Bioware Mafia (ovah)

[Evil Eye]

Alright.

I didn't want to tip my hand but Edreeses's play has more holes in it than a Winnipeg roadway.

I've felt he was town on D1-2, but his play toDay has stunk to high ****ing heaven, and I would not at all be surprised if the reason for it was that the double-death of Cheez and jungle has left him backed into the corner.

He's been the shiftiest person about casting doubt on Tandora. Not blithely, obliviously brazen like Chibo, nor even Soviet Coffee's back-and-forth sputtering in an attempt to convince himself I can be scum, because I'm starting to think that adum is just always this arrogantly one-minded. Edrees, on the other hand, has spread his *** cheeks on a fencepost and played both sides while still doing his best to cast doubt.

In other words, keep a RonEEke, Tandora, or Gordito lynch on the table. After all, those are doors the mafia can't afford to close in endgame. Three clears? Nah, mafia won't let that slide. They CAN'T let that slide. The deck is stacked too heavily against them.

I said that there was mafia hiding in The People vs RonEEke. Edreeses's weaksauce leaning on me makes him a perfectly viable suspect. The way his activity and logic started to spiral into oblivion after Tandora cleared me smells like a dumpster full of Lithuanian sewage that's been out in the Sun for too long. I think he was counting on an easy mislynch, and was upheaved from his guarded demeanor when he didn't get it. Then with OS? Second verse, same as the first.

I like this lynch. I like it a lot.

Vote: Edrees

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Overswarm, it isn't idiocy. I see it as a contradiction in your story, in your claim. As if you were making it up and then had to backtrack on what you originally claimed.

Overswarm I don't see how it's like every anti town role I've been. That's ALL you've seen me do. The one game you'd seen me as town was the only other game people actually suspected me of being scum, because when I'm town I try to explore all possible angles and try to get out of a reaction out of as many people as possible. Guess that paints me as a big target, which I'm learning.

And can you explain how my activity spiraled at all? My activity has been the same throughout. It only dips on weekends and even Overswarm can confirm that as far as my activity goes.

RonEeke, I don't even understand why you want to lynch me. Because I appear to be covering all bases and continually cast doubt on Tandora? Look, I didn't even suggest lynching Tandora, Gordito or you (after Tandora cleared you) toDay. I just like to keep an open mind because I feel its' always the best choice of action to proceed with one ideal in mind, but also proceed knowing that what you thought to be true has a chance of not being right. This is just my philosophy in playing because I feel people get into too much trouble when they get their mind set in one direction. I guess I'm learning trying to be careful makes me look like scum somehow, which I still don't understand.

And I don't see how you can say my case on you was any shifty. Honestly, you tried to lynch Tandora instead of two people who ended up being scum. You are seriously going to blame me for that?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

EBWOP: Above, when I said can you explain how my activity spiralred above, I was talking to RonEEke, not Overswarm. My mistake.

 

[Evil Eye]

 

[Swiss]

He's a little gold man?

 

[Tandora]

He's a little gold man?

Lol, Swiss, you nub. <3

At, OS, I get a verdict of innocent or guilty. I guess it could catch independents, but I am not sure.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I'm not gonna be able to concentrate at all until later tonight, so I'll contribute to the investigation thingy.

TANDORA'S INVESTIGATIONS:

SC
EP
Chibo

OVERSWARM'S INVESTIGATIONS:

Nix. Why?

To me, this implies there is only one left. If there were two it would be much easier to attack. With only one left? He's forced to lurk in the shadows and pray he isn't investigated

Cuz that popped up as a HUGE light. If there's only one left, he'd be "forced to look in the shadows". What has Nix done since he replaced in? Exactly that. Sure, he's V/LA, but he's still a pain in the *** to play with.

Which reminds me...

@Nix, you back from your V/LA?

Oh, and my other two choices:

Gheb
MS

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

EBWOP

"forced to lURk in the shadows"

fix'd.

 

[Tandora]

Guys, the planning to investigate is all and good, but we really need to focus more on SCUMHUNTING and LYNCHING today. You know?

Honestly, relooking at the votes on Chibo, only Bedevere voted on Chibo. Otherwise it was nudges and Fos. I'm starting to second guess myself on Chibo. Even if he is town, it's getting near end game, do we want to risk having him as a town's influence?

Ron, I want you to give me an honest answer here. Are you voting EP out of tunneling or do you think you really have a good case on her?

 

[CT Chia]

I don't know why you would be worried about having me in end game

 

[Evil Eye]

Ron, I want you to give me an honest answer here. Are you voting EP out of tunneling

Why would you even ask me that? First of all -- no. Obviously. Ed wasn't even one of the two people I've FOS'd today. Second of all, who the hell would say yes to that, even if they were?

Did you read what I said? I haven't gone into the kind of detail I normally do for a lynch push because I haven't had the time yet, but I wanted to go on the record early. But the lack of verbosity doesn't have any relevance to the validity of what I've said.

 

[Evil Eye]

I see your point about Chibo, though. I haven't had a chance to reread this wooly mammoth recently, but that rings a bell, and does strike me as odd.

Chibo's play has just been so ****ed spastic, though. I'd rather save him for an investigation.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Can you explain why you wouldn't be ok with investigating me?

One more thing to OS:

October 3rd, 6:12 p.m.



Not a fan of your play. Reminds me of scum Gordito.

What do you hope to answer with this question? What will your response be if he says something?

You've either ignored things I've done or don't think they are "good" town moves.

What, exactly, is your point? That I should be lynched because I haven't been a "good townie"?

Overswarm says Gordito's play is bad and reminds him of scum gordito. Later, I say:

I must say though, Gordito's case against OS seems...a bit forced, then he retracts it pretty quick. Trying to make sense of that.

OS's reaction:

I don't like it either, but seriously Edrees. You reek. This is exactly like every anti-town role I've ever seen you in, and I've watched all your games. Gordito has been cleared by Tandora. Godfather already flipped. Gordito is town unless Tandora isn't.

Yeah, how fair. I'm chastized for putting Gordito in question, when Overswarm just did the same thing by saying his play. Overswarm, why does me saying that about Gordito make me scum but it doens't do the same for you?

@Everyone can people chime in more? Not much activity going on all of a sudden. Lynch deadline is close, even if the play is going to be me, I'd like as many peoples opinions about me, Overswarm, and the events giong on right now in general - as much possible before deadline hits.

 

[Tandora]

Why would you even ask me that? First of all -- no. Obviously. Ed wasn't even one of the two people I've FOS'd today. Second of all, who the hell would say yes to that, even if they were?

Did you read what I said? I haven't gone into the kind of detail I normally do for a lynch push because I haven't had the time yet, but I wanted to go on the record early. But the lack of verbosity doesn't have any relevance to the validity of what I've said.

I only ask because I know you're cleared and I want you're a good player. However, that doesn't clear you from making tunneled choices. =3

The more I think about it, I'd rather Lynch Chibo today than investigate him. He's dead weight either way. And his one liner of "I don't know why you wouldn't want me for end game" just sat wrong with me. It felt like he's too stupid to realize his lurking is anti-town.

It would be much more productive to lynch Chibo and investigate EP instead of the other way around. EP is vocal so we'll actually get more information from investigating her in case there is another partner around.

UNVOTE VOTE CHIBO

 

[Overswarm]

Journal Entry, October 5th, 8:41 a.m.

Edrees is acting panicky.

Can you explain why you wouldn't be ok with investigating me?

Investigative abilities does not = guaranteed survival.

One more thing to OS:



Overswarm says Gordito's play is bad and reminds him of scum gordito. Later, I say:



OS's reaction:



Yeah, how fair. I'm chastized for putting Gordito in question, when Overswarm just did the same thing by saying his play. Overswarm, why does me saying that about Gordito make me scum but it doens't do the same for you?

Fair?

I was defending myself and telling Gordito his play reminded me of being scum. I followed it up by asking him why he was saying those things.

Edrees? He calling Gordito's action into suspicion. You just made a post that was negative about Gordito and then trailed off, letting others come to their own conclusions.



I'm not sure even why Edrees is putting his sights on me. Did he miss the fact where I said I was investigating tonight and would be fine with my lynch being after I've investigated? I could be the worst player in the game but that still doens't make me a favorable lynch, strategically, toDay.

@mod request votecount



A lynch of Chibo or Edrees would be fine, but I feel Edrees is a better target.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's directed to everyone, because all this "derp maybe we'll lynch her/maybe some other stupid ****" is starting to make me uncomfortable.

Well in that case you're wrong because:

People need to get off this notion that Tando is scum through some kind of absurd machinations.

I don't know anybody in this game, who believes Tandy to be scum - at least not for that reason. I just think the logic she uses to clear herself is bad and a lot less rational than yours. Who does believe her to be scum though?

Can you explain why you wouldn't be ok with investigating me?

Because you're scum.

 

[CT Chia]

And his one liner of "I don't know why you wouldn't want me for end game" just sat wrong with me.

I say that because of my track record of lylo success here...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yeah, we're cool with you not doing **** at all game, for a self-proclaimed status you wish you had.

 

[CT Chia]

Inactivity happens to tons of players in all games, it's not necessarily a scum tell is also what I'm trying to get at.

 

[Nix2100]

Released from the hospital and heading home as I post, will work on catching up and posting tonight or tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Okay. @EP, I can hold off an OS lynch, just to see what happens toMorrow. It's risky to me, but... I'm curious.

And about you, now that Oddworld ended, I can see a VERY likely possibility of you being scum: Remember the tailor? Yea, what if your possible scum buddy's the tailor, and you're trying to bait your investigation? I don't like it. Not a bit.

 

[Evil Eye]

I don't know anybody in this game, who believes Tandy to be scum - at least not for that reason. I just think the logic she uses to clear herself is bad and a lot less rational than yours. Who does believe her to be scum though?

You're playing dumb, or you're being uncharacteristically dumb.

People are trying to justify the notion of Tandora POSSIBLY being scum. I didn't say anyone is outright CALLING her scum. That would be a death sentence for any player but Chibo, right now. However, there are players that are trying to pretend that it's a lot more likely than it actually is if you read the **** game and look at Tandora's actions. This means that her lynch is a more likely possibility than it should be.

I don't like this, and so I told people to use their ****ing brains and outlined why her being scum is least likely of anyone else in the game based on her actions, mechanics of the game, and any other reason.

I'm trying to drive home how stupid this is because I want to win this game.

 

[Tandora]

Inactivity happens to tons of players in all games, it's not necessarily a scum tell is also what I'm trying to get at.

I am not saying it's a scum tell, but I am saying you are either scum or completely useless. =/

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Okay Overswarm, fair enough, we'll see what your investigation yields Tomorrow. I did see that part about you being fine after you get to use your ability. Maybe that will answer the inconsistencies I keep highlighting, so fair enough. The reason I was still against it is because I feel like you are using this claim, which doesn't seem legit to me, to hide and create a safe haven for yourself the rest of the game, I didn't want to let scum hide behind a false claim the way Bardull did in FF4 mafia - he made the same claim of having a one time investigation ability, so you have to understand how I see parallels. Toss in that your story didn't add up and I still don't really believe you, but for the amount you can help town I'm willing to give the investigation thing a shot if I'm wrong, so we'll see how your ability is handled Tonight.

Unvote

Okay. @EP, I can hold off an OS lynch, just to see what happens toMorrow. It's risky to me, but... I'm curious.

And about you, now that Oddworld ended, I can see a VERY likely possibility of you being scum: Remember the tailor? Yea, what if your possible scum buddy's the tailor, and you're trying to bait your investigation? I don't like it. Not a bit.

Well if you choose not to trust the results and decide to lynch /vote me because you think the investigation is tainted that's up to you, but I suggested it to avoid a mislynch, I'm not trying to bait anything.

@Mad Scummy who's the play for the day? Deadline is approaching and once again you seem to be starting to vanish a bit away when nobody's calling for you.

@Soviet Coffee - you asked me for my thoughts and reads on everyone. What are your thoughts on it, I assume you asked me to write them up for a reason but I never saw you comment on them. Last few posts you had dealt with not wanting to clear Chibo and clearing up your stance on the sane-insane cop thing. Haven't seen your clear stance on who to lycnhf for toDay in awhile. So, deadline's in 1-2 days, who's the play?

 

[CT Chia]

I'm reading more into Overswarm and I completely don't buy him.

So let me get this straight... he's a one time cop? Isn't Tandora also a cop? The two don't make sense together (unless one didn't have guaranteed sanity maybe?). Fact of the matter is, OS is acting so bold and using his claim to help keep him alive when otherwise there is no reason to.

Hell, even if you think I'm lying, if I'm town that means mafia will kill me and waste a NKill. Not to mention the possibility of a passive action.

This is such a bold response that I don't see a townie saying.

I have an ability.

It's going to determine alignment.

What does it do? How does it have to do with me? What about me dying?

Who cares?

If someone is claimed and trying to help town there is no reason why they wouldn't be open to giving details on things.

Chibo should probably read the thread and learn of town's plans. I'm not the play toDay; I'm the plan tomorrow, at earliest. There's no reason otherwise. We've gone over this like 10 times now. Play the game and actually read rather than being a waste of space.

This sounds incredibly scummy, especially instilling confidence that he is not dying based on his claim.

 

[Overswarm]

Journal Entry, October 5th, 11:40 p.m.

*yawn*

Chibo continues to hound me. I continue to wonder about him. Even as scum, it's a stupid play.

How many scum do you think are left? I already stated I'd be fine getting lynched tomorrow if that's what town wanted to do.

Town has nothing to gain by lynching me early; if scum was able to win this game being 2 men down with 10 members remaining solely by town mislynching once at that point... I'd be surprised to hear it.

If someone is claimed and trying to help town there is no reason why they wouldn't be open to giving details on things.

I've come to the conclusion that, scum or town, Chibo is one of the least logical players I've ever met. He's a walking liability, imo.

 

[CT Chia]

Really not responding well to pressure imo

 

[Evil Eye]

I swear it's like Chibo is trolling us.

Chibo can you do something useful and stop hounding our PRs. OS might be scum, but he's not getting lynched today. How you can't see the retardery in the courses of action you've been pushing of late is nothing short of astounding. I'm forced to assume you just aren't paying attention, because you at least occasionally made sense in the other games I've played with you.

And I haven't been saying your play is bad because you've been inactive. Inactivity is one branch on a big oak tree. The badness is not a branch. The badness is the wood. You are a tree made of bad.

I'd rather lynch Chibo tomorrow if investigations don't pan out to leads, though. He's a good backup lynch if we don't find anything else toDay, though, that's for sure.

 

[Evil Eye]

EBWOP: But we might need to lynch OS tomorrow to verify information. Uuuugh.

@All: What do you think of vig/SK guidance?

 

[Overswarm]

Journal Entry, October 6th, 12:00 a.m.

EBWOP: But we might need to lynch OS tomorrow to verify information. Uuuugh.

@All: What do you think of vig/SK guidance?

*slowly looks at Chibo*

If we still have a vig (and not a one-shot vig), town is basically in the clear.

Anyone on the list of 6 I wrote earlier is a good vig subject. Late game, Tandora would be a good subject (assuming you're going into Lylo) if the atmosphere was right.

 

[CT Chia]

I just really don't feel safe about OS, and a one shot cop role makes no sense not to mention

 

[Overswarm]

Journal Entry, October 6th, 12:11

I just really don't feel safe about OS, and a one shot cop role makes no sense not to mention

I get it. I'm an imposing figure. I daresay my role makes plenty of sense, especially since I didn't say I was a cop. I have the ability to determine alignment. There is a difference.

I wonder if Chibo has read the thread?

I'm inclined to believe either Edrees or Chibo is the remaining scum, but I also get a nagging feeling about a certain coffee and mad scummy that have been routinely inactive.

 

[CT Chia]

i actually think i know what OS's role is, however we already discussed the possibility of it being a scum role earlier iirc

 

[Soviet Coffee]

So both of my scum reads are the potential lynches? I'm cool with that.


Fine with either chibo or Edrees getting lynched.



Feeling more comfortable with RonEEke after his back-off even though I disagree he could've probably pushed the case through pure force of personality and the fact that this slot has generally been under some suspicion. Though I disagree with him classifying what I consider being cautious in regards to cop's reads as being arrogantly one-minded (read the just completed oddworld mafia for a perfect example), who's right or why they're right is irrelevant at the moment, all that matters is what's right, anything else can be saved for post-game.

@Soviet Coffee - you asked me for my thoughts and reads on everyone. What are your thoughts on it, I assume you asked me to write them up for a reason but I never saw you comment on them. Last few posts you had dealt with not wanting to clear Chibo and clearing up your stance on the sane-insane cop thing. Haven't seen your clear stance on who to lycnhf for toDay in awhile. So, deadline's in 1-2 days, who's the play?

Actually, I didn't have a follow-up question in mind, I wanted stances that I and the rest of town could analyze to help with reading your play.



You or chibo, exactly the people who I want to be the play of the day.

 

[Mad Scummy]

K. X1's contribution was something along the lines of "I have no idea what I'm doing in this game".

Gone back to a one man Hydra with Swissai boy doin' the legwork this time. I am now assuming I can post w/e I like and that X1 can post and shred me if he likes. Skimmed bits 'cuz it's early morning (skimmin the whole game amirite?).

Chibo is just totally useless, he made a whopper of a town slip D1 and if really were as bad as y'all say he is - he ain't scum. It's a WASTE of an investigative role which could be used elsewhere. Imo. [I take no responsibility for this if he flips scum :|] Useless doesn't equal scum, and we either lynch him toDay or never. Simple, ain't lynching this guy later 'cuz "omg he b bad playaaar we lynch him win in lylo!"

I still don't like OS, but agreed we can slip slap him away 'till a later date. I don't like how I seem to have opposite reads to most people here. I quite like EP, and I [don't think he's scum] Chibo. EP considers pretty much every possible outcome (pro town) and I fail to see how Ron sayng "omg he's trying to cast doubt on Tan's claim" is a scum tell. 'Course Ron is gonna back Tan up. HE'S CLEARED FORM HER. Survival play or what, ffs? I fail to see how EP is scum. So someone make a clear, concise case or it just ain't happening.

Okay. @EP, I can hold off an OS lynch, just to see what happens toMorrow. It's risky to me, but... I'm curious.

And about you, now that Oddworld ended, I can see a VERY likely possibility of you being scum: Remember the tailor? Yea, what if your possible scum buddy's the tailor, and you're trying to bait your investigation? I don't like it. Not a bit.

In all fairness that's an incredibly rare role, I don't think any of the scum team (expect maybe Mayling) had seen it before. It's pretty much safe to say that any inaccuracies come from the cop or the person being investigated.


OS Investigate: Ron
Tan Investigate: Chibo/EP

I have no sway as to the lynch toDay. Gonna get me some special K and MAKE A DECISION. I reserve the right to change my cop suspects if people think that looks scummy I think of someone likely to flip guilty.

 

[Evil Eye]

Ugh please don't waste an investigation on someone that was already investigated. OS I know you're better than that.

'Course Ron is gonna back Tan up. HE'S CLEARED FORM HER. Survival play or what, ffs?

How about the option where I'm town, thus making her either unrecruited sane cop or an unlikely-target recruited cop that is now mafia, and then went on to actually read the **** game for tells and saw that her play lines up a hundred percent?

There's a difference between casting doubt and considering the angles.

**** it I don't have time to explain semantics right now it's 6:30 in the **** morning

 

[Swiss]

Jesus, calm down. Overreacting much?

Just 'cuz a cop tells you that you're town (and say you are), don't make the cop claim true. S'all I said. All townEEke knows is that the cop isn't paranoid.

I'm not even saying I don't believe/semi kinda trust Tan. Called not jumping the gun.

Only semi non ******** point you raise is that you were already investigate (managed to forget that - wanted my Special K).

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're playing dumb, or you're being uncharacteristically dumb.

People are trying to justify the notion of Tandora POSSIBLY being scum. I didn't say anyone is outright CALLING her scum.

It has nothing to do with being dumb at all - it's a case of me trying to avoid miscommunication. If you read again what I've quoted you should see that there was no way for me [or anybody else] to know whether you were only referring to the possibility of her being scum or whether you just misunderstood the whole debate and thought people actually do think she's scum.

You call it dumb but had I not asked specifically about it I couldn't have known.

 

[Overswarm]

Journal Entry, October 6th, 8:31 a.m.

Swiss asked me to investigate someone that was cleared by a cop investigation.

WTF? Why would I not just investigate the cop if I was going to do that?


This is agonizingly simple.

We have a list of about 5 players that are, more or less, unknown.

The OTHER players in the game can and will be confirmed by future actions.

If tandora = scum

She obviously won't be NKilled. Unless there's a SK, which will be like "****in' easy target" and do our work for us.

This means we have a claimed cop living for multiple days. HMMMMMMMM.

Can scum use this as wifom? No. The math doesn't work out. We end up having enough cleared people to where Tandora can't possibly be scum.

If Tandora = town

Scum will NKill her, clearing Roneeke and GorditoBoy completely.

It is entirely possible that Tandora is scum with a cop safe claim and there is no actual cop in this game. I have not forgotten this. I do know, however, that if she did that that she jumped the gun and mathematically that won't work out for her.

Vig? Kill Tandora right before lylo. We will then have a game that is already won with no wifom. We probably won't get to lylo at all.


tl;dr

anyone suggesting we investigate anyone cleared by Tandora = not paying attention and/or scum

anyone suggesting we kill Tandora = not paying attention and/or scum

anyone suggesting we investigate Tandora = not paying attention to the ramifications of me investigating the #1 scum NKill pick of the day, them dying, and me getting no results, resulting in me getting lynched, and then we have 0 investigations which would be duuuuuuuuumb


The plays toDay, by process of elimination:

EPieces
Chibo
Swiss
Adumb
Gheb
Nix

For srs.

Now that I think about it, we should have ended the day immediately after Nix went to the hospital so we could see if there was no NKill, haha


The play toDay is probably gonna be Edrees or Chibo. Edrees is smelling exactly like he does in an anti-town role, and he has been constantly playing it uber safe. That's fine early game, but when it gets to mid-game and you're still doing it, you're playing survival mode instead of a team game. Survival mode = no good.


The worst case scenario is Tandora and RonEEke are scum. (no indie)

With 10 people left?

That'll lead to 3 Day/Night phases assuming no Vig activity (2 lynch / 3 NKill, one day being a "no lynch" to put it at 5 players remaining.).

That'll leave Tandora, RonEEke, and 3 others. That's a long way away, and it'll be easy to spot. Everything else is wifom-free if we just act logically.

 

[Tandora]

Swiss, don't use Oddworld as an example. From my casual read of it (with my brother and sister playing in it I had to peek), it has very odd rules set. Also, Oddworld didn't have a Godfather while this game did. You cannot base mechanics on another game that was both odd in rules and run by a different mod.

And if anyone is going to be reinvestigated, I'd do Gordito boy first since he was my N1 investigation. However, I'd rather get new reads.