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Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

Asdioh

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Don't forget that X1 claimed after Aposl claimed (right?)
on top of that, he gave info on living players, not dead ones. Either he's a pro at fakeclaiming, or that was his real claim. I'm pretty sure it was a real claim.

And PL, if you're really so suspicious of me, and if we lynch RR and the game continues, GLG can investigate 12 (me) toNight, so we can see the inevitable Innocent result. However, if the game does continue, either me or GLG is going to die anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
 

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Asdioh I won't be comfortable trusting any results on the night of a bingo.
 

Pink Lemonade

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My (July's) thoughts on who should be lynched toDay are narrowed down to Red Ryu and Asdioh.

KevinM lacked strong connections so there isn't much to go off of with him, J/Zen and TDW, but Red Ryu for the following reasons from my #3144:

Red Ryu: Putting the cop clears aside, based completely on his actions and KevinM's lack of activity I feel like Red Ryu is the scummiest player still. J/TDW were both very active and yet KevinM provided very little input on their plays, hung back and seemed apathetic about their lynches. But he seemed apathetic about any lynch, and one thing I saw in another game with him is that he usually pressures newbies and has no problem lynching them to keep them out of LYLO. However, he didn't do that really in this game, and (theory) I feel like that could have been to keep them for easy lynches late in the game. Furthermore, with two active scummates he could afford to be inactive and take weak stances, he gained very little pressure from it until toDay. Clear aside, I'm willing to take the shot that Red Ryu is godfather.

I'm willing to compromise with Ran on Asdioh, not so much for the reasons that Ran provided but rather because we still don't have a clear on him. However, I'm much more inclined to believe Red Ryu is scum because of his genuinely scummy behavior compared to Asdioh who is suspicious by game mechanics/process of elimination. I think a Red Ryu lynch toDay and if the game is still going then an Asdioh investigation toNight and we go from there.
 

X1-12

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ran you are seriously ****ed up if you legit think i could be scum. I pushed glyph when he was caught in a lie, and i have a connection to J (i pushed his lynch)

@mod: yes

asdioh is town.

:phone:
 

Seikend

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Eh, I have a strong gut read on PL, and the hydra logs looked legit.

I'm cool ending the day with a RR lynch. Don't think he'll be producing anything against Asdioh or X1.
 

Pink Lemonade

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ran you are seriously ****ed up if you legit think i could be scum. I pushed glyph when he was caught in a lie, and i have a connection to J (i pushed his lynch)

@mod: yes

asdioh is town.

:phone:
Hmmm. I just found it odd no one else did. Sorry if I'm wrong, but I'm looking at all angles. I'm not willing to lynch you immediatly. I'm good with RR though.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I stopped constesting PL because hydras being able to post convos is pretty dumb.

X1 you have no basis to call Asdioh cleared when you haven't searched him.

I'm only ok being the lynch if people think we don't have double mafia or mafia and an indy.

:phone:
 

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RR it'll be way easier if you show us what ISN'T townie. You pushing the work off on X1 is not helping your case, it just make it look like you're trying to find a scapegoat.
 

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its obvious to anyone who's read the thread. Its also obvious that me, Glyph and PL are town. Seriously unless anyone can disprove that then we are just lynching those two
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Post like that are not coming off as townie to me. If you want a lynch and think that I'm a godfather or something else just lynch me then, I will not self vote.

:phone:
 

Seikend

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Yeah, no :/.

You still haven't presented a case for why anyone is scum, and you're only willing to be lynched if people don't think this is MYLO. You haven't presented a reason for why it might be.

I'm very happy to hammer at any point.


Red Ryu, if you're town toMorrow is most likely MYLO. Be Pro-town. Explain your scumpicks properly, thanks.
 

Seikend

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So?

If this isn't Mylo and you produce a strong case against someone, we have a good chance of hitting scum toMorrow, right?

Play for the team and all that.
 

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Yeah RR you know if you're faction wins, you win even if you're dead.

Or you would if you were town.
 

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Notes: X1-12 replaces his own hydra!

VOTE COUNT!

[3] Red Ryu - X1-12 / Glyphmoney / Asdioh
[1] Asdioh - Red Ryu

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] Seikend
[0] Glyphmoney
[0] X1-12

[2] Not Voting: Pink Lemonade / Seikend

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!
Deadline set for Sunday, May 15th, Midnight GMT.
 

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RR, are you or are you not producing a case?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Look at this day for X1, honestly. Asdioh pointing out the claim order helps as well with the additional fact every single person he looked at is still alive, that is really convenient and something that baffles me. Aposl dies before him? That doesn't make sense from a scum standpoint, what does Aposl do that is worse than X1? He confirms names but X1 gets innocent or guilty off of numbers, that is far worse in this situation. He summits a quick lynch right away without anyone saying a word, he immediately says lynch me without thinking about all of his results, Asdioh is unconfirmed and he checked everyone, why is he so sure I'm scum with the one unconfirmed left? He doesn't second guess or ask questions at this point, that's not how a townie plays.

~

Based on a reread on Asdioh, I retract my stance on him as scum or at least being aligned with J and TDW, he was at their throat just as much as Glyph was so I can't make any comment about that.

So I concede I was wrong about mafia Asdioh.

But I do think Scum X1 is still a possibility. Every read of his still being alive, claiming after Aposl, it puts him is a perfect position to clear his scum-mates or if he is an indy himself to set up a nice end game to coast better.

So I'm back at square one, I'm sorry I failed town and didn't pick up with KevinM's spot, call this ATE or whatever but I admit I failed my faction.

That is all I got on X1 and it's weak at best, so feel free to so as you need to do.
 

Asdioh

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So is X1 absolutely your scumpick? Is there anyone else that you think could be it?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I can't see Seik or PL. they would have quick lynched me by now if they were with X1.

It would have to be Glyph seeing as he is the strongest person I see as an indy, since him and X1 doesn't make sense to me.
 

Asdioh

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I doubt there are any "teammates" remaining. There are two scum left MAX, and they are almost certainly not together.
 

Seikend

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RedRyu, what if I told you that X1 is most likely town? Whatever "scummy" actions you think he's done, a cop role makes complete sense honestly.

What's your thoughts on Glyph and myself?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I can't think of you as scum at all. Your play make no sense as scum, self voting to clear a suspect to town, your ability to be wary of everyone, no quick hammer on me at this point. Your not scum.

Glyph I think very well could be an indy, but he sure as heck ain't aligned with Zen/J and TDW so him as mafia is completely out of the question.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Do you feel you can get more out of this day or see anyone else as scum?

If not and you feel lynching me won't end with town losing, I say go for a lynch on me then.
 

Seikend

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Maaan I constantly flip flop.

X1 is confirmed town at this point. PL is good as confirmed for me (and this time if I flip flop on this I'm scum).

Asdioh, Glyph, RR.

I can't read Asdioh. Let's take him as town.

Between RR and Glyph imo.

Reasons for RR scum has been said a lot.

Considering Glyph bussing J, getting on the TDW wagon because he believed Nabe was the cop. He hasn't been doing much since the Zen flip, if I say so myself. BP until a bingo gives an excuse for not being NKed, and conveniently Bingos have been entirely missed until presumably toMorrow, when it's MYLO.
 

Seikend

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Even if the final call toDay is to lynch RR, I'd like to make a case on Glyph before it happens.

Please dont hammer PL 83

Will hopefully have it done today, else tommorow.
 

Asdioh

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I don't know :c

If it's not RR, then probably between Seik and Glyph, I guess.

v_v
 

Pink Lemonade

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Maaan I constantly flip flop.
It's ok. It's happened to me before too. Can't always be right, you have to re-evaluate sometimes.

Also I'm good with an RR lynch but won't hammer unless everyone wants the day ended, and I mean EVERYONE.

If so, I'd give warning before hammering anyways.
 

X1-12

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I seriously don't understand why you guys want to drag on this Day so much, do you think this "discussion" is actually in anyway beneficial? I could sit here stalling out until deadline watching ****ty weak cases be presented when the player writing them doesn't even beleive in them but I personally find it to be a waste of time. If Seik makes a Glyph case then fine, but I'm pretty confident it'll just be like all the others, really reaching and poor. If someone legit had a good reason to disagree with PL/Asdioh/X1/Glyph as town then I'm pretty sure they'd have it done by now.

My suggestion for tomorrow (assuming I'm not around), is outlined below. I STRONGLY suggest you follow it.

1.) WHATEVER ANYONE SUGGESTS, OR REGARDLESS OF WHAT ELSE HAPPENS, do not lynch Asdioh or PL.
2.) Ignore anything and everything that happens in the Night, because Bingo almost certainly will **** with it
3.) See if a legitimate (see below for what is legit) and not reaching case can be produced about Glyph (I'm pretty confident it won't), also see below section about what is scummy.
3A.) If it does and its actually good then make up your own minds between Seik/Glyph
3B.) If no to the good Glyph case, Lynch Seikend.


So X1, How do I tell whether certain actions are scummy or not?

Think: Would scum do this? How would their faction benefit (inc. it makes them look town).
Think: Would town do this? What does it benefit to their faction?
Think: Would town do this, even though it doesn't benefit their faction? This is the hardest one to think about, but many people fail on this and call dumb people scum, stuff like trolling, messing about, being an idiot and not putting in much effort ISN'T NECESSARILY SCUMMY. Nor is being wrong, nor is doing something you disagree with (lookin at you PL). Its also very much worth mentioning that if someone does something you can't understand, that's not scummy either, even if you can't understand their thought process, then that doesn't make them scum either, just look at whether you think they have genuine pro-town intentions or not.
Never assume: That because one person has failed to give off town tells then they are scum and vice versa. Player's are null till proven otherwise and I'm pretty confident with the exception of a few things he's done, that seems to be why everyone finds Seik town.
Weigh up: The entire actions of players that game. If one player has done one tiny scummy thing, that doesn't make them scum on its own, if their whole game they've also been exhibiting town tells.
Don't: Count Seikend self voting as a town tell. Seriously don't he could easily have been told about it by J (who did it to almost win in Inception). I know its basically gonna be impossible to convince you of this and I'm sure someone will ask me why I didn't make a bigger deal out of this earlier, but whatever, the first part of this mini-guide thing reminds us that sometimes scum do stuff just to look town, hence bussing etc. I actually think if you weigh up the self voting incident in this mini-guide, remembering that scum can do stuff just to look town its not even that much of a town tell. Whatever.

unless someone has any questions, then I'm 100% ok with ending the Day now.
 
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