Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I stated I had a hunch.

 

[Asdioh]

A hunch of what?

 

[Asdioh]

Do I kill threads or something.

only on page 14 now

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Asdioh, I think your 2080 asks a very relevant question, but it's a question that you should take an opinion on.

First of all, do you agree with him that his logic demonstrates a reason to think Soup is scum?

 

[Aposl]

If tdw is scum so is PL

Posts number 465 and 476

"@Pink Lemonade

Think of it as a... filter, per se. I'd freaking LOVE for that to happen, because you (July) understand that Ranmaru is a headache to play with, I hope. He'll still be active. But he'll have to run his points/QUESTIONS across the checks and balances (YOU/JOEY) so your slot doesn't become as much of a liability as I find Ran's slot in most games to usually be. So, honestly consider.

Oh hey I'm actually drinking pink lemonade right now .

Joey, if you really wanna go as far as asking ALL of town if they'd want Ran to not post, I'd be totally fine with it. But I really don't wanna attack his self esteem. I'm not going upon anything personal when it comes to not wanting Ran to post. But when he goes through a checks-and-balance system, he'll get an opportunity to realize why some things are just NOT good to post, rather than just posting them and getting the hell he inevitably gets. Ultimately, it's on you three whether or not you hinder Ran's posting. But I'm not gonna try to appease to any of the stupidity that comes out of the hydra Pink Lemonade."

very concerend about ran posts sounding dumb and incurring the wrath of those dumb posts, trying to establish a filter on what he sees as a bad player. Who cares, unless mafia scum buds?

Like i said here is a connection IF tdw is scum. Right now only really have the nabe comment to go by.

 

[Asdioh]

Stances from pages 1-10

Stances from pages 11-15:



1. Pink Lemonade - Glyph scummier than Smarg, FoS on BSL for his rolefishing and scummy outbursts, thinks J isn't scum,

2. GandhiLaserGun - Smarg scum, null on seikend, spends a lot of time (@page 14) focusing on how Ran not posting would make PL seem less scummy, strong stance against J that really gets the J wagon rolling (posts beyond this one continue their debate)

3. BSL [replaced by Nabe] - Thinks Glyph is scummy and wants him to claim

4. Asdioh - JTB scum, Aposl scum, Jscum, Seik town, BSL scum, Glyph town,

5. KevinM - lynch PL, possible scum

6. Toasting Dat Walrus - 448/451 467, thinks BSL is scum pulling a "textbook scum slip" , wants one of BSL/Glyph lynched,

7. Seikend - JTB scum, J/JTB scum,

8. Smargaret -

9. J - Asdioh scum, dislikes TWDs willingness to lynch BSL or Glyph without having to take a strong stance, why is J still alive, again?

10. JTB - Seik scum, more opinions, and note his line 4 "Don't mind hopping on him for a while since Seikend wagon isn't going anywhere" which was a point later brought up against him to help get JTB lynched,

11. Aposl - Smarg scum

12. Soupamario - 407, Glyph vs BSL is SvS after TDW asks PL if SvS is the case, thinks BSL is scummier than Glyph,

13. Glyphmoney - J scum, Smar probably scum, Soup can go












it took so freaking long that I'll just post what I have so far. I'll do 16-20 next >_<

Are these actually helping at all? I'm probably missing a few stances if things don't jump out at me very much, but I'm trying to give an overview of everyones stances as they evolved throughout the game. If there is a long post of stances I'll just link it instead of writing everything out.

 

[Asdioh]

@Aposl: that's a pretty good point, but I see it more of a null-tell. He wasn't the only one asking Ran to not post (as dumb as that was for people to ask).

Actually, he could have just directed that post at Ran in their quicktopic, if they were scummates. Also, asking someone to not post because they look super scummy is potentially pro-town because it might help avoid a mislynch.

 

[Seikend]

I hate to do this again, but I might be V/LA again from Thursday to Sunday. Can't say for sure until Thursday morning unfortunately.

I feel like my activity last declared V/LA was fine, and I'd really rather not replace but if my inactivity is too much I'll drop out.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, I think your 2080 asks a very relevant question, but it's a question that you should take an opinion on.

First of all, do you agree with him that his logic demonstrates a reason to think Soup is scum?

hmm

I skimmed your case on asdioh. What you gave, I don't necessarily agree with, BUT it does help me with my read on you, seeing that I can see clear townie intentions coming from the case. It seems like the whole of your case revolves around determining the reason as to why he chose not to read his role PM and play scummy, all the while accepting the fact that he DIDN'T read his role PM. But if you do accept the fact that he didn't start off by reading his role PM, then what is it that's so wrong with the gambit? He didn't know if he'd be using it in a pro town or anti town manner, when he found out his alignment, he used it as a pro town gambit. I guess my whole question mark toward your case is, well, why do you care that he did the gambit, if you accept the fact that he didn't read his role PM till later into the game?

TDW, read it again, please, what part do you not understand, what parts don't you agree with me?

i feel i have a very strong scum read on Asdioh right now, and you're saying NOPE!

why, state me where i am wrong.

in fact, while i'm at it, i'm gonna claim right now.

VT.

that's it, no crumbs, no gambits, nothing, just a VT.

a very frustrated one if that.

>_>

Lynching TDW? Why would ya wanna do that?

@Nabe my question toward you in whatever post it was that I voted you in has yet to be answered. Keep in mind I DID want that answered mang. I mean lol your most recent posting just seems so demeaning, tryna play by the sidelines. Just because you come in here and say that J is scum doesn't mean you can chill out in the back and do straight up NOTHING.

@Soupamario I swear to god if you revert back to your Epicmafia train of thought... you don't wanna know how much I'll rage. You claimed VT from out of the blue for no reason, becuase you wanted to "narrow down the clears" or something, but there's no way to narrow em down if it's a closed setup. Idk whether I skimmed over any good reasoning for your claim or not, but seriously I just facepalm'd so hard on that shiz...

@J I don't think any sort of a Glyph lynch will be going anywhere any time soon (iirc that's one of your higher scum picks along with two other people, one of which I can't remember?). Wanna make use of your vote and get a Nabe wagon going?

@Asdioh, GLG my mangz, do you guys oppose a Nabe wagon?

That's quite subjective. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that... I AM scumhunting. But how am I supposed to defend myself? Oh wait that's right I have people like Pink Lemonade who realize that I'm scumhunting. Ggs.



Kuz was the one who was posting at that moment, but looking at it once, I was like "dang looks like a possible chainsaw defense". But after rereading it, asdioh just seemed to be pointing out the fact that Soup's voting was accidental, rather than Kuz' assumption of it being intentional.



All I can remember you doing all Day toDay is calling J scum, and then (iirc) calling Soup scum. Which is dumb, not helpful, not scumhunting, and FAKE CONTRIBUTING.



Last time I checked Seik was try'na push a Soup/J scum team, which would mean that he'd need town's weigh in on the opinion. My weight on the opinion is that I'm not convinced. Strawman my arse off or waaaaaat?



Hurr durr rolefishing

@bolded: I was actually trying to say it was intentional, back then. Forgot to respond to this when you actually posted it.

@X1 You're straight tunneling J, and it seems like you're reaching big time for a J lynch with your #2001. Instead, how's about you tell me your opinion on Nabe?

Where IS J anyway? @mod if it's outside the 48 hour time period, request J prod.



Gah what is this I don't even... ugh smh...



I, Gord, think he's obvtown. If Kuz thinks any different then lol, but from how we've been talking I seriously doubt that he thinks any different.

..and then after that is TDWs post where he says Nabe convinced him that Soup is scum. The word "town bro" is one of the most confusing things you did, Nabe. I can't tell if you're just trying to get Soup to follow you or what.

Also there's this:

TDW, i thought you didn't see me as scum.

Which I also noticed looking through recent pages, and as shown in the quotes I just pulled up.

I still don't understand what exactly convinced TDW that Soup was scum. Yeah, he was a bit hesitant to vote for TDW at first, but I'd guess he was trying to make sense of Nabes claim.

..anyway, the fact that TDW had to spend a fair amount of time writing that up (carefully, yeah?) plus the inclusion of mod speculation (lol) doesn't look good to me.
....but wait, if he were scum, why would he assume you were gambiting? The fact that he totally doesn't believe your guilty on him (or at least, pretends he doesn't) is kind of a town tell... but actually, he's probably faking.



SO YEAH

As you can see, I'm having a hella hard time deciding.


tl;dr

Nabe claims a guilty on TDW, TDW immediately assumes it was all a gambit and suddenly tries to shift all the blame on Soup, thanking Nabe for convincing him, after previously saying he had a town read on Soup. Nabe doesn't say whether it's a gambit or not, thus forcing mere mortals like myself to take a stance. Soup looks pretty damn scummy by default. TDW has been mostly null to me, but after this incident, I think he was just reaching to save himself, so yeah, I'd say I'd rather lynch TDW than Soup at this time.

or we can lynch J


Now, Nabe, were you secretly trying to get a read on me with all of this?

 

[Asdioh]

I'd say I'd rather lynch TDW than Soup at this time.

Or should I go with the reads The Asdioh of the Past had? That Asdioh seemed a lot less confused than the Asdioh of ToDay.


Also, should I channel The Ghost of JTB to further solidify my scumSoup read:

he's scum for the same reasons he called JTB scum.
except he's actually doing the things he called JTB out for (bandwagoning like hell etc.)
FAR scummier than JTB but hey "it's just how he plays" so it's a towntell right

Asdioh knows whats up, I can count on him.

Guess it all depends on Nabes response ^_^

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

Lol @ Asdioh making the thread dead again

I still don't understand what exactly convinced TDW that Soup was scum. Yeah, he was a bit hesitant to vote for TDW at first, but I'd guess he was trying to make sense of Nabes claim.

It has to do with the approach to the claim (I mean, come on, normally when you see a guilty cop result on a player, what do you do?) being so wishy washy and so scared-like, the fact that I now believe Nabe's town and his town word has more validity to it, and thinking back, a lot of the things I got a town read on em for was for thinking he was like an innocent chicken running with his head chopped off. When in the end, I can accept that a lot of the "noobtown" actions that he's pulled can also easily be noobscum.

And the approach to my wagon also helped but lol.

..anyway, the fact that TDW had to spend a fair amount of time writing that up (carefully, yeah?) plus the inclusion of mod speculation (lol) doesn't look good to me.
....but wait, if he were scum, why would he assume you were gambiting? The fact that he totally doesn't believe your guilty on him (or at least, pretends he doesn't) is kind of a town tell... but actually, he's probably faking.

Do you realize the amount of WIFOM there is here? You can't speculate how much time I spent on that response (actually, during the guilty report methinks I went out for a run). You also can't stray shy from the fact that I'm making sense wrt balancing a sane cop and a doc. Aaaand then the last line is where you have a circle of WIFOM.

Oh, and btw, you didn't think the only thing behind this cop gambit was to convince town of Soupscum did ya ?

 

[Asdioh]

So you think Town Soup would have voted immediately, but he waited because he's scum that knows the guilty was fake?

That in itself is wifom... the whole situation is a lot of wifom which is why I'm having trouble taking a side.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Asdioh is working his *** off but I'm still not sure exactly what is going on with the Soup/TDW/Nabe situation, other than the fact that Nabe is either cop or gambiting town, scum Nabe wouldn't make sense.

The connections are helpful, especially for GLG because I honestly forgot their stances from earlier and looking at J again in reference to TDW.

Productivity shot for the day by financial aid stuff, will try to make better sense of things tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yo tdw for being noob scum I sure am kicking your ***.

That all you got? I thought you were good at this game.

Guess not, oh well, wallow in your wifom pool as far as I care.

 

[Asdioh]

unvote
Vote: Soupamario


?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nice vote asdioh.

Get to explaning

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm waiting.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Omg hi glyph you wanna vote me too?

 

[Asdioh]

Yo tdw for being noob scum I sure am kicking your ***.

That all you got? I thought you were good at this game.

Guess not, oh well, wallow in your wifom pool as far as I care.

what is this? Aside from ... bad?

Are you just trying to generate discussion in this horribly dead game?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Trying to make a point.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

And yes, in a way.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Soup, stop freaking out.

TDW, please clarify: are you a miller?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Seeing how people have yet to see this point.

Scum is always the most town, town is the most scum, good town can trick scum with this, good scum can trick town with this.

Scum try to appeal to the eye, town get **** done.

You should stop thinking one way, just because someone looks town, doesn't mean anything, and the vice Versa.

The fact you question that post I made, and the way you responded to it, is what I was looking for, you did not try to point out My faults, and make me seem scummy by only pointing out the mistakes I have made.

 

[Asdioh]

Soup, stop freaking out.

TDW, please clarify: are you a miller?

due to the lack of flavor reasoning, I highly doubt it.
But hey, anything's possible.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

But that is wifom, of course.

Tell me asdioh, why would tdw direct and agree with nabe, and come after a scummy player like myself?

Ill tell you why, I'm easy bait, and scum are fine With anything they can grab.

Tdw is looking for a way out, if tdw was town he would not redirct so fast, in fact, he might question the cop, knowing he was vt, and not guilty.

 

[Aposl]

so soup and tdw are scum buddies,as well as pl....

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're just proving My point More.

 

[Aposl]

I have a scum read on tdw, you are buddying him, therefore....


It has nothing to do with you seeming town or scum, right now my list goes tdw, pl, then you, with you being the least to go on, so chill brah.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

Sweet job @ convincing me Nabe.

Unvote

Vote: Soupamario

First of all guys, if you hadn't noticed, Nabe pulled a very wise gambit. Think of how me and his interactions have been so far toDay. He subtly points his fingers at J and Soup, calling them scum. I start to think that it's coming off really bad, and place my vote. He then continues with his notion of calling Soup scum. Then, without too much, if any at all, pointing at me as scum through the whole Day, he comes up with a cop claim and a guilty on me. But not just any cop claim. He asks his "town bro" Soup to get in on the wagon. Soup then kinda subtly says that he doesn't know if he should. Coupl'a votes pile on, and bang, so does his.

First of all, if he was really a cop with a guilty report on me, he'd have tried to make more of an effort to get me lynched from the beginning of the Day without quite outing himself as the cop. Take note of Royal Mafia Sleepover, where Overswarm was cop with a guilty on Gheb. The ONLY thing that Overswarm did said Day with that guilty was tunnel Gheb. Hard. It was a good cop technique, up until he made himself too obvious. Cops should always try to find sufficent evidence against their scum investigation before outing themselves. That way... they can still cop around! Nabe didn't do this. What does this mean? It was a gambit. And one that worked, at that.

Second of all, maybe my weakest observation, is mod speculation. It's quite broken in mafia to have a doctor and a sane cop in the same game, because then the game can easily turn into follow the cop. Uninformed sanity? Possibly, and quite understandable. Either that, or Kat really DID put a sane cop and doc in the same game and I'm an uninformed miller. But it sounds more reasonable that Nabe pulled a sweet gambit.

Third of all, I wanna take a look back at Soupamario's adding to my wagon. Back in Villains mafia, I was scum, and was attacked HARD for my inability to do anything without being wishy washy. The same type of play happened in Sonic mafia, but I was a noob and not accounted for. The way his approach to the wagon occoured just screams scum to me.

Thanks for finally convincing me, Nabe.

scum

1.) Buddies Nabe
2.) Tries to redirect, move away from the guilty he has on him and start talking about other players
3.) Tries to act way more clued up than he is
4.) so much more redirection
5.) More buddying


discuss

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I think ill wait on glg, I don't even want to respond to that stupidity.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

also 6.) Instantly assumes NabeTown.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

Based purely on that post, I'm OK with TDW dying

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ninjad

I already said that though but its coo.

Glg, aposl - noobscum or noobtown?

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

basically anyone who just played DKR with me read the post where I cleared Asdioh because of his response to MY fakeclaim. Now look at how TDW reacts its the polar opposite basically.

@Soup: Do I look like I've read the thread?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

2109 is what I wanted from Asdioh.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Nabe, do you agree with my insight on asdioh?

i would also like your opnion on aposl.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Still not sure what to think about Asdioh, but he seems to be earnestly trying to decipher the thread. Aposl is seemingly town.

I'm confused, Soup. Do you think TDW is town or scum?

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

oh:/ sorry for ruining your stuff bro

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

it's cool GLG, i suck at giving lessons anyway.

@Nabe

#2105.

basically calling TDW scum.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

Also Asdioh your stances re-cap, is that actually helping at all? If you can explain a couple of solid reasons why then keep doing it otherwise it seems kinda a waste of tiem

I also saw PL say it was really handy so they could remember people's stances and it made me just like: lol scum PL are laughing because now they'll never accidently contradict their previous stance again cause asdioh is reminding us what we said earlier