Official Book of [MU]dora Index.

[tibs7]

Huuuuge trouble with falco.
he combos us his jab is just amazing. He can edgeguard. And most importantly he has a ridiculously safe reflector.

It seems our reads are alot more dangerous.

some tips would be appreciated

 

[Elessar]

Huuuuge trouble with falco.
he combos us his jab is just amazing. He can edgeguard. And most importantly he has a ridiculously safe reflector.

It seems our reads are alot more dangerous.

some tips would be appreciated

My experience with this MU so far has been similar to what Brawl's used to be. That means, try to keep him at Zair distance. This is ideal now since his laser's hitlag means that if he shoots we can move in and punish easily. We're out of reach from his attacks and even his reflector. He can't reflect the zair and just in case, he's within easy reach of our projectiles, in that he won't be able to spam the reflector fast enough to stop them on reaction. Try to keep him at that distance and be more aggresive than before. It is still a nasty fight, and expect to get hit and comboed. Also, try to go for a gimp when possible, it is harder but still not impossible.

Finally, it would be best probably if you create a new thread with the tag [MU]. Something like [MU] Falco or something like that so that more people can participate and the discussion be richer. Specially since this thread is bound to be closed soon and all MU related discussions derived to threads of their own.

 

[Vidiot825]

Huuuuge trouble with falco.
he combos us his jab is just amazing. He can edgeguard. And most importantly he has a ridiculously safe reflector.

It seems our reads are alot more dangerous.

some tips would be appreciated

As an added note as to what's said above, his reflector actually ISNT ridiculously safe, contrary to what most people think. There's a window after he throws out the reflector that an arrow can hit before he throws out another reflector. Use this as you want, I try and condition them to stop reflecting all together by baiting it with a fully charged arrow.

Fox on the other hand... A lot of zairs and neutral airs, very defensive match up for link since he has a lasting reflector.

Against both these characters I like to lay bombs on the floor while zairing so they can't rush me down immediately since the bombs have a small bounce animation that will explode if they run into it.

 

[tibs7]

I know it has a window of vulnerability But it's very small.
Having an item in hand limits so much against him I feel.
Zair distance is something I'll be keeping in mind though, thanks guys

 

[ShinTwist ScreamPaste]

http://smashboards.com/threads/mu-link-vs-wii-fit-trainer.382311/
We now have a Wii Fit Trainer thread that needs to be added to the OP.

 

[Elessar]

http://smashboards.com/threads/mu-link-vs-wii-fit-trainer.382311/
We now have a Wii Fit Trainer thread that needs to be added to the OP.

Done.

 

[Zelkam]

*looks at title* I see what you did there

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Dawwww. Thread hijacked. T_T

 

[Elessar]

Dawwww. Thread hijacked. T_T

You went MIA for a long time, we needed to keep updating this and make it useful.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

It's fine. I need to dedicate my energy to starting my All Link All The Time stream. #ForGlory

 

[KenMeister]

So...The Ganon boards are convinced that the Link matchup seems to be in their favor, and while I play Ganon and not so much Link, I have a hard time imagining it being in his favor. Any thoughts? They seem to say that Ganon beats Link at midrange, but I have a hard time seeing that happen at top level play due to how long it takes to get past tools like zair (Ganon is tall lol) and his projectiles in general, since they seem to be easier to whiff on him than most other matchups due to his bad mobility.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

So...The Ganon boards are convinced that the Link matchup seems to be in their favor, and while I play Ganon and not so much Link, I have a hard time imagining it being in his favor. Any thoughts? They seem to say that Ganon beats Link at midrange, but I have a hard time seeing that happen at top level play due to how long it takes to get past tools like zair (Ganon is tall lol) and his projectiles in general, since they seem to be easier to whiff on him than most other matchups due to his bad mobility.

Ganondorf is definitely dangerous. I've run into a few solid Ganondorfs who just tank all my projectiles and punish me. However, if I stay patient, mix things up, and throw grabs in at critical moments, Ganondorf falls apart. It's just a tricky fight because, unlike against most other characters, making a single mistake is costly (usually your entire stock). You have to stay sharp. Overall, assuming both players are on the ball, I'd say it leans in Link's favor.

 

[ShinTwist ScreamPaste]

They might actually be on to something, Zair doesn't autocancel anymore and they absolutely have the tools to power through our spam and end us.

 

[Zelkam]

They might actually be on to something, Zair doesn't autocancel anymore and they absolutely have the tools to power through our spam and end us.

Can we really say that it doesn't autocancel anymore? Because it's really just the general nerf to landings that we're referring to which affected all moves that autocancel. So in reality, it still autocancels but autocanceling is just a bit laggier.

 

[KenMeister]

W

Ganondorf is definitely dangerous. I've run into a few solid Ganondorfs who just tank all my projectiles and punish me. However, if I stay patient, mix things up, and throw grabs in at critical moments, Ganondorf falls apart. It's just a tricky fight because, unlike against most other characters, making a single mistake is costly (usually your entire stock). You have to stay sharp. Overall, assuming both players are on the ball, I'd say it leans in Link's favor.

Well to be fair, a single mistake using ANYONE against Ganon can cost a stock, it's been this way since Melee (Brawl doesn't exist). Characters like Sheik have it easy overwhelming Ganon, but one or two mistakes is all it takes to end her stock.

 

[ShinTwist ScreamPaste]

Can we really say that it doesn't autocancel anymore? Because it's really just the general nerf to landings that we're referring to which affected all moves that autocancel. So in reality, it still autocancels but autocanceling is just a bit laggier.

What we're discussing now actually belongs in the metagame thread, but I'll say it here anyway.

Autocancelling is still a thing and from the right height can still be done, it's just more restrictive. Note the difference in landing a full hop Nair and a short hop Nair, one has lag, brief lag, but there it is. Zair has more lag than Nair on landing, it's just enough that a missed Zair can let Ganon in on us where previously we could immediately shield or hop backward

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Let's just challenge the Ganondorf boards to a Link vs Ganondorf tournament. Get some stats. :D

 

[Zelkam]

What we're discussing now actually belongs in the metagame thread, but I'll say it here anyway.

Autocancelling is still a thing and from the right height can still be done, it's just more restrictive. Note the difference in landing a full hop Nair and a short hop Nair, one has lag, brief lag, but there it is. Zair has more lag than Nair on landing, it's just enough that a missed Zair can let Ganon in on us where previously we could immediately shield or hop backward

Just watched my video frame by frame to see what the landing lag was for these moves and here's the results:
Zair - 9 frames of landing lag
SH Nair - 11 frames of landing lag
SH Bair - 6 frames of landing lag

So it seems that it is laggier than I thought. Especially considering zair in brawl only had 2 frames of landing lag. But it is still better than Nair by a bit.

 

[Officious]

While the name of the thread isn't exactly [MU] Link vs Cpt Falcon, I think I've got another Matchup for the [MU]dora:

http: //smashboards . com /threads/mu-mutiny-help-with-taking-out-the-captain-falcon.384444/

 

[Epok]

Huuuuge trouble with falco.
he combos us his jab is just amazing. He can edgeguard. And most importantly he has a ridiculously safe reflector.

It seems our reads are alot more dangerous.

some tips would be appreciated

I just played against a Falco last night. The best advice I can give you is be patient. Pay attention to his jab combo. If you shield it make sure it ends fully then punish.

At low percents you should be able to shield grab up throw to up tilt/up smash. If he is using reflector a lot, boomerang is you best projectile because you will only get hit by the wind box and not the boomerang itself.

Wait for him to commit to an approach before you throw a boomerang or bomb.

Try jumping back then projectile/zair for spacing, make use of jab attack as much as you can. Lots of Falcos approach with dash attack. Using that strategy can help punish that approach.

Hope this helps.

 

[Elessar]

While the name of the thread isn't exactly [MU] Link vs Cpt Falcon, I think I've got another Matchup for the [MU]dora:

http: //smashboards . com /threads/mu-mutiny-help-with-taking-out-the-captain-falcon.384444/

Updated. Also, might be a good idea to get a ganon MU thread going.

 

[FullMoon]

Hello, Link mains, we from the Greninja board are going to discuss the MU with Link so if you could give us any input: http://smashboards.com/threads/mast...a-man-mii-gunner-link-t-link-1-5-1-12.369356/

 

[Elessar]

Hello, Link mains, we from the Greninja board are going to discuss the MU with Link so if you could give us any input: http://smashboards.com/threads/mast...a-man-mii-gunner-link-t-link-1-5-1-12.369356/

I've just been there but looks like you guys haven't begun yet. I'll check again later if that's ok.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

I'm confused. Why are boards advocating having one master matchup thread for discussing all matchups? Why are we suddenly against dedicated A vs B threads?

 

[Epok]

I'm confused. Why are boards advocating having one master matchup thread for discussing all matchups? Why are we suddenly against dedicated A vs B threads?

It might be because it would be ultimately over 50 match up threads per character page. Seems like a lot.

 

[Elessar]

I'm confused. Why are boards advocating having one master matchup thread for discussing all matchups? Why are we suddenly against dedicated A vs B threads?

You mean our boards? Because we aren't against having dedicated threads. In fact, we still have them, hence the need for the Index.

 

[Lawz.]

You mean our boards? Because we aren't against having dedicated threads. In fact, we still have them, hence the need for the Index.

I think you should have a schedule or some kind of a vote for the next matchup we do. I also think you should be the one to start each individual matchup thread.

And it would be wise to let the character boards know that we are having a discussion so we can actually get an input from both sides.

 

[Elessar]

I think you should have a schedule or some kind of a vote for the next matchup we do. I also think you should be the one to start each individual matchup thread.

And it would be wise to let the character boards know that we are having a discussion so we can actually get an input from both sides.

Well, about the input from both sides that's why I indexed as well the MU thread on every other board. I could still invite them, but then again anybody can, no necessarily just me.

Also, why the vote and schedule? I mean, how would that improve or help our current system?

 

[Sorichuudo]

Hello to all of you Link mains.

The Megaman boards are now discussing the Link MU, if you can, please drop by to give your opinion.

http://smashboards.com/threads/zero...cussion-thread-link-you-got-the-thing.371407/

Thank you all in advance.

 

[DavemanCozy]

Hello Link players, the Fox boards finally got our own MU discussion thread up. We're discussing Link this week, along with Tink and Little Mac:
http://smashboards.com/threads/all-aircraft-report-fox-match-up-discussion-thread.393061/

We would appreciate any input you may have on this MU.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

hello Link boards, i don't know if anyone has posted it yet but Zeldas are ready to discuss our matchups over on the Zelda boards

http://smashboards.com/threads/a-li...-zelda-matchup-thread-discussion-link.384490/

also checking your OP you have a link to our old MU thread, this is the new one and we would greatly appreciate your input and update your OP with our new matchup thread. thanks much!

 

[Snackss]

Is there no info on the ROB matchup? Ones who use the gyro well are a major nuisance.

 

[Elessar]

Is there no info on the ROB matchup? Ones who use the gyro well are a major nuisance.

Read the OP and follow the Link to the ROB MU thread.

 

[Lawz.]

I'm surprised there's little to no info on the Link v Sheik matchup. I feel you guys should be discussing the hardest matchups pretty in depth, especially considering Sheik is a popular character.

 

[Elessar]

I'm surprised there's little to no info on the Link v Sheik matchup. I feel you guys should be discussing the hardest matchups pretty in depth, especially considering Sheik is a popular character.

We have a thread on it, but I think that it's general lack of Mu exp from regular posters. If you have any contribution to make feel more than free to post Lawz.

 

[wildvine47]

http://smashboards.com/threads/chimp-charts-the-diddy-kong-matchup-thread-link-week.376604/

We're discussing Link over at the Diddy boards! If you guys have the time, please come over and discuss with us.

 

[DavemanCozy]

Hello Link players, the Fox boards finally got our own MU discussion thread up. We're discussing Link this week, along with Tink and Little Mac:
http://smashboards.com/threads/all-aircraft-report-fox-match-up-discussion-thread.393061/

We would appreciate any input you may have on this MU.

I'll go ahead and re-post this. We've started re-discussing the Link MU over at the Fox boards
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Due to the 1.0.6 patch removing his jab lock (but not ours ) but buffing Spin Attack and his shield blocking our lasers.

Click here to join the discussion.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

I think we should have an MU thread for ,, and . The earlier the discussion, the better.
Quick notes on Ryu:

• Bombs go straight through all Hadoukens
• Hylian Shield blocks all Hadoukens
• Ryu has more hitlag on his attacks than the rest of the cast, so OoS options are very effective against him
• Tasumaki Senpuyaku (Hurricane Kick) has very high priority, so it may nullify some of Link's projectiles

 

[link7]

I think we should have an MU thread for ,, and . The earlier the discussion, the better.
Quick notes on Ryu:

• Bombs go straight through all Hadoukens
• Hylian Shield blocks all Hadoukens
• Ryu has more hitlag on his attacks than the rest of the cast, so OoS options are very effective against him
• Tasumaki Senpuyaku (Hurricane Kick) has very high priority, so it may nullify some of Link's projectiles

It's only been one day. It's best to wait.

 

[Ryu_Ken]

It's only been one day. It's best to wait.

Oooo, right. Almost forgot about the rule. Sorry for being a little rash.