Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Pink Lemonade]

Why would NOT being a vt only be a pr?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I said it was nice that he took the initiative to do an ISO.

I thought Glyph was scummy so I thought he was going in that direction.

 

[Asdioh]

I BACKED UP THESE LYNCH CHOICES AS I SAW FIT: IE BSL WITH CONFIRMED ROLE PHISHING. ASDIOH WITH HIS SUDDEN CHANGE IN STANCES AS PEOPLE GREW SUSPICIOUS OF HIM. J FOR HIS HURR DA DURR ATE.

HE THEN VOTES ME BECAUSE...?

BSL is the only one I was sure of the reason of.

THAT IN FACT AGREES WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS I SAY.

not rly, just a few. I also don't like your way of going about things, it leaves you pretty blameless.

Ok, I'll do one. ;o

On who?

@Asdioh: Describe why in 1 sentence, KevinM is scum to you

Gonna be hard to do in one sentence, but I'll make it as small as I can:

First of all, he's the nearly-unanimous "town" player, with little to back that up besides "just because." I never EVER trust that player. That player in Dissidia was Gheb. I didn't speak up about my suspicions about Gheb, but instead investigated him N1, correctly. Unfortunately, I died. I'm not going to be silent about things like that anymore.

Second, his stances seem too 'easy.' BSL because of rolefishing. Yes, that's legit. He's focused on little else BSL's done though. J because AtE. Yes, but J was already a popular target. Me... because of "stance switching" which lol happens, but to me it seems more like "you said I'm not town after I said I'd want to lynch you, gg I'm voting you!" aka "How dare anyone speak against KevinM!" and also, because J had just made a huge post against me. Kevin could just say "I didn't like Asdioh's response to that post" as his defense for bandwagoning me.

That was a good read, but really only served to make me feel worse about Pink Lemonade and no better about Asdioh.

Asdioh, has a proper case been made and framed for your lynch? Has anyone posted anything that qualifies, in your eyes? If so, have you responded to that case / those points against you?

It's hard to miss. J made a massive iso post against me, similar to what I just did to Kevin. I also responded to it in detail, though PL wasn't satisfied with my response (which annoyed me a little because the post was directed at J, not him, forgot to mention that earlier)

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I'll do one on GLG. ;o They have only 45 posts though. I don't feel JTB needs one. You seem to have J covered.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Is there some reason you bring up JTB specifically?

And don't edit, lol.

 

[Asdioh]

Um... I think ... crap, JTB's no longer viewing the thread.
I wanted to say that I wanted JTB (who was viewing the thread along with Nabe) to comment on what I posted, but apparently I forgot and now he's gone.
I'm pretty much done posting for the night because of a few sam adams, though eventually I want to see posts from the X1 and Kuz hydra, and totally not being mean to their hydra partners. I noticed that X1 said nothing about Js iso on me, either he didn't see it, or he doesn't think I'm scum, dunno.

 

[Asdioh]

AND GLYPH
I'm on skype with you and you're totes viewing the thread

>=|!!!!!!!!!

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Is there some reason you bring up JTB specifically?

And don't edit, lol.

Yes. J is the highest poster, JTB is the second highest.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Well, that was a much better explanation than I thought I'd get. Alrighty.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Yes I looked to see how much posts everyone had, for the very purpose of ISO'ing. GLG has 45.

 

[Asdioh]

Yes I looked to see how much posts everyone had, for the very purpose of ISO'ing. GLG has 45.

plus all the times he posted as X1 because of "forgetting" :mistyface:

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Asdioh, what does town gain from a KevinM lynch for tomorrow? If he flips town, who would you pursue? Who are his scum buddies if he's scum?

 

[JTB]

Asdioh, as of right now, I don't wish to pursue a KevM wagon. I have my reasons to believe he is town (which I can't go into, less I incur the same wrath that BSL got). However, I do understand the point you are getting across with Gheb/RF from Dissidia, I just don't feel like a KevM is appropriate right now.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, what does town gain from a KevinM lynch for tomorrow? If he flips town, who would you pursue? Who are his scum buddies if he's scum?

It isn't good to talk about scum pairs on Day 1, because you don't have solid info to base that off. For example, let's say you call a scumteam, half-correctly. If the scum was lynched first, the other half would be town, but would be doomed to be a policy lynch. If you lynced town first, the scum would be semi-cleared and off the hook.

So you should only look at individual scumminess toDay, and then you can look at connections toMmorrow using a flip.

You had nothing else to comment but this? :|

IDK right now. I'm thinking he's scum, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I can worry about that later. It will take more convincing than that to get him lynched, anyway. Right now, I'm trying to pressure him, and as a result it's helping me get reads on him, and other people at the same time. And I'm not liking your underwhelming response, unfortunately.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, as of right now, I don't wish to pursue a KevM wagon. I have my reasons to believe he is town (which I can't go into, less I incur the same wrath that BSL got). However, I do understand the point you are getting across with Gheb/RF from Dissidia, I just don't feel like a KevM is appropriate right now.

This is understandable.

What are your thoughts on me? Or anything else?

 

[JTB]

unvote vote Aposl

I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of seeing Aposl coast like this. Get in the game yo, give us your thoughts on what is going on and who you think is scum besides smargaret.

 

[Asdioh]

I'm fine with Aposl, too. That's one stance I haven't changed on yet this game (>:E @ kevin)

I'd just rather wait for everyone elses thoughts on Kevin.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

You had nothing else to comment but this? :|

IDK right now. I'm thinking he's scum, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I can worry about that later. It will take more convincing than that to get him lynched, anyway. Right now, I'm trying to pressure him, and as a result it's helping me get reads on him, and other people at the same time. And I'm not liking your underwhelming response, unfortunately.

Good man. I think pairing doesn't help. We'll lynch first, and then tomMorow we can say "Well so and so said this to him, or completely ignored him" etc.

 

[JTB]

Asdioh, I don't really like people who ask others about themselves. It gives me the impression of a scum player that is trying to get an idea of how town feels about them so that they can correct themselves in the future to look less scummy. I've seen you do this in other games as town, so I'm not taking it as a scumtell.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Asdioh I'd like an answer to the post of mine you quoted.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, I don't really like people who ask others about themselves. It gives me the impression of a scum player that is trying to get an idea of how town feels about them so that they can correct themselves in the future to look less scummy. I've seen you do this in other games as town, so I'm not taking it as a scumtell.

your vote is on me, only reason I asked

 

[JTB]

oh, herp derp

I was hoping once J was satisfied with you being town, I could start a Seikend wagon back up.

So I guess, just off the top of my head, you are town for now, I'm doing a reread atm but I don't really remember anything really scummy except for the vote on me.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh I'd like an answer to the post of mine you quoted.

My answer: if we actually lynch him, then the next Day (assuming I survive) I can give my reads, depending on his flip. If I don't survive, then there are plenty of intelligent players that can try to make connections in my place, depending on his flip.
I'm not going to go into detail right now about who his potential scummates are, or who is scum if he's town. I don't have a strong enough opinion on that to needlessly condemn people.


@PL: I dunno if this is the kind of question you want to answer, or if it's bad that I'm asking it, but since you're a 3 person hydra, I was curious about who voted Kevin, and how much support from the other 2 you needed to do so?

 

[Pink Lemonade]

It was me.

Ran.

I didn't consult them on it. If they disagree, they can unvote accordingly and scumhunt else where. I'm just on more then they are.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

My answer: if we actually lynch him, then the next Day (assuming I survive) I can give my reads, depending on his flip. If I don't survive, then there are plenty of intelligent players that can try to make connections in my place, depending on his flip.
I'm not going to go into detail right now about who his potential scummates are, or who is scum if he's town. I don't have a strong enough opinion on that to needlessly condemn people.

Asdioh that's all good and great, but I am concerned with who YOU would connect to him (for every alignment) at this particular moment in which you chose to do an ISO on him.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Glyph it doesn't matter. It's just better he looks for scum intent individually. Don't ask for who he thinks is connected to him now, there is not evidence for such things to be possible. It's better you ask for a second scumpick.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Asdioh I'm not asking you to point at another player and say "he is definitely scum if Kevin flips scum". I want to know what connections you've picked up on in your ISO, and how they relate to him.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

I honestly have no idea why we're voting KevinM, but I know where our vote should be

Unvote

Vote: Asdioh

This is Joey by the way, Asdioh.

 

[Asdioh]

@PL: ok, so that's Ran agreeing with me (for now at least), Joey thinking I'm scum. I saw July viewing this thread just a moment ago, what does she think?

Asdioh I'm not asking you to point at another player and say "he is definitely scum if Kevin flips scum". I want to know what connections you've picked up on in your ISO, and how they relate to him.

What good will it do? It depends on what kind of scum player Kevin is, should he flip scum. Is he the kind that will bus his scummates (ex. potentially J, should he flip scum, or MAYBE bsl)? The kind that will put "a lot of pressure" on them early on and then pull off (ex. potentially Smarg, or Aposl) or the kind that will give/receive buddying vibes (potentially you, MAAAAAAAYBE GLG) or the kind that will barely acknowledge scummates?

See how little this helps? I really don't like how persistently you've been asking this question.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Me and July both agree'd that you were scum and that we're fine with us having our vote on you.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Okay, so those are your own thoughts, Pink.

Why did you vote Kev now, rather than before Asdioh posted his ISO? You've given a single reason in your voting post, the rolefishing. And while it's implied that you agree with Asdioh and that he supplements your reasoning, you're saying that's not the case.

BSL iirc was rolefishing and admitted to as much, saying "Why shouldn't I if I think he's scum?" So the point that you don't think he was is flatout wrong.

No idea about the vote, I've read Asdioh's ISO and it does not convince me of anything and I do not support a KevinM vote. BSL was rolefishing, I made that call before and I stand by that fact. I've laid off BSL as a scum suspect though because his rage quitting is a very town thing to do tbh.

Well, that was quick o_o

Why don't you do an iso? You're three times the person I am :/

Different heads are planning on doing different ISOs, so we will work on that but honestly I would prefer to do an ISO on someone I find scummy, so I won't be doing one on J or GLG because they are not my top scum picks. If someone else does that's fine.

Pink, you've just read a whole case about Kev, and agreed with it. Is that really a question that you should be asking Asdioh? After all, his case convinced you to put your vote on Kev.

The thing is that Asdioh did put in effort to do an ISO, and part of our hydra appreciates that, Asdioh has no obligation to do any further ISOs unless he wants to.

However, I still find it half-hearted, and tbh I don't see where his (Asdioh's) Kevin vote came from. In the matter of a day I believe Asdioh changed his original town read on Kevin because he was being sarcastic (which we really can't prove but I'm suspicious of), then he determined KevinM was null, then did an ISO that I don't feel revealed anything earthshaking that warranted such a sudden read change from null to scum on Kevin.

It's hard to miss. J made a massive iso post against me, similar to what I just did to Kevin. I also responded to it in detail, though PL wasn't satisfied with my response (which annoyed me a little because the post was directed at J, not him, forgot to mention that earlier)

Sorry if that annoyed you, but all posts are open game and the things that I addressed were statements about your own stances/reads that were a reaction to J's questions. I didn't answer any questions for J and that post was full of your thoughts on players so it was a very important post to look at imo.

unvote vote Aposl

I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of seeing Aposl coast like this. Get in the game yo, give us your thoughts on what is going on and who you think is scum besides smargaret.

Aposl pressure is good, agreed that we really need more posts from him.

My answer: if we actually lynch him, then the next Day (assuming I survive) I can give my reads, depending on his flip. If I don't survive, then there are plenty of intelligent players that can try to make connections in my place, depending on his flip.
I'm not going to go into detail right now about who his potential scummates are, or who is scum if he's town. I don't have a strong enough opinion on that to needlessly condemn people.


@PL: I dunno if this is the kind of question you want to answer, or if it's bad that I'm asking it, but since you're a 3 person hydra, I was curious about who voted Kevin, and how much support from the other 2 you needed to do so?

Okay, so I do this at the risk of contradicting my other head but I don't see making talking about connections or potential scummates as bad. We base a lot of reads in mafia off interactions and so thinking about how a person's flip can affect your reads is a good thing imo. Even if I don't post it, I'm constantly thinking in terms of interactions, or sometimes I do like with the Glyph/BSL interactions.

Ran voted Kevin, there was no consultation on that vote but prior to that vote when we were all online we did discuss our vote on you Asdioh and Joey, Ran and I have discussed it since then and our vote is back on Asdioh for good reason. It's not unanimous per se but as close to unanimous as we were with our Glyph vote.

 

[Aposl]

Alright heres a post guys XD

@Smargeret

I come up with an idea at the beginning of the game, I am a noob, so I think its brilliant, then everyone ****s on my idea except Kevein M. So I ask is this sarcasm just so I dont feel like a tool when he says, it was, Your idea was obviously garbz. You keep needling me about this POV, asking who would I pick. At the time it was seikend, not anymore though, I did say this at the beginning already though! So Why keep bringing it up? Your scum, or you dont believe that I thought that was a good idea. Sorry I is noob if you are town, but I dont think so, I think you are scum.

@ JTB

No i will not post what I think about other people right now because I am town, and I am a novice. If I was better at this or maybe had other people posting on my account as well (really hate hydras) maybe I could be a better presence. But because I am town and dont want to disadvantage my team by having incomplete opinions on people posted, then look scummy, I am just going to address the hate from Smarg on me atm. However, I do think I can only do this day 1. Once someone is lynched I will scum hunt my *** off because I will actually have some evidence to go off of.

@ everyone

has anyone discussed what the hell the opening story was all about? Does that have any significance, or any clues to anything? Thought about that for a while but I guess that doesn't really matter cuz no one brought it up...

 

[Aposl]

@Smargeret I dont think anyone answered me yet except you, your right about that I should put more pressure on those people to answer.

 

[JTB]

Um

by tunneling smargaret, you are looking scummy. You aren't providing town with any help towards our wincon, you are simply acting of your own accord. Sure, you can say that you don't want to inconvenience town by posting your thoughts, but town needs all the information that it can get, even if your thoughts are flawed.

The opening story has no significance at all, don't use it as a means to scumhunt.

I find it odd, why did you wait until someone voted you to post? Also, you said yesterday that you were about to "take a strong stance" on someone, yet now you are saying that you will only focus on smargaret? What is the meaning of this?

 

[Aposl]

If others agree with you I will, but you dont speak for the whole town,or anyone who could be town, so I will wait for more pressure, but thats only because this is day 1.

I posted that thing about a strong stance because I thought I spotted something scummy then I realized I was wrong, sorry. And yes I know that sounds like bs but its the truth.

You said you wanted to hear more from me, no one else seems that interested in me, since I am town and we have more than enough read on everyone else, I was just going to wait for the flip and help develop on that. Sorry that you dont like that, but I am not buddying up with anyone day 1 and I am not going after anyone else for day 1, UNLESS YOU ALL FORCE ME TOO! In that case I will build up a case, but I assure you someone will find a reason it makes me look scummy.

As for you, JTB idk how i feel. I'm null on you, you wanted me to know how to correctly vote for smarg, which I raised an eyebrow to, but you seem to legitimately want to know what I think so I am leaning town for you. I'm going to stay null on you and everyone else for now though.

I will put some serious work into my opinions though, gonna re-read and see if I can find something that was missed, if that happens then I wont just tunnel Smarg. Okay?

 

[JTB]

lmfao

aposl wagon lets go

 

[Kataefi]

VOTE COUNT!

[3] Asdioh - J / KevinM / Pink Lemonade
[3] J - Glyphmoney / GandhiLaserGun / Seikend
[2] Nabe - Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario
[2] Toasting Dat Walrus - Smargaret / Nabe
[1] Aposl - JTB
[1] KevinM - Asdioh
[1] Smargaret - Aposl

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] Soupamario
[0] Seikend
[0] JTB
[0] Glyphmoney

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline set for Friday, April 8th, Midnight GMT.

 

[Aposl]

I got to go to work in an hour, look forward to seeing how this wagon progress while I am gone lolz. Looks like my freetime after work will be filled.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Okay, so I(Joey) am doing an ISO on Seik.

Ran and July are doing ISO's as well. We will put all 3 into one post if that's okay with everyone. Otherwise, we'll seperately post them after getting them reviewed and re-worded with eachother.

@Other heads reading this (because I'm still working and I don't want to leave the topic): My target is going V/LA in 4 days, so if we post seperately, can I get mine reviewed as fast as possible? I don't want to lose the ability to convince town anything just because he's gone and can't defend himself -__-.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Yes that is fine, we can do that.