if mentos doesn't modkill Cacti. That'd mean we've lost a watcher and still have our Cacti problem.

Unvote Vote: MagnificentMarth

Ready to switch to Cacti any time.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also MM's at L-1.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Honestly, I'd be surprised if mentos will actually be here by deadline which makes things even more frustrating. *sigh*