Bioware Mafia (ovah)

[CT Chia]

I really see it as a null tell more then anything else, the fact that he was a pretty effective player in FF4 makes me pretty sure he could pull off a stupid town charade.

My posts weren't all that great in FF4, but I did what I did best - pegged scum. And I never made a public case on Praxis because everyone thought he was town so if I tried to make a scum case (though I did allude to it), everyone would have thought I was scum. So I chose the easier route, and took things into my own hands

I'm not going to say I couldn't pull off a "stupid town charade" because I'm sure I could, I've been playing mafia here for well over a year now. I generally stay quiet-ish or not make the best posts until I either find a key scumtell to act on or the game starts to dwindle down in numbers.

The reason I'm voting Nix is because "omg gtfo chibo you don't have a vote down and a solid stance on anyone yet blaaaarg"

I'm also eagerly awaiting to see what happens with The Guide.

Now if you excuse me I'm going back to playing my Genesis
yeaaaaaaa
*cool shades*

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Better that the mafia be forced to take care of him by virtue of everyone knowing he's town and not lynching him, no?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You want us all to believe that Swords is town. And then let scum take care of him.

That's not how it works. No scum would want to off SUPER STUPID town, when they can off a strong player.

 

[Sir Bedevere]

@sir bedevere: Comment, who do you want lynched toDay and why?

I'll answer this after I've done my reread, I've been busy these pasts few day and I have another game that needs my attention.

 

[Soviet Coffee]

*narrows eyes at Sir Bedevere*

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You want us all to believe that Swords is town. And then let scum take care of him.

That's not how it works. No scum would want to off SUPER STUPID town, when they can off a strong player.

A good player that you can get lynched.

Vs. a stupid player that will never get lynched cause the fact that he's town is transparent.


In my expirience scum prefers to off people they can't get lynched, which means that an especially stupid townie that everyone knows is town is a major roadblock.


Combined with potential other confirmed or basically confirmed players, it can make lylo a nightmare for scum, and why would they go through that headache?



Of course this assumes that he doesn't disprove my theory with future actions.


Regardless, I'd prefer to have a chance at hitting scum even if the townie is useless.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Of course, this is IF I believed swords was stupid town. I'm usually not this closed minded, but I just can't sit here and think that it's possible for Swords to be this bad for so long. With practice comes greatness. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that Swords is an acception to the previous statment.

 

[Goomba!]

Glad to see the deadline extension as Swords owes us some explanation on his Praxis-case. Disappointed that he didn't try to answer the points raised against him but instead proceeds to attack expired-cheesecake instead. Still thinking he's the play toDay unless he elaborates; if he does I'll look @the Guide next.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

My posts weren't all that great in FF4, but I did what I did best - pegged scum. And I never made a public case on Praxis because everyone thought he was town so if I tried to make a scum case (though I did allude to it), everyone would have thought I was scum. So I chose the easier route, and took things into my own hands

You are lying! Overswarm told me you picked Praxis because he was the most town player. You picked me for the same reason. Never made a public case on scum? You didnt make a private one eiter - you didnt suspect praxis, OS before this game strarted already explained to me that you chose him because he was the most town seeming player. I think Ive caught you in a lie here and Overswarm can confirm it. OS please verify what you told me was true.

My only q is why would u lie about it? To cover up your real behavior as scum to make it seem like you are more town now? Possible, but that you said is a straight up lie u less OS was wrong.

Still think swords is thr play for the day but ill switch to you if this seeming lie isnt clarified.

FoS: Chibo

 

[eXpiRed_CheEezCaKe--]

A good player that you can get lynched.

Vs. a stupid player that will never get lynched cause the fact that he's town is transparent.


In my expirience scum prefers to off people they can't get lynched, which means that an especially stupid townie that everyone knows is town is a major roadblock.

But why wouldn't they leave him if he isn't a strong player? Maybe he won't get lynched but he won't help in the endgame. I mean who has a better chance of finding scum, a good player or a useless player? Based on that, who does it make more sense for scum to kill?

...How did this even come up?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

We're thick headed .

 

[mentosman8]

Goomba! (Tom/Gheb_01 hydra)-
eXpiRed_CheEezCaKe-- (Guus/Vrael hydra)-(1) Dr. Riddler
SwordsRBroken-(5) Goomba!, Edreesespieces, Mad Scummy, GorditoBoy69, Praxis
Dr. Riddler (Macman/Riddle hydra)-
The_Guide-
Soviet Coffee(AdumbroDeus/Shaya hydra)-
Edreesespieces-
Praxis-(1) SwordsRBroken
Overswarm-
ChiboSempai-(3) SovietCoffee, SirBedevere, Tandora
Nix2100- ChiboSempai
Sir Bedevere-
Mad Scummy (Swiss/X1-12 hydra)-
GorditoBoy69-(1) Overswarm
Tandora-

Not Voting: eXpiRed_CheEzCake--, The_Guide, Nix2100,
A deadline is set for September 10th, 2010 at 11:59PM CST.

September 6
Goomba!
Cheezcake
Soviet Coffee
EdreseesPieces
Praxis
Overswarm
Chibo
Nix2100
Sir Bedevere
Mad Scummy
GorditoBoy
Tandora

September 5
SwordsRBroken

September 4
Dr Riddler

Inactive
Guide(replacement in T-2 hours)

@below post, sure. With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

Also, time has expired on the grace period I gave Guide, awaiting Ronike having time to talk to EE to confirm he's still interested/confirm their replacement into the game.

 

[Mad Scummy]

@Mod: Could you add to each votecount the no. of players required for lynch/no. of alive players e.g D1 I beleive it is 8/15 players' votes required to lynch, although I've not actually seen this posted anywhere

 

[CT Chia]

You are lying! Overswarm told me you picked Praxis because he was the most town player. You picked me for the same reason. Never made a public case on scum? You didnt make a private one eiter - you didnt suspect praxis, OS before this game strarted already explained to me that you chose him because he was the most town seeming player. I think Ive caught you in a lie here and Overswarm can confirm it. OS please verify what you told me was true.

My only q is why would u lie about it? To cover up your real behavior as scum to make it seem like you are more town now? Possible, but that you said is a straight up lie u less OS was wrong.

Still think swords is thr play for the day but ill switch to you if this seeming lie isnt clarified.

FoS: Chibo

Overswarm is lying to you then if that's what he told you, or mistook what I said.

The first ! to me about Praxis was his pushing for a hammer candidate. It was Praxis' first mafia game ever and he was playing far too well imo, especially talking about hammer candidates and such. He had to have been talking to someone outside of the game about it sort of guiding him what to do, etc. No new player would play like he did. Then I killed him and he flipped scum. Then I had to figure out who the person he was communicating the most was. Let's see, Edrees = same area, same main, good friends with Praxis - you have a lot in common with Praxis and I knew you would spend the time with him to talk to him a lot about the game so that's why I then killed you.

 

[mentosman8]

The_Guide is officially replaced by RonEEke(Ronike/Evil Eye hydra)!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

OH GAWD ANOTHER HYDRA!!!!

Ummmm... I don't really get the little banter going on between Chibo and EP. Any of you two care to help me out?

 

[Tandora]

UNVOTE VOTE SWORDSRBROKEN

Swords, to clarify something from earlier. I never said I thought you were dumb town. I said I was worried when other people said they thought you were dumb town and voting for you. I think your reactions to my and other people's votes is scummy. Too much, NO YOU going on for my taste.

 

[ronEEke]

We're here, we support the swords lynch, and we don't understand the Hydra hate. More than that is pretty irrelevant at this point I think, the swords lynch is an excellent way to go, especially after his 2o9, 266, and his dubious breadcrumbing of HK47. Happy with the lynch, but I'm not going to lay down a vote yet so as to allow my other half some time to read up

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I'm likin ronEEke already

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Chibo - fair enough. That's believable enough. I just wanted to clarify that in case I did spot a lie....I thought there might be an explanation., but wanted to point it out incase it was a big slip. Overwarm can you still comment on it?

Gordito - Basically what's happening is that Chibo was SK in a previous mafia game, and someone was comparing his play this game to last. Chibo defended himself saying he acted different last game by bringing an example up of his play last game and I called him out because I thought he was lying (looked like a lie based on something the game mod told me) So Chibo just clarified. The game''s not released to D-games yet (it was in the BBR) because Overswarm wants to run it here probably.

 

[Overswarm]

Journal Entry, September 7th, 8:37 a.m.

Chibo told a story today... don't remember it being that way. Don't have AIM logs on this PC anymore since I changed jobs though.

Just waiting for this Day to end, need more information.

 

[Nix2100]

*blink*

Gordito - Basically what's happening is that Chibo was SK in a previous mafia game, and someone was comparing his play this game to last. Chibo defended himself saying he acted different last game by bringing an example up of his play last game and I called him out because I thought he was lying (looked like a lie based on something the game mod told me) So Chibo just clarified. The game''s not released to D-games yet (it was in the BBR) because Overswarm wants to run it here probably.

Journal Entry, September 7th, 8:37 a.m.

Chibo told a story today... don't remember it being that way. Don't have AIM logs on this PC anymore since I changed jobs though.

Just waiting for this Day to end, need more information.

Are you talking about the same thing? >_> Cause if Overswarm was running it and he is saying he doesn't even remember it that way.....Lynch all Liars?

On another note...I don't like that last line Overswarm, are you saying you don't care who gets lynched? No Lynch? With all thats happened lately you don't have any suspects on who is scum? What happened to your suspicions on Goomba?

On a Final Note =P Flu is going away, still a bit out of it but I should be up and running in another day or two.

 

[Praxis]

This is...interesting.

Chibo, my understanding of the situation is the same as Edrees/Overswarm's; you never voiced anything against me in the thread, and I seem to remember (I believe from what OS told me) that you killed me because I was being the most aggressive townie, and then after I flipped scum, you meta'd Edrees because he was a Peach main.

 

[Praxis]

Are you talking about the same thing? >_> Cause if Overswarm was running it and he is saying he doesn't even remember it that way.....Lynch all Liars?

I'm not quite sure that applies; the contradiction isn't the events, but what his motivation for it was.

Chibo is claiming that he (as SK) killed me because he suspected me as scum when no one else did on D1. He obviously did not actually post that in the thread. Edrees/Overswarm/my understanding was that he killed me because I was the "most townie" player, which fits the thread (the reaction to my scum flip was hilarious).

It's a lot harder to prove that as a lie as opposed to a misunderstanding, however.

 

[CT Chia]

I called you out on one thing in the thread which was the hammer candidates, that's it. I already explained why I didn't like you in the game, you were playing far too well for it being your first game. You were obviously getting guidance from someone.

I find this more or less unfair to discuss in the game because half of the players in this game can't read what we are referencing.

 

[CT Chia]

I also don't like how Edrees thinks he caught me in a lie about discussing a past game that is over and FoS's me over it.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

What don't you like about it? I agree with you that we shouldn't go into this more than we have at this point because most people here can't follow, but what I did was to call you out referencing past behavior in that game in order to justify your behavior in this game and how it is different and thus why you aren't scum. All I was doing was questioning the validity of that. So you don't like me being I pointed a finger of suspicion on you for what I believed to be a flat out lie?

If you saw someone possibly lying, I would hope you would point a finger of suspicion at them too.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

EBWOP: "So you don't like me because I pointed a finger".

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Liking RonEEke already. And meh, I don't mind hydras too much. Just way harder to get a read imo.

AOEWURFBAWEPQWE BBR games! Still... from the information given, I wouldn't say that Chibo is LYING. More of a misunderstanding. Reread the game in the BBR?

 

[Praxis]

I called you out on one thing in the thread which was the hammer candidates, that's it. I already explained why I didn't like you in the game, you were playing far too well for it being your first game. You were obviously getting guidance from someone.

Ironically, I really wasn't. I got Edrees and the other scum to OK my general plot/ideas, but I was writing my own posts, citing the terminology on my own based on reading other games and studying mafiascum wiki. You ended up getting lucky by associating me with Edrees (also, we're nowhere near the same region, it's like New York to Florida distance xD ), since we don't get to pick our scummates.

You explained in this thread that you killed me because you suspected I was scum due to it being my first game, then killed Edrees because you suspected him due to being a Peach main. Why were you hunting scum privately anyway? Mafia helps you kill town faster, and publicly catching scum makes you trusted town.

My memory of what I'd been told, namely, that you killed me because I was being the most aggressive townie, and then were surprised when I flipped and meta'd Edrees off of his main, just seems makes more sense to me. *shrug*


Also, agreed, RonEEke is to the point. xD

Sorry about the BBR game madness, Gordito. I highly recommend you sign up for the next game OS runs, though. =)

 

[Praxis]

This has probably been a completely irrelevant line of discussion, but still interesting. Oh well.

So...SwordsRBroken completely missed the old deadline yesterday, didn't he? >_<
It's hard to pressure a player who isn't responding.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Wanna know what the worst part is Praxis?

Swords was on Mario Kart mafia.

What does that tell ya?

 

[ronEEke]

BR game discussion needs to stop, seeing as how most of us can't verify said information anyways. There also is a bit too much ongoing game talk happening as well, not to say it isn't all worthwhile, but it is against the rule. Ongoing games don't exist, if you just want to note a player has posted elsewhere, point out they've posted elsewhere. Players can find the posts themselves. The specificity is unneccesary.

Speaking of vagueness, Swords ignoring games once he's found out is not anything uncommon, and is a decent scum tell.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

My fault RonEEke . But still, valid point is valid.

 

[Praxis]

Are you serious? V_V

Wow, Swords.

Goomba! (Tom/Gheb_01 hydra)-
eXpiRed_CheEezCaKe-- (Guus/Vrael hydra)-(1) Dr. Riddler
SwordsRBroken-(5) Goomba!, Edreesespieces, Mad Scummy, GorditoBoy69, Praxis
Dr. Riddler (Macman/Riddle hydra)-
The_Guide-
Soviet Coffee(AdumbroDeus/Shaya hydra)-
Edreesespieces-
Praxis-(1) SwordsRBroken
Overswarm-
ChiboSempai-(3) SovietCoffee, SirBedevere, Tandora
Nix2100- ChiboSempai
Sir Bedevere-
Mad Scummy (Swiss/X1-12 hydra)-
GorditoBoy69-(1) Overswarm
Tandora-

Not Voting: eXpiRed_CheEzCake--, The_Guide, Nix2100,
A deadline is set for September 10th, 2010 at 11:59PM CST.

September 6
Goomba!
Cheezcake
Soviet Coffee
EdreseesPieces
Praxis
Overswarm
Chibo
Nix2100
Sir Bedevere
Mad Scummy
GorditoBoy
Tandora

September 5
SwordsRBroken

September 4
Dr Riddler

Inactive
Guide(replacement in T-2 hours)

@below post, sure. With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

Also, time has expired on the grace period I gave Guide, awaiting Ronike having time to talk to EE to confirm he's still interested/confirm their replacement into the game.

@mod: Tandora never unvoted, and after realizing it, requested that her second vote for Chibo not be counted. Technically, I think she's still on SwordsRBroken, which puts him at L-2, correct?
Would it be possible to list the number of votes needed to lynch in your posts?


Confusing.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Praxis

Doesn't matter anyway. Tandora unvote voted Swords after the votecout anyway .

 

[Praxis]

...whupps.

@mod, n/m, my bad.

I'm not entirely sure what we should be focusing on, in absense of Swords, though. He looks like the play for the day, but I don't want to waste the rest of the time leading to the deadline by lynching too early, yet I'm not sure where to direct pressure.

I guess we can get RonEEke to talk a bit, so we can catch up on The_Guide's lack of contributions?

RonEEke- you said you were waiting for your other half? Are we speaking to Ronike or EE? Can you give any thoughts on players other than Swords so far, since your re-read is fresh?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Praxis has a point.

@RonEEke

I'd like to hear what you got from the reread. Especially pertaining to the recent Chibo madness.

 

[Mad Scummy]

^ S'all been mad useful

Cheez I missed your stance, smashboards 502 amirite?

What happened to Riddler?

@ OS ur wantin' the day g'wan but leanin' gordito. Get out of those shackles.

 

[Tandora]

I figure since we're on extension time, this is all cake at this point. Wouldn't mind to give RonEE some extra time to get settled though.

And I completely agree with we need to stop talking about other games. It is pretty pointless because of the reasons listed and depending on out of game meta is not good scum hunting tactics. I suggest everyone take the time to go over people's interactions this game and see if anything new pops out at them.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I forgot that Overswarm had his vote on me for some reason .

@Overswarm

Is there anything besides meta that you can pin on me?

 

[ronEEke]

Yes, EE is still reading up. As most of you know, he's pretty busy.

Obviously, this is Ronike posting, but don't expect us to be posting whose who later on. I can't speak for EE, but when I hydra, most if not all of my posts are both players ideas, simply posted in the certain posters style. Take for example Moronik, I spent the entire Hydra posting in Marshy's style and no one was any the wiser except when we messed up posting on the hydra account.

As for my reads, like I said, they are irrelevant at this point. All my reads were just notes on who to keep an eye on and what for, therefore posting them now when I at least [and I think most people] are dead set and content with a lynch just lets my suspects know I'm on to them and thus to be more careful, or vice verca.

At the very least I don't want to post reads until EE makes his read as well and we compare notes.

Once EE catches up, I doubt we will be telling you who posts, for the above stated reason, just so you know.

Also, I cant post on Hydra on my phone, so expect slightly less activity than usual in the posting department from me. Or if you see me posting in other places and not here thats why.