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This right here, the bolded, that's what I mean by WIFOM, you are saying that It would something too stupid for Glyph to do as scum, but that's ultimately WIFOM, I could argue (as Maven tried to) that Glyph could be aware of that, and hence the reasoning goes back and forth. I mean THIS is the main reason people are not pressuring Glyph, he's basically crossing the line twice, and people are fine with it.
Okay, good to know. I voted for him as well, because he really did come off as scummy to me. Which is why I'm really going to try to pick apart people's posts today, and not go off vibes as much.
Yes of course it was another way of pressuring J's slot, doesn't mean I was pushing for a wagon, its Mafia, the entire point is pushing people for reads.Yes, it could be looked at this way too, or it could be looked at as a subtle attempt at applying more pressure to the J slot.
Try again? I don't need to; if "a perspective that ignores player's intents and thread context" equates to being mechanical, then you are throwing a presupposition into the question that obviously doesn't make Thug look great.
WIFOM means that an action can be looked at in one of two ways. Wine-In-Front-Of-Me. He could have done this because of this, but he might be smart enough to know that would happen and did this, and so on.
The thing is, I don't think Glyph walked into this thread thinking he was going to get away scott-free
This is what I mean by tone. Reads as an arrogant wiener. Regardless, I feel like the post you are referring to easily could have been a subtle attempt at misdirection.
This is just plain not true. If our reads are starkly different in that you are pushing slots that I feel are likely to be Town throughout the entire day phase, of course I'm going to be giving you a perplexed look. Having similar reads is actually a good thing because it allows me to push my agenda. I'm just curious, and it's not entirely relevant, what exactly are you basing your scum reads on? Is it just contradictions that people spout in thread, or are you actually trying to read into intent?
ScumGlyph is simply not capable of planning like this and ensuring his team's victory. No one in this thread is like that. This is probably the most contrived statement you've made all game.
I don't know what this is referring to.
This portion seems pretty salty, but I guess you kind of have to concede to excusing yourself with policy.
Did you just read 80 or so of my posts in the moment that you voted and unvoted me? Who is your biggest scumread? What's your biggest townread?
I'm very glad you are a confirmed townie because this would have caused a mislynch. It's a closed setup, so we can't assume there are two.
What are your reads. Explain your reasoning for targettng J. its not the newby buddy buddy thing, because as Maven pointed out, that doesn't makes sense, considering the point the game was.
I think his vote on me is very weak, Laundry apparently voted him for playing in the background and being on the sidelines which Laundry said wasn't good enough to gofor a push on him, its a solid reason, but I am not seeing the background bardull thing, I still haven't re-read.
Yeah. I said "both" meaning "all of them" I even thought someone might say that, but I don't care since I'm confirmed town lol. Though I just realized, with 15 people, there are probably more than 2, which might actually change the way I look at things a little.
1. My stance isn't WIFOM. Here's an example of WIFOM:
Of course you would, you're the one tunneling me this Day phase.
1. You basically are.
Even if you didn't think glyph was scum? I don't remember you updating you read all too much so I'm wondering why you'd said this.
Forgetting this post, are we?
Nice backpedal I guess, but it's not something I'm interested in harping on. I'll let you pivot for the time being.
Here's the final votal, because Ryker never got around to posting it:
Here's one from a little bit earlier, when Glyph's wagon was at its peak, before people started consolidating over to Maven:
And here's one from a bit earlier than that, right after Zaixl self-voted, when his wagon was at its peak.
Hmmm . . .
>J comes into this phase, votes me, says I'm his target for today, proceeds to question me like 6-7 posts in a row on topics that don't matter much.
What are you even doing, Bardull?
That's how J posts. I've been watching him (said early on that I suspect him) but he was just questioning you, and he always votes for someone when he wants to get their attention. This is J play. Not just J scum play, but also J town play. I'm not saying he's town, but this point you're bringing against him doesn't have any weight behind it. If I felt like he backpedaled in the slightest, I'd call him out on it myself. Reading through today, I did not feel like he was tunneling you at all, but rather getting information.
#HBC | J
Withdrawing your vote right before someone is hung to make sure you're not on the list of people who voted can be a very smart thing to do as Mafia, especially when it's obvious they're dead meat. Not that doing that is a suspicious act in and of itself, but I find it interesting.
Yes. This is about ensuring that you think twice before going at me again, although I'd have imagined you would have figured it out by now.
This slot is also a problem.
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What in the world answer is that supposed to mean? You can't be getting this bothered over one vote and a series of questions. If anything, this makes me want to push you even harder.
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Yeah, you're right. Or, are you? You could be wrong. or you could be right..
