Bleach

[Sapphire Dragon]

Why do people I still read this crap

Because of what it used to be, probably.

I don't see it as crap personally, but that's just me.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

It's because Kubo still has some selling points, I guess.

-Terywj

 

[Justblaze647]

It's because Kubo still has some selling points, I guess.

-Terywj

Yeah, I just wish Getsuga Tensho wasn't his only one though

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Getsuga Tensho stopped being a selling point after Ichigo used it over 9000 times in each fight, honestly.

-Terywj

 

[G U R U]

Ichigo needs a new technique for sure. What about Getsuga Tensho x10?

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[Terywj [태리]]

Interesting. Anything that even sounds remotely similar to Getsuga Tenshou will immediately shove Ichigo into my top 10 disliked Bleach characters. But he might not even need the help.

-Terywj

 

[Javon89]

Couldn't have Rukia or Renji or even the Vizards teach him some kido?

EDIT: I really think that Getsuga Tensho has lost the magic, I think Ichigo shouldn't have even won vs Grimmjow nor Ulquiorra

EDIT2: But oh well, he IS the main character >.>

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

EDIT2: But oh well, he IS the main character >.>

Classic anime rule. The main character is always the exception.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Classic anime rule. The main character is always the exception.

Good thing Lelouch lost a couple times in Code Geass.

Anyways, Javon brought up a good point. Why hasn't Ichigo tried to pick up some decent Kido spells?

Edit: He probably thinks Getsuga Tensho will work every time.

-Terywj

 

[Lovely]

Since he's a Substitute Shinigami, I don't think he can.

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But then again, after knowing more about his father, I think he might able to pick up on Kido.

 

[Justblaze647]

New Bleach is out.

I have one inquiry to pose...

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Why has Aizen not released his kyoka suigetsu yet? Why is he doing all of this other stuff with the hougyoku? Couldn't he just release his Shikai, and then it'd be over? I just think it's dumb because they made the main bad guy so strong that the writers are now bending over backwards trying to conceive a way for him to lose... but he's still getting stronger... Also, now that Urahara has come out, we've probably got another longtalk/flashback chapter in store

wtf tite kubo

 

[Terywj [태리]]

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Remember that Ichigo has yet to witness Aizen's Shikai release. As before, Ichigo would be able to act as the "eyes" of Isshin and Kisuke. Of course Gin is there too I know, but still.

-Terywj

 

[Javon89]

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With Ichigo their chances are higher cause with Aizen's abilities they'll be slashing themselves, and did Isshin already see his Shikai?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

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did Isshin already see his Shikai?

That's something we don't know, and I'm dying to find out.

-Terywj

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

On 267... The art is wonderful. Just beautiful. It's come so far from the original anime art, lol.

As far as the battle goes, I'm surprised Ulquiorra reacts to Ichigo's taunts (seeing how Ulquiorra usually was) but oh well. And lmao at the sand monster and the combo Chad and Renji pulled off. I'm looking forward to Rukia's battle the most though. /Rukiabias

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well we all know [color=#1c1c]it's Yammy who owns Rudabon anyways.[/color]

-Terywj

 

[WiyamMang]

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did Isshin already see his Shikai?

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Negative. Ichigo didn't see a faux Aizen all that time when Isshin intervened. In any case, it would be pointless for him to use it knowing that Ichigo'd just be there to point out that it's a decoy.

Urahara's here! About bloody time. >=(

Seriously though, how many of these people are going to come in to apparently save the day and be brushed aside by Aizen's long rants about being the puppet master?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

[color=#1c1c]Will Yoruichi and Tessai show up, though, is my current question.[/color]

-Terywj

 

[WiyamMang]

The strength continuity of the characters is something that always bothered me. There's nothing consistent about having one rank 10+ arrancar posing a threat to a captain and another captain easily dispatching the (current) highest ranking Espada.

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The same can be said about Aizen.

And the way that Ichigo deals with these battles have gotten old. It's not like in DBZ where they attained their next rank in power through meditation and training. Ichigo attains his newfound strength through sheer rage and a stroke of luck. It tends to happen when he's dying.

Will Yoruichi and Tessai show up, though, is my current question.

You bet your sweet a** they will. Wouldn't be surprised if Kubo brought back Kaien. You know: just for the surprise element.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The strength continuity of the characters is something that always bothered me. There's nothing consistent about having one rank 10+ arrancar posing a threat to a captain and another captain easily dispatching the (current) highest ranking Espada.

Well what matters is which captains you're speaking of. Shawlong (#11) didn't really cause Hitsugaya problems after the limit release. Before that, one could argue he was giving Hitsugaya a hard time, but still. Then compare Kyoraku dealing against Starrk and you have two completely different captains. Kyoraku said himself that in 100 years Hitsugaya might be stronger than him. Kyoraku is definitely stronger than Hitsugaya, so that can't really be compared.

However, if you take Hitsugaya as the only example you'd see a difference. Shawlong caused minor issues, while Harribel was just as good - arguably if not better - than Hitsugaya, who probably would've lost had he not pulled the basic attack.

I guess the Espada's prime abilities also have something to do with it, but I'm not going to bother going into that.

And the way that Ichigo deals with these battles have gotten old. It's not like in DBZ where they attained their next rank in power through meditation and training. Ichigo attains his newfound strength through sheer rage and a stroke of luck. It tends to happen when he's dying.

Yeah, but nobody likes Ichigo anymore anyways after he began spamming Getsuga Tensho and his Hollow mask.

You bet your sweet a** they will. Wouldn't be surprised if Kubo brought back Kaien. You know: just for the surprise element.

I think Jinta and Ururu should show up too.

Only kidding.

I was too tired to spoiler tag stuff, but I don't think anything crucial was given away.

-Terywj

 

[WiyamMang]

Mhmm. It's just the power level of a captain should be so overwhelming that it shouldn't be unreleased to take out some lowly arrancar. Hitsugaya's fame is one that I'll never understand being the punching bag of the Gotei. (In other words, I envy him).

I'll concede to the idea that certain abilities outweigh the abilities of others. Sort of a Rock-Paper-Scissors scenario. Most characters don't abide by this rule though. I find that the battle with

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Ulquiorra

was rather anticlimactic. How do you fight someone with intense speed and power? By dying and coming back to life.

Ichigo hasn't truly displayed any sort of tactical prowess since the invasion of Soul Society. He certainly has relied on the same stale moves over and over. Plus, his Bankai was supposed to grant him unparalleled speed, which we later find out is still pretty worthless.

Does anyone really appreciate this:
1) Enemy attempts his coup de grace
2) Attack is blocked
3) Extreme panning in onto everyone's eyes
4) Some really really lame sentence from out of nowhere
5) BOOM! A massive splash page of a character joining the fray

Oh, Kubo. You sure know how to be original. You only did it like seven time in the last ten chapters.

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New Bleach is out.

I have one inquiry to pose... Why has Aizen not released his kyoka suigetsu yet? Why is he doing all of this other stuff with the hougyoku? Couldn't he just release his Shikai, and then it'd be over? I just think it's dumb because they made the main bad guy so strong that the writers are now bending over backwards trying to conceive a way for him to lose... but he's still getting stronger... Also, now that Urahara has come out, we've probably got another longtalk/flashback chapter in store

It's a ritual of sorts. It's not like you're flashing him your breasts. I only suppose that the entire process would require that the enemy not avert their eyes and focus.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Mhmm. It's just the power level of a captain should be so overwhelming that it shouldn't be unreleased to take out some lowly arrancar. Hitsugaya's fame is one that I'll never understand being the punching bag of the Gotei. (In other words, I envy him).

Well, Shawlong was #11, meaning he was the strongest of the Numeros, but I do see your point.

I'll concede to the idea that certain abilities outweigh the abilities of others. Sort of a Rock-Paper-Scissors scenario. Most characters don't abide by this rule though. I find that the battle with

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Ulquiorra

was rather anticlimactic. How do you fight someone with intense speed and power? By dying and coming back to life.

You should find Sapphire Dragon's parody of it a few pages back. Good stuff.

Ichigo hasn't truly displayed any sort of tactical prowess since the invasion of Soul Society. He certainly has relied on the same stale moves over and over. Plus, his Bankai was supposed to grant him unparalleled speed, which we later find out is still pretty worthless.

To be more precise, as soon as he went into Bankai against Byakuya he stopped all progress. Afterwards it was the same ol' Getsuga Tensho over and over again. I had hoped during the Vaizard training he would gain some new light but nope, just some mask to dump on which only furthered during his match against Ulquiorra.

Does anyone really appreciate this:
1) Enemy attempts his coup de grace
2) Attack is blocked
3) Extreme panning in onto everyone's eyes
4) Some really really lame sentence from out of nowhere
5) BOOM! A massive splash page of a character joining the fray

Oh, Kubo. You sure know how to be original. You only did it like seven time in the last ten chapters.

I mean, only Wonderweiss, the Vaizards, Isshin, and Kisuke showed up right? No biggie.

-Terywj

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

You should find Sapphire Dragon's parody of it a few pages back. Good stuff.

-Terywj

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10024546#post10024546

Glad you liked it. ^^

 

[WiyamMang]

Kubo's been pretty predictable with the whole concept of Ichigo's fight against Aizen. It was already stated many times that Ichigo had no drive or motivation to fight Aizen without some personal vendetta against him. I had a hunch that somewhere along the way there'd be some melodramatic deus ex machina thrown in to make Ichigo berserk.

But this...

This is not a plot twist. This is changing the plot all together. Aizen comes off as a mastermind but he isn't the Oracle from the Matrix. You'd have to be pretty well-aware of all characters' traits, behaviors and actions to even get a year's worth of planned events to unfold.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=10024546#post10024546

Glad you liked it. ^^

Heh. That is good stuff.

 

[Lixivium]

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Negative. Ichigo didn't see a faux Aizen all that time when Isshin intervened. In any case, it would be pointless for him to use it knowing that Ichigo'd just be there to point out that it's a decoy.

Doesn't matter. If Kyoka Suigetsu is indeed "complete hypnosis" then Aizen should be able to make them not able to hear Ichigo. I presume that's what happened when Hitsugaya, Kyoraku, Soifon, etc. got hypnotized. Otherwise it means Ichigo stood there like a dumass and let Hitsugaya stab Hinamori.

Nice work Kubo, it's like everything that happens is a plothole.

 

[WiyamMang]

That's only if Aizen can perform all that before Ichigo pushes the guy out of the way. What's faster? Pulling out a sword and telling your target to gaze into it (which is demonstrated when he used it on Baraggan) or yelling out "POPS! LOOK AWAY, FOOL!"

I don't doubt that Aizen's had some influence on Isshin before but as of right now, it'd be pointless for Aizen to use his shikai.

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Especially since Ichigo is in close quarters to Aizen

And yes, Ichigo did stand there like a moron. Why? I don't know. Ichigo stopped making sense a long time ago.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Why? I don't know. Ichigo stopped making sense a long time ago.

I pointed this out earlier on in the thread.

I'm sorry, but the whole Hueco Mundo arc should have changed Ichigo's notion of "fair play." That crap with Uluquiorra (

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"I did that...while I was like...that? Take my arm and leg off, too! It's only fair!"

) was absolutely unrealistic and made me lose any sense of connectivity that I had with Ichigo as a character. A lot of earth-shattering things occurred during the course of the story; don't you think that Ichigo would change to accommodate these sorts of things? Like, you know, fighting for your life amidst a bunch of soulless creatures that are (barring unique circumstances) intrinsically evil and having to get down-and-dirty with them?

I suppose if you look at it from the perspective of Ichigo not wanting to lose his humanity, then certainly. But where was this conflict? That's what I would like to know. In fact, it's the same trap that most shounen anime and even most other animes fall in to: There's nothing substantial, nothing real to the evolution of a character. It's just...some fancy words, some nifty attacks, and bam! Instant change.


I know this was kind of ramble-y, but meh. At least Bleach suffers from mediocrity in this; don't even get me started on Naruto.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Terywj [태리]]

New Bleach is out. I expected as much from Urahara and all.

Next chapter will show how Aizen survived until somebody else shows up.

-Terywj

 

[WiyamMang]

Considering we still have Aizen to unveil his plan, the rest of the Bleach cast to show up, the fight with Yammi, the fight with Gin, Isshin's backstory, Uryu's father showing up, Uryu's father revealing his past, Isshin's shikai, Isshin's bankai, Urahara's bankai, Aizen's bankai, and Ichigo going super saiyan and tapping into his "fullest potential", I say that this isn't going to end anytime soon.

 

[Justblaze647]

(

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"I did that...while I was like...that? Take my arm and leg off, too! It's only fair!"

)

Smooth Criminal

I lmao'd at this... Also, I read the new Bleach... It seems like this anime has deteriorated into let's see who can trick who the best (which is kind of silly since Aizen supposedly has the power of complete hypnosis, although for some reason he flat out refuses to use it)... that is of course until getsuga tensho saves the day...

I also find it funny that the first, last, and only person to be defeated by that attack, save for hollows, was Abarai Renji in the Soul Society arc...

Sakurai should sit down with Tite Kubo and lecture him about stale moves... c wut eye ded thar???

HE IS ENTERTAINER

 

[Javon89]

Bleh, Kubo really should have shown any sign of a reasonable way for Ichigo to have grown, and plus I don't think that he should have a new level of power, what makes him much different from the other Vizards since they don't have Ressurecion and he presumably does. Why can't Shonen show that maybe the bad guy might win this time over the main character that may have a good plot twist, and have it stay that way for awhile, Goku died but he came back.

EDIT: Good chapter, and I wonder how Urahara would know that the reshi would explode since he only created the Hogyouku for one purpose?

 

[Lovely]

New Bleach is out. I expected as much from Urahara and all.

Next chapter will show how Aizen survived until somebody else shows up.

-Terywj

The question is, who else is there? Only one character hasn't shown yet,

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Yoruichi

, unless

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Yachiru

can show her broken side. ;p

 

[WiyamMang]

Hundred bucks says the following chapter will be as follows:

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Aizen: Hyogyoku grants my wishes, b*tch. I didnt wanna die. So it didn't let me.
Urahara: D=
*Aizen stabs Urahara*
*It was a decoy. Urahara appears behind Aizen*
*Urahara stabs Aizen*
*It was a decoy. Aizen appears behind Urahara*
*Aizen stabs Urahara*
Isshin: Maybe we should actually do something instead of taking him on one by one.
Ichigo: Nah. It's more pointless and tactically useless this way.

TUNE IN NEXT TIME FOR ANOTHER ISSUE OF BLEACH!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That sounds about right. Although the Aizen part is more like *Lets himself get stabbed*

-Terywj

 

[Sapphire Dragon]

I love the fact that I take Spanish. I knew murcielago meant bat before I even saw Ulq's release. But I knew that Ulq's release was a bat before now (spoiling people >>). But that doesn't matter.

Back on topic, lol @ Yammy and Ishida. Ishida seems like he's getting more and more uppity, despite using the same moves he's been using since Szayel. But hey, none of them have really gotten many new moves (I could be wrong, I only follow the anime) as of late, so I guess that comes as no surprise.

It amused me that Ulq just stood there and let Ichigo talk to Ishida for like 10 minutes. Lol.

And the Rukia battle is really interesting. I think I already know her game plan.

 

[choknater]

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haha wiyammang, it was close enough

today it looks like...

1 aizen survives kidou. has a new form that looks like silver surfer
2. pulls out kidou with his bare hands
3. urahara and isshin double team with silly tug of war move
4. yoruichi appears and attacks
5. aizen survives, obviously

i'm only even remotely interested because urahara and yoruichi are my favorite characters in the entire manga, besides rukia and kenpachi...

 

[SirroMinus1]

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Yuroichi Thighs

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[WiyamMang]

403 is out? Man, I'm so apathetic, I'll wait till people tell me that Aizen's released his bankai. Or if something pornographic pops up.

Don't read this if you don't enjoy my diatribes. I like poking fun at these things.

Let's just wind back the clock a bit and actually look at their current situation and why it isn't even remotely interesting or suspenseful

Aizen's defection from the Gotei was a good plot twist. Some say it was so good, it ruined the rest of the series because it was the very peak of the entire story arc. Sure, it seemed too elaborate for one man to accomplish such a feat but he did it a la Ozymandias-style. It was kind of like a genius move.

The guy's a masterful combatant and he's deemed invincible even without his shikai. We were hyped till now that he will be taken down eventually and someone (most likely Ichigo) will have to take up this task.

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Ichigo's powers are lame, sporadic and uncontrolled.

Every fight is interrupted by someone who was once completely irrelevant to the situation but suddenly has everything to do with what is going on.

Aizen stopped being tactical. Now he's just obnoxiously omniscient and hax.

The Hyogyoku has become deus ex machina times 9000. Even the explanations to what it does don't make sense.

Ichigo v Aizen is more like Ichigo&Isshin&Urahara&Gotei13 v Aizen. Aizen is still winning. -_- FAIL.

Bleach is going do what I do in the end: anti-climax.

 

[choknater]

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Yuroichi Thighs

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

i approve!

 

[SirroMinus1]

i approve!

Who wouldn't XD