Black Knight for Brawl (SPOILERS AHEAD)

[Pieman0920]

No, neither DS nor Ridley are rivals. They are enemies/villains/bad guys/whatever. Those hunters you see in Prime 3? Those guys were much closer to rivals than DS or Riddles are. (And for the sake of topicality, I will also mention that BK isn't Ike's rival, more so his arch-nemesis.) =/

 

[Ridley FTB!!!]

...help...me...pieman....has...sta....st...sta..bed.....me...back...groo.....

 

[Hong]

Hehe. I haven't posted on SmashBoards in sometime. o.o

It's good to see Ike plays completely different from the imagined moveset I made. I won't deny other characters have a better chance, but I also won't deny Black Knight is a possibility. It really depends on the roster as a whole.

 

[smashbot226]

I want BK in Brawl so Meta Knight has a fellow Knight to fight against.

 

[IllidR]

Hehe. I haven't posted on SmashBoards in sometime. o.o

It's good to see Ike plays completely different from the imagined moveset I made. I won't deny other characters have a better chance, but I also won't deny Black Knight is a possibility. It really depends on the roster as a whole.

Nice to have you back. And ya, Ike does play a lot different than I imagined but he still looks good. I'm still hoping for the Black Knight here.

 

[OniLink171]

Nice to have you back. And ya, Ike does play a lot different than I imagined but he still looks good. I'm still hoping for the Black Knight here.

YES! BLACK KNIGHT FOR BRAWL!

 

[Shuma]

Cowards, i alone defended the almighty Black Knight, you're not worthy of his Worship!1!!11lo!Lol!.

 

[IllidR]

Cowards, i alone defended the almighty Black Knight, you're not worthy of his Worship!1!!11lo!Lol!.

I'd be in here more often defending Black Knight if it wasn't for the piles of school work I've been recieving. I have always been and always will be a Black Knight supporter. =D

 

[Legolastom]

Hey Shuma WTF do you think I was doing the whole time? I was defending it way more than you!

 

[Shuma]

Hey Lego when did i say you didn't defend him?

 

[Legolastom]

" i alone defended the Black Knight"

Then.

 

[Shuma]

Meh, it was directed at Illdr and... the other guy.

 

[IllidR]

Meh, it was directed at Illdr and... the other guy.

Hey hey hey, I know I wasn't here in the heat of battle but it was due to other complications, all I know is that there was a basic Macaiah vs. Black Knight fight. I woul dhave been here showing the war colors if I could have.

 

[Shuma]

ok ok, The Black Knight's round table forgives you venerable IllidR of... Moria, yes.

 

[Legolastom]

"The Black Knights of the strangely dildo shaped table"

 

[Shuma]

Awesome!!!!!.

 

[IllidR]

Knights of the Black Table?

 

[raphtmarqui]

Knights of the Black Table?

Now thats a good name right there.

 

[Shuma]

Does this mean we have another Club in the forum?

 

[OniLink171]

I tried to defend the Black Knight..... but I don't know.... I guess I got tired of getting flamed by other posters.

I will vow to defend the Black Knight from now on as a member of the Knights of the Black Table!!

BLACK KNIGHT FOR BRAWL!

 

[Legolastom]

Well I guess we just set up another club, : P

I now tie an oath to defend the Black Knight in all the places I may venture or may my soul be bound to this chair for eternity.

^^^ Thats the vow we have to make bydaway.

 

[OniLink171]

Well I guess we just set up another club, : P

I now tie an oath to defend the Black Knight in all the places I may venture or may my soul be bound to this chair for eternity.

^^^ Thats the vow we have to make bydaway.

"I now tie an oath to defend the Black Knight in all the places I may venture or may my soul be bound to this chair for eternity."

There, done.

BLACK KNIGHT FOR BRAWL!!

 

[GenG]

It seems that of Ike's entrances is using warp powder (check video). Is that canon?

 

[Chidosengan]

It seems that of Ike's entrances is using warp powder (check video). Is that canon?

That's supposed to be Black Knight only.

 

[Deleted member]

"Look you *******, you've got no arms left!"

Man, I would pay for them to spout such lines (in Japanese of course) duing an Ike/Black knight fight in Subspace.

I won't swear my loyalty (since I'm fairly unconvinced he will be playable), but I definately want him in Brawl in some form!

 

[Roy-Kun]

I really don't understand what do people see in the Black Knight. Maybe him being too overrated is a reason of why I dislike him. And... stop reffering him as the "Black Knight", his identity has been shown, he's...

Spoiler

*coughZelgiuscough*.

I do admit he got his chances, but not as a Playable Character, possibly as an Assist Trophy, or a Boss for the Subspace Emissary mode (enemy for Ike), simply showing up these ideas made

Spoiler

Zelgius's

chances of being a Playable Character go down.

 

[Kirby knight]

I really don't understand what do people see in the Black Knight. Maybe him being too overrated is a reason of why I dislike him. And... stop reffering him as the "Black Knight", his identity has been shown, he's...

Spoiler

*coughZelgiuscough*.

I do admit he got his chances, but not as a Playable Character, possibly as an Assist Trophy, or a Boss for the Subspace Emissary mode (enemy for Ike), simply showing up these ideas made

Spoiler

Zelgius's

chances of being a Playable Character go down.

Show some consideration for spoilers, at least untill Radiant Dawn is released on Novemember 5th. I don't support the Black Knight, but I won't tolerate someone spoiling the game for someone else.

That's the main reason why people are using the name "Black Knight" are you that dimwitted not to see the obvious?

-Knight

 

[Roy-Kun]

Show some consideration for spoilers, at least untill Radiant Dawn is released on Novemember 5th. I don't support the Black Knight, but I won't tolerate someone spoiling the game for someone else.

That's the main reason why people are using the name "Black Knight" are you that dimwitted not to see the obvious?

-Knight

Ok, ok, I'll spoiler it. Though I don't like that name he's reffered to, it's as simple as that.

 

[Stryks]

Besides the fac hes wicked awesome, hes Ikes main nemesis, his ultimate rival, being Ike in, it would fit for him to be added, being on sakurais poll (I believe he is) not to mention he appears in radiant dawn, if I recall correctly no other villain has appeared in 2 games, and now BK is playable in RD, another status I think no villain has done, thus hes important to the series...

BK FTW!

 

[Saph66]

As much as I want the Black Knight in brawl, I think his chances got a bit lowered due to the fact that Ike in braw was really slow and powerful, cause thats how the black knight should be as well. But, even if this is true, Black Knight could still get in with roughly the same stats, because of course they are pretty much equal to each other, I wouldn't be surprised if they had same stats.

Black Knight for Brawl!

 

[Kirby knight]

Besides the fac hes wicked awesome, hes Ikes main nemesis, his ultimate rival, being Ike in, it would fit for him to be added, being on sakurais poll (I believe he is) not to mention he appears in radiant dawn, if I recall correctly no other villain has appeared in 2 games, and now BK is playable in RD, another status I think no villain has done, thus hes important to the series...

BK FTW!

That does not change the fact that he is not of central importance. He is not a lord (Main character(s)). The idea of a non-lord getting in over a lord just wouldn't make any sense. It's like Toad getting in SSB instead of Mario.

He would make a nice boss for Ike in the Subspace mode, but not so much as a playable character unless of course he is as important as Micaiah and Ike in Radiant Dawn; which he is not.

-Knight

 

[Stryks]

Tell me where it says lords only in brawl? no? lords ARE important, but adding an enemy who is not important to the series (with 2 appearances it makes BK an important character) and one who Ike didnt fought, its like adding (since there is now other franchise that comes to mind being 1st party) the black mage and sephiroth (seriously do not flame they wont be in but its just an example), ike needs some sort of villain, without villains the game where most character in smash come from wouldnt make sense, their an acent to their series and I believe Black knight will be in...

 

[raphtmarqui]

It's like Toad getting in SSB instead of Mario.

No. It would be like Toad getting in playable before Bowser(which ironically enough didn't happen). You have to remember that BK gains some priority for being a villain/rival, hes not just some random character.

He would make a nice boss for Ike in the Subspace mode, but not so much as a playable character unless of course he is as important as Micaiah and Ike in Radiant Dawn; which he is not.

Whether or not BK gets in over Micaiah has nothing to do with who's more important, it has to do with if FE10 will get any representation in Brawl (and im so far leaning towards no).

 

[Rarzy]

while black knight seems really cool, i just think ganondorf has already taken the role of big massive evil villain guy

 

[Zevox]

Besides the fac hes wicked awesome

Thats an opinion, not a fact.

hes Ikes main nemesis, his ultimate rival, being Ike in, it would fit for him to be added

Thats something that would recommend him for an antagonistic role in Subspace Emissary, not for being a playable character.

being on sakurais poll (I believe he is)

Yeah, he got exactly one mention there - the same as characters like Link's uncle, Soren, Magnus Gallant (from Ogre Battle 64), Sheeda, Dr. Wright, Professor Kawashima (from Brain Age), and many others who have no realistic chance at being in.

not to mention he appears in radiant dawn

Which helps him how?

if I recall correctly no other villain has appeared in 2 games

You recall incorrectly. The major villain of Radiant Dawn was also in Path of Radiance (won't name due to spoiler reasons), and the two major villains of Marth's story, Garnef the dark Priest and Medeus the Dark Dragon, were in the first and third games, and will soon be reappearing in Fire Emblem DS.

Spoiler

and now BK is playable in RD

Spoiler

First off, use spoiler tags on things like that. Anyway, thats only temporarily - hes closer to being a guest character than a true member of your army.

In addition, hes not even the only villain to ever have that status - at the very least Lyon of Sacred Stones did as well, and Jaffar of Blazing Sword also began as a fairly important villain (one of the Four Fangs).

thus hes important to the series...

Hes not even truly important within his own games, much less the series as a whole. Hes a secondary villain who provides a sub-plot for Ike during the first of their games and continues that plus playing a supporting role in the second. As far as the series goes, hes no more important than Garnef, and the only thing setting him apart from most secondary villains of the series is being in two games and the greater detail to his story.

Zevox

 

[Kirby knight]

Tell me where it says lords only in brawl? no? lords ARE important, but adding an enemy who is not important to the series (with 2 appearances it makes BK an important character) and one who Ike didnt fought, its like adding (since there is now other franchise that comes to mind being 1st party) the black mage and sephiroth (seriously do not flame they wont be in but its just an example), ike needs some sort of villain, without villains the game where most character in smash come from wouldnt make sense, their an acent to their series and I believe Black knight will be in...

I never said that lords will only be in Brawl, but it does seem more likely that they would take presidence over lesser characters (Bosses, unimportant units that join you, an example would be Mia the Swordmaster). I also never said the Black Knight wasn't important. I said he wasn't as important as some of the main lords.

I don't see why Ike can't have his villan as some sort of Subspace boss and leave open the Fire Emblem roaster for more important characters.

No. It would be like Toad getting in playable before Bowser(which ironically enough didn't happen). You have to remember that BK gains some priority for being a villain/rival, hes not just some random character.

I am aware of the Black Knight's importance; I'm only stressing that he is not that important as people are making him out to be. If he was the final boss and or Main antagontist thoughout PoR and RD I wouldn't have a problem with him being considered for a playable spot.



Whether or not BK gets in over Micaiah has nothing to do with who's more important, it has to do with if FE10 will get any representation in Brawl (and im so far leaning towards no).

I was providing an example of a boss who isn't important getting a spot over a more important character in the Fire Emblem franchise. I'm not talking about Micaiah, I'm talking about every single lord (main character) in the entirety of the Fire Emblem franchise.

-Knight

 

[OniLink171]

I never said that lords will only be in Brawl, but it does seem more likely that they would take presidence over lesser characters (Bosses, unimportant units that join you, an example would be Mia the Swordmaster). I also never said the Black Knight wasn't important. I said he wasn't as important as some of the main lords.

I don't see why Ike can't have his villan as some sort of Subspace boss and leave open the Fire Emblem roaster for more important characters.

I was providing an example of a boss who isn't important getting a spot over a more important character in the Fire Emblem franchise. I'm not talking about Micaiah, I'm talking about every single lord (main character) in the entirety of the Fire Emblem franchise.

-Knight

Ha Ha... roaster... sorry, couldn't resist.

Anywho, what about Ike being a stating character who unlocks Machaiah, who then unlocks BK? In my opinion it's marth vs. machaiah for the final spot, not BK.

BK and Ike are the main characters for PoR, and if RD gets representation, fine, BK's in that game too. but if RD doesn't get representaion, Nintendo might as well keep in Marth as filler.

Oh, and there's a reason why no other lords will get in besides Ike/Machaiah/Marth.
Nobody in America played most of them. except for FE7, but we all know what happens to less dominant lords *coughcough assisttrophies coughcough lyn coughcough*

 

[Zevox]

BK and Ike are the main characters for PoR

Correction: Ike is the main character of Path of Radiance. Ashnard is the main villain. The Black Knight is a sub-plot and supporting role character, subservient to Ashnard. The most important thing he does in the entire game is kill Greil, and the main effect of that is to give Ike a personal sub-plot of tragedy and revenge.

Nobody in America played most of them

Right, because whether or not they've been in America is an all-important factor . Sakurai is not going to ignore over half of the series just because its thus far been Japan-only. He said he would keep the number of Japan-only characters low, not eliminate them altogether.

Zevox

 

[y3nia659]

Elincia is far more important than Black Knight in both games, I think she should be playable before him.

 

[OniLink171]

Elincia is far more important than Black Knight in both games, I think she should be playable before him.

OK, you can argue importance for BK, ashnard Machaiah, etc.
don't even try for elincia.

I HATE elincia. she sucks. she can't fight. and, she spends most of the game as an "info" conversation. blah. no. elincia isn't even on the same level as black knight.

and she rides a pegasus knight. no mounted units; it would screw up the game. (not to mention pegasus knights can FLY, thus destroying the point of the entire freaking game.)