Bingo Mafia: OVAH! Who won?

[Pink Lemonade]

I think its safe to say no mafia will be played for today

I agree. Although you see Mafia normally through preview. I can't stand the music in my user cp. ;-; I have to have it muted. **** YOU XIIVI

 

[JTB]

Let's just lynch Seikend and this thread will be closed for the day, yeah?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

You can adblock it! Then you can just browse SWF and still listen to whatever you want.

Also hell no we have like 6 days there's no need to lynch anyone right now.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Agreed we need discussion.

 

[BSL]

Again, show me what you're concerned with. I'll just say it, I don't think you even know what posts you're talking about. You just want a scapegoat to draw attention from your lie about making a joke to teach me a lesson.

Oh god this site.

glyph. multiple times you have said "oh, that post was a joke". explain to me how said posts were jokes. i dont know which posts you are referring to, since they all look 100% serious to me. i need your help in finding the posts.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I really have no way of knowing what posts you have problems with, so I need you to find them. I know I have explained some of them already.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Also I'm done with maf ia for the day since the filter makes most everything unreadable.

 

[BSL]

every single one of your posts, glyph. YOU know which posts are jokes that you made, i dont. it is impossible for me to narrow it down any more than every single post you have made in the thread, since your jokes are unclear to me.

 

[ranmaru]

Also I'm done with maf ia for the day since the filter makes most everything unreadable.

you
can
just
type
like
this
for
today
oops
wrong
profile
my
bad

 

[Pink Lemonade]

@Pink Lemonade

Think of it as a... filter, per se. I'd freaking LOVE for that to happen, because you (July) understand that Ranmaru is a headache to play with, I hope. He'll still be active. But he'll have to run his points/QUESTIONS across the checks and balances (YOU/JOEY) so your slot doesn't become as much of a liability as I find Ran's slot in most games to usually be. So, honestly consider.

Actually those couple of posts right before this one were Ran. We discussed something like this earlier, and I did honestly consider it because for me its hard to come in and see stances that I really don't agree with (like defending Smarg) and try and work my own opinion into what we do BUT Ran is on here a lot more than I am and I know that saying what he has to say means a lot to him. I'll post and I'll say what I think and clarify what we collectively think, but I really feel like I'm hurting the game for Ran to limit his activity to only what I say is okay, which isn't why we are hydraing and gives the false impression I know better than Ran what to say when I honestly don't.

It would be anti-town to not do it Ran, not to mention it still would learn, because if you say something to July, July can explain to you why not to say it, rather than you posting it and everyone in thread just facepalming at you

I understand this sentiment but honestly all I can do is advise Ran on what would be good to say and what would not, but if he takes that advice it is up to him.

@PL

See how confusing this is.. "Have you even looked at July's stances".. no I have looked at PL's stances not one individual player.. how am I supposed to be know which one of you is making posts and why should it matter.

You're treated as one person in a hydra deal with it.

Our stances should be taken as a collective, not just as my stances. We are all responsible for anything any one of us posts here and we are aware of that.

OF ****ING COURSE I ASKED HIM FOR HIS ROLE. I THINK HE'S SCUM, GODDAMMIT.

glyph, i highly doubt that they were clearly jokes, as you got a lot of attention for it, and had to explicitly state they were jokes multiple times.

i made my joke in the style of glyph's jokes on purpose, walrus.

Ohhh...Kay. Was leaning town with BSL, but even more than him rolefishing which is really strange so early on, this kind of outbursts under so little pressure is scummy. If it was a joke you take the heat of it being a joke and move on, but he not only got extremely defensive but says he really does want a role claim when we are barely into the Day and Glyph is by no means a set lynch target. He took a little bit of suspicion that hadn't even left the ground yet and blew it out of proportion.

FoS: BSL

Really think there is something in the Glyph/BSL interactions; I can see what BSL is doing as something that could be done to be intentionally scummy, or a very dumb and premature move by town. I want to talk with other heads of the hydra about the Glyph/BSL interactions as well and see what they think of BSL vs. Glyph as of late.

 

[Seikend]

Let's just lynch Seikend and this thread will be closed for the day, yeah?

lol. Talk about tunneling.

 

[Toastin Dat Walrus]

I have no idea what's going on and what's up with whatever formatting people are talking about, aside from the amazing Rebecca Black skin. Posting cuz it seems like people are complaining about their posts being edited or something? Oh and cuz I'm only gonna be V/LA till the end of Sunday, not Monday at all.

@Pink Lemonade

Curiously, are you suggesting S v S between BSL and Glyph?

 

[#HBC | J]

While everyone is away, J will play and continue playing. =3

Even though it's terrible, it's one of my only days off this weekend.

 

[#HBC | J]

I want to see more of Seikend vs. JTB. It is interesting especially to see the sides people will begin to take on the two. That's from just reading the little tackle between the two. I don't know whether to call it TvT, SvT, or SvS....want more.

Whoever suggested Ran should have July/Joey review all his posts before posting is just ******-dumb. I mean I've read so stupid things but damn. =3 You guys win.

Unvote
Vote: Asdioh

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

@J: Explain that second line.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Glyph Vs. BSL

SvS

i really see this as trying to make people think they hate eachother so we/i wouldn't consider it.

rereading still so chillax.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well GLG, why should we limit someone to not posting just because some people don't like his posting style? Why shouldn't he just say want he wants? Personally I find it offensive to Ranmaru and just get off your high horse if you have a problem with the way someone posts in a hydra. They will post the way they want to. I love the way July posts and I do admit that sometimes I get confused to what Ranmaru is trying to say and the way Joey posts is unique but just saying "Stfu Ran side, let July/Joey talk for you." is just wrong.

So if I have a problem with the way someone is posting I should tell them to stop talking and let others do it for them?

I want Ran to talk FOR Ran because he is just as accountable for the hydra as the other two regardless of your opinion on him.

(Your is not directed at GLG but the people saying it's a good idea)

/rant

It's not fun is all. =3

 

[Pink Lemonade]

@Pink Lemonade

Curiously, are you suggesting S v S between BSL and Glyph?

No, I'm getting a town v. scum vibe, but with impatient town on the other end. Glyph was impatient first but has gotten a bit better imo; BSL started strong and then suddenly decided it was already a good time to get Glyph to role claim. Since they've both shown random, impatient behavior at a time when the other one has been reasonably calm it makes the line between scummy/impatient town blurred. Hydra vote stays on Glyph for now because he's still the collective's top scum pick.

I think after that T v T is next most likely, I have issues seeing S v S forging this awkward and impassioned of a conflict so early, or making up a dialogue such as this:

i already dont like this game

BSL I really am sorry, its not my goal to make this game unpleasant for anyone.

For what its worth.

@Walrus, your thoughts on the BSL/Glyph interactions?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

my wording is kinda iffy above, i mean that they are trying to make it look like they hate eachother so they probably couldn't be aligned.

in other words: trying too hard.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

Well GLG, why should we limit someone to not posting just because some people don't like his posting style? Why shouldn't he just say want he wants? Personally I find it offensive to Ranmaru and just get off your high horse if you have a problem with the way someone posts in a hydra. They will post the way they want to. I love the way July posts and I do admit that sometimes I get confused to what Ranmaru is trying to say and the way Joey posts is unique but just saying "Stfu Ran side, let July/Joey talk for you." is just wrong.

So if I have a problem with the way someone is posting I should tell them to stop talking and let others do it for them?

I want Ran to talk FOR Ran because he is just as accountable for the hydra as the other two regardless of your opinion on him.

(Your is not directed at GLG but the people saying it's a good idea)

Yes Ranmaru is accountable, and that is exactly why he shouldn't post so much. I've already explained at least once in the thread that if Ran didn't post it would significantly lower the chances of them getting mislynched, plus even if it was only for a Day then it would give town a very good opportunity to read their slot. Whereas when Ran plays its impossible to to read him, combining him then with two other players is just even worse. Its the most pro-town option, and that's why I want them to do it. If I was in a hydra and it was made logically clear that the most pro-town thing was for my other head to post, then I would do so.

I know Ran is still accountable, obviously. But do you think Town will have a more accurate read on the hydra if Ran posts or if he doesn't? If he posts we hold him accountable, but that's not necessarily pro-town. Ran has been known to exhibit really scummy behaviour as town, what pro-town benefit is there in letting him do such a thing again as opposed to letting him still have his opinion through his hydra buddies?


@Seikend: What's it called when someone makes an unsubstantiated statement, and upon questioning tries to subtly change their original statement so they can defend against it better?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

yeah..after really looking at the confrontation, BSL sticks out more to me.

unvote vote BSL

 

[#HBC | J]

X1-12, your head is hard to read and is unreadable please only have the GLG side of the hydra post so we can all feel better and it is truly a pro-town initive if you do so.

If you want Ranmaru to not post, put your money where your mouth is.

Btw, are you saying it's bad to be unreadable and that Ranmaru should not post because he confuses you to such a degree you must complain and have his hydra partners post for him. So you are saying July/Joey are easier to read and therefore should be made to post instead of Ran just so you can read?

You do realize this isn't gonna go anywhere and just a limitation to scum-hunting so to add more.

Talk about BSL vs. Glyph for me. What to you think of JTB continueing the Seikend wagon you started? Tell me whatcha think of Asdioh.

 

[Pink Lemonade]

Well GLG, why should we limit someone to not posting just because some people don't like his posting style? Why shouldn't he just say want he wants? Personally I find it offensive to Ranmaru and just get off your high horse if you have a problem with the way someone posts in a hydra. They will post the way they want to. I love the way July posts and I do admit that sometimes I get confused to what Ranmaru is trying to say and the way Joey posts is unique but just saying "Stfu Ran side, let July/Joey talk for you." is just wrong.

So if I have a problem with the way someone is posting I should tell them to stop talking and let others do it for them?

I want Ran to talk FOR Ran because he is just as accountable for the hydra as the other two regardless of your opinion on him.

(Your is not directed at GLG but the people saying it's a good idea)

/rant

It's not fun is all. =3

Truth, especially about it not being fun and the fact that we are all aware we are accountable for what everyone else says and we can all handle that. A few people have weighed in on the idea, mixed opinions, but in the long run all three of us will post of our own accord.

GLG, you seem very concerned about mislynching us. All three of us have been discussing our thoughts/reads with each other and ultimately if we get mislynched its all three of our faults, not just Ran's and we are aware of that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

V/LA until tommorow, this **** is getting on my nerves.

 

[#HBC | J]

I also wanna make question on how you didn't question me on my random vote on Asdioh or the fact that I was null on the JTB vs. Seikend till I saw more, but on the fact that I disagreed with you on the Ran situation.

 

[Seikend]

@Seikend: What's it called when someone makes an unsubstantiated statement, and upon questioning tries to subtly change their original statement so they can defend against it better?

No idea.

10 No ideas.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hey Seikend, what's it called when someone asks an obscure question to a random person who to use it as an offense against someone and tries to make said person look scummy for disagreeing?

 

[Kataefi]

This skin and my eyes O.O

VOTE COUNT!

[3] BSL - KevinM / Toasting Dat Walrus / Soupamario
[3] Glyphmoney - Pink Lemonade / Smargaret / BSL
[2] JTB - Asdioh / Seikend
[2] Smargaret - GandhiLaserGun / Aposl
[1] Asdioh - J
[1] J - Glyphmoney
[1] Seikend - JTB

[0] Pink Lemonade
[0] GandhiLaserGun
[0] KevinM
[0] Toasting Dat Walrus
[0] Soupamario
[0] Aposl

 

[Seikend]

Hey Seikend, what's it called when someone asks an obscure question to a random person who to use it as an offense against someone and tries to make said person look scummy for disagreeing?

You know, I don't know the answer to this either.

GLG, do you know?

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha, glad you got the joke.

 

[JTB]

GLG, you had previously stated that the way Seikend reacted to your early game pressure was evidence of noob scum and I haven't seen you change your stance. Given the exchange between me and Seikend a few pages back, has that stance changed at all?

 

[X1-12]

X1-12, your head is hard to read and is unreadable please only have the GLG side of the hydra post so we can all feel better and it is truly a pro-town initive if you do so.

If you want Ranmaru to not post, put your money where your mouth is.

If I was in a hydra and it was made logically clear that the most pro-town thing was for my other head to post, then I would do so.

I've made it perfectly clear my views on the matter, you should know this.

Btw, are you saying it's bad to be unreadable and that Ranmaru should not post because he confuses you to such a degree you must complain and have his hydra partners post for him. So you are saying July/Joey are easier to read and therefore should be made to post instead of Ran just so you can read?

You do realize this isn't gonna go anywhere and just a limitation to scum-hunting so to add more.

Talk about BSL vs. Glyph for me. What to you think of JTB continueing the Seikend wagon you started? Tell me whatcha think of Asdioh.

I'm saying its clear in the past that Ranmaru's actions have been incredibly scummy, not just to me but to several other players, even when he is town. Why do you keep saying "are you saying...?" Its very clear what I am saying in my posts, saying "are you saying...?" only leaves room for you and others to misinterpret/misunderstand/strawman what I am saying.

Joey and July are easier to read. That means if they are town, we increase our chances to find this out, if they are scum, we increase our chances to find that out. This is good.

Ranmaru is hard to read, and very easy to mis-read. This means if he posts, we reduce the chance to find out whether he is town, and increase the likely hood that we get his alignment wrong. This is bad.


Saying its a 'limitation to scumhunting' is a lie. I've stated that Ran is still going to participate, and I've even suggested methods to make this easier, that Ran scumhunts, looks at what he finds scummy and tells July/Joey about it. Joey/July can then ask the relevant questions only, and advise Ranmaru about why its not worth asking the irrelevant ones. This is pro-town because it creates more concise scumhunting from their slot, it stops other players from having to wade through walls of fluff and instead they can read just the important points. And it will benefit KevinM's scumhunting abilities as he won't be as caught up in every single Ranmaru post.

I have nothing to say on BSLvsGlyph. JTB and Asdioh I've said about both that they're null, possibly scum. I've said I'm going to re-read and when I do I'll give you full stances

@Pink Lemonade: Its cool you all accept responsibility for the hydra's actions, that's how hydras should run. I'm not at this point still pro-ran-not-posting. You refuse to do it because you all signed up to play the game, and that is good enough reasoning, there are limits to what we should sacrifice to achieve our wincon. I'm now just continuing this because I'm interested in why J said it was actually a bad idea, as opposed to just being mean.

I also wanna make question on how you didn't question me on my random vote on Asdioh or the fact that I was null on the JTB vs. Seikend till I saw more, but on the fact that I disagreed with you on the Ran situation.

Sure thing, firstly its not scummy to be null on something until you see more of it, it can just mean that you haven't formed an opinion yet, and wrt your vote on Asdioh, I didn't even really see it, I probably skimmed it as I have much of the thread, however when I saw you post such a bold yet baseless statement, I was instantly curious and had to question you upon it.

@Seik: Did you miss it or do you disagree with me? I asked J why he said its the stupidest thing ever and he comes back saying its mean, which is not what I asked him, nor is it what I originally said. Comment please, and tell us your stances of Me/J based on the recent exchange.

You know, I don't know the answer to this either.

GLG, do you know?

I don't know. What I do know is that posting a baseless stance and failing to appropriately defend against it or give any reasoning for it is scummy, and catching someone who does such a thing is called scumhunting.

@JTB: I don't believe I said that. I'm pretty confident I've been null on Seikend all game. I wagonned him to get a read with no avail, I asked kuz to help me out with the read, and since then (#428) I've stated I'm null on him again. I still am.

 

[JTB]

For those who want reasoning:

Notice here how Seik spends so much saying he has no read on Smar. He says, she's not scummy, but he gets what she's saying, but there's this other thing I'm not sure about, but there's nothing to say she's scum.

So much fluff, this is classic early pressured noob-scum, they don't want to just make short posts so they fluff out anything to make it look like their contributing. If he was town with a clean conscience then he'd just say he's got no read, as opposed to just flapping around saying the same thing 5 times over

This is what I was referring to, plus a few posts prior to that you said he was high on your lynch list.

 

[GandhiLaserGun]

JTB that was just me scaring Seikend, an aggressive post can be as scary as a vote, if not scarier as it shows actual intent to get others to join the wagon, later on it becomes obvious it was a pressure wagon and all my stances from then on in are null on Seik

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm gonna wait to see you extrapolate on your reads since I am seeing mostly null but you said you would go more in depth so I can wait GLG =o I think I'm gonna be quiet for a sec because I think I see something...w.r.t that last post.

JTB, give me your reads on both GLG/Myself, was the little disagreement telling about both of us?

 

[JTB]

I'm rereading right now, so give me a while.

 

[Seikend]

@Seik: Did you miss it or do you disagree with me? I asked J why he said its the stupidest thing ever and he comes back saying its mean, which is not what I asked him, nor is it what I originally said. Comment please, and tell us your stances of Me/J based on the recent exchange.

My bad. I didn't get the question originally.


Your goal is for town to play to their wincon.
J's goal is for players to enjoy the game.

Not allowing Ran to speak looks stupid to J because it opposes his goal for the game, whilst it makes perfect sense to you because it works towards your goal.

Whilst allowing Ran to speak is apparently anti-town (I don't know myself but I'll take your word for it), anti-town isn't always a scumtell.

The exchange is null for me. It's just a difference in beliefs.

 

[#HBC | J]

Wow I like that answer but don't at the same time.

One it seems to be completely right.

But at the same time it is so fence-sitty and doesn't really conflict with neither GLG or Myself.....

blarg head hurt x_x

 

[X1-12]

@Seik: I still don't think you get the question, thanks for answering though. I called J out because he said it was stupid and a bad idea. He then explains himself by saying its mean. This is something I can understand (and sympathise with if you read #552 again), but my issue is not J disagreeing, its the way J defended himself to my question. Several times I've asked him to explain why its dumb (his original stance in #534), yet he has done no such thing, only explained why its mean, or attempted to distract from the matter.


@J: I'd rather that instead of keeping quiet you justified or gave reasoning for your opinion on why it was stupid to ask Ran not to post. Something you've still not explained.

I'm really sorry Kat! I'll try harder!

 

[Seikend]

Wow I like that answer but don't at the same time.

One it seems to be completely right.

But at the same time it is so fence-sitty and doesn't really conflict with neither GLG or Myself.....

blarg head hurt x_x

*shrugs*

I don't think there's any information to get out of the exchange honestly. It's like if you both argued about what the best colour is. I can pick at it all I want but I'm not going to find anything useful from it.

@Seik: I still don't think you get the question, thanks for answering though. I called J out because he said it was stupid and a bad idea. He then explains himself by saying its mean. This is something I can understand (and sympathise with if you read #552 again), but my issue is not J disagreeing, its the way J defended himself to my question. Several times I've asked him to explain why its dumb (his original stance in #534), yet he has done no such thing, only explained why its mean, or attempted to distract from the matter.

I'm with you. I'll explain myself more clearly.

J's thought process

It's mean
Therefore people aren't enjoying themselves
Therefore we are working against J's goal (enjoying the game)
Therefore it's stupid.

Your thought process

It's mean
However it's a more pro-town way to play
Therefore we are working towards X1's goal (achieving the wincon)
Therefore it's not stupid.

To J, it being mean is stupid. By explaining why it's mean, he's explaining why he sees it as stupid.