Best Secondary for Falco.

[Notra]

Unfortunately falco does have gay match-ups. (camping meta, icees) which leave us very little room to defend out bread. (meta can fly over us and steal. Falco is distracted while hitting on nana, and popo steals our precious. marth does marth things for our bread. and g&w eats our pew* pew* defenses.) ANYWAY. IMO id say game and watch, marth, or snake. characters that r strong vs our weaknesses( minus meta) and flashy at the same time.( well not G&W).

I'd say Marth or Meta. (meta is kinda cheating though)

give me your opinions.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I have trouble with G&Ws so I try Snake and Sonic every now and then to beat him. Even Pika's not a bad secondary either.

 

[Notra]

I have trouble with G&Ws so I try Snake and Sonic every now and then to beat him. Even Pika's not a bad secondary either.

only problem w/ pika is most of her bad match ups r ours too.

 

[Emperor Time]

Best-MK A.K.A. Everyone's best secondary
2nd-Marth
3rd-Snake

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

only problem w/ pika is most of her bad match ups r ours too.

I agree, I've mained Pika for a while and I just handled Falco's bad matches better with her.

I'd probably just go with Snake or Marth.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

ZSS.

Covers perfectly

 

[Notra]

ZSS.

Covers perfectly

yeah i noticed that too. but she has a higher learning curve then marth or meta. but still she is good, and isnt a boring char.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

SNAKE covers all of falco's matchups perfectly. hes the ultimate secondary to falco.

snake is ice climbers worst matchup
snake DESTROYS kirby as you all know
snake has the advantage on both marth and GW
snake beats rob

need i say more?

 

[Emperor Time]

Snake is hard to use.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Snake is hard to use.

Lol'd

10lols

 

[SuSa]

Lol'd

10lols

Let me fix that for him:

"Snake is hard to use well enough to beat anyone who's not an idiot"

Also Meta Knight is the "easiest" secondary because he covers all your matchups. It doesn't take as much work to look at every character to see who provides the best overall coverage of your bad matchups.

If MK went 55:50 with all of your 40:60 matchups, but someone else went 60:40 with most of your bad matchups with a few 50:50's, is MK still the best secondary?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Let me fix that for him:

"Snake is hard to use well enough to beat anyone who's not an idiot"

Also Meta Knight is the "easiest" secondary because he covers all your matchups. It doesn't take as much work to look at every character to see who provides the best overall coverage of your bad matchups.

If MK went 55:50 with all of your 40:60 matchups, but someone else went 60:40 with most of your bad matchups with a few 50:50's, is MK still the best secondary?

Snake isn't hard to use, to master him is something else.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Let me fix that for him:

"Snake is hard to use well enough to beat anyone who's not an idiot"

Also Meta Knight is the "easiest" secondary because he covers all your matchups. It doesn't take as much work to look at every character to see who provides the best overall coverage of your bad matchups.

If MK went 55:50 with all of your 40:60 matchups, but someone else went 60:40 with most of your bad matchups with a few 50:50's, is MK still the best secondary?

Probably so, but your question was barely understandable. My head hurts now...

 

[BetaZealot]

I secondary Marth and D3. Some people have said DK is good. I might pick up Snake also.

 

[Juber]

My view on this game has always been to pick a character you like playing and get as good as you possibly can get with that character. I picked Falco, and even though the odds might be against me, I play as Falco. Falco is my main, Falco is my best char, so I dont do the whole matchup thing. Its great to know that certain chars are "most likely" to beat me, but unless its metaknight, to me, its really skill vs skill. A great Falco can beat a good snake, so just get great with Falco. Buuuuuut for the record ZSS is a badass char and I use her when I dont want to piss my friends off with Falco. ^___^;;

 

[dainbramage]

Probably so, but your question was barely understandable. My head hurts now...

As in, MK has universally good matchups, but against certain characters, snake has an easier time. Meanwhile Snake vs DDD/olimar is never going to happen.

In the case of purely against IC's/marf/kirby/G&W, snake (IMO) does better than MK. Falco vs ROB I think is even (EDIT: though MK obviously does a ton better).

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

As in, MK has universally good matchups, but against certain characters, snake has an easier time. Meanwhile Snake vs DDD/olimar is never going to happen.

In the case of purely against IC's/marf/kirby/G&W, snake (IMO) does better than MK. Falco vs ROB I think is even (EDIT: though MK obviously does a ton better).

Now I get it, lol.

It's between Snake and Meta Knight. Ozz has pretty wrapped this thread up.

 

[Praxis]

SNAKE covers all of falco's matchups perfectly. hes the ultimate secondary to falco.

snake is ice climbers worst matchup
snake DESTROYS kirby as you all know
snake has the advantage on both marth and GW
snake beats rob

need i say more?

Snake does not beat ROB, and ROB is Ice Climber's worst matchup.

Otherwise, Snake sounds like the best bet.

MK has no bad matchups, but Snake is his most evenish.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Cough ZSS cough.

Everything except for sheik.

 

[Oreos]

Cough ZSS cough.

Everything except for sheik.

zss is too sexy imma have to start praticing with her and atleast you could have some people confused to the zss matchup while other people are used to fighting Snake, MK, and Falco.

I say falco can still beat sheik or maybe i've just been brawling bad sheiks?

 

[person701]

ANYWAY. IMO id say game and watch, marth, or snake. characters that r strong vs our weaknesses( minus meta) and flashy at the same time.

That's everyone aside from Falco that I use and I don't have problems often.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I say falco can still beat sheik or maybe i've just been brawling bad sheiks?

True, but sheik has a small advantage

 

[C.box]

SNAKE covers all of falco's matchups perfectly. hes the ultimate secondary to falco.

snake is ice climbers worst matchup
snake DESTROYS kirby as you all know
snake has the advantage on both marth and GW
snake beats rob

need i say more?

Snake doesn't beat rob, then there is also pikachu who argueably beast snake too.

Then you have marth

Beats icies.
Tied for kirby's worst match up with icies.
Tied for gaw's worst match up with snake.
Even with himself.
Even with rob.
and is pikachu's worst match up.

While falco himself beats d3, slightly snake, and is evenish with mk aka marth's bad match ups. They work perfectly together.

 

[Notra]

While falco himself beats d3, slightly snake, and is evenish with mk aka marth's bad match ups. They work perfectly together.

falco isnt even w/ mk. only when they arent at the highest lvl of skill. at the highest lvl. falco has no way to kill mk. unless he makes a mistake mk= **** falco. i dont know why ppl think mk is even w/ falco anymore(falco mindgames can only kill him). mk beats falco now.( id say 55:45 or 60:40). Anyway I think that snake would be the best. pikachu isnt an option because he has many of the same bad matchups. snake counters falcos bad match ups harder than meta too. so id say snake for the best secondary.


and snake is hard to learn in comparison to meta, but there r also alot of snake videos and pros that can make it go faster. + for most falcos. we can still be campy. me encanta.

 

[Alphicans]

I secondary/main GaW along side falco. I think gaw is probably the best candidate.

He beats ROB
He beats Kirby
He beats pikachu
He has an easier time with IC (not so sure on the actual match-up)
Both get beaten by marth.
And obviously goes even with GaW. But I don't think falco vs gaw is that bad anyways.

So far marth I usually stay gaw (cause I like that match-up better) or I go MK. Snake gets beaten by ROB, and pika can do some nasty stuff to him.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Marth is another good one.

I like playing Lucario more though. He beats Pika and ties ROB. (This isn't a recommendation, just me)

It's between Marth and Snake now, go for it.

 

[Notrama]

It's between Marth and Snake now, go for it.

i agree...

 

[Vlade]

I want to pick up marth but I suit Metaknight so much more >_>

Plus, Metaknight makes Brinstar and RC not a problem for me

 

[4nace]

I main Falco nowadays with Sonic as my Secondary,
I use Sonic against ICs, Kirby, Sheik and sometimes MK if my Falco gets *****.

 

[PoweredVolt]

Snake or Marth. But play with who you want.

 

[A~Kid/ToonethLinkage]

Toon Links my main and Falco's my secondary, and I don't have any trouble with any matchups, except Marth, but he's not that hard for my Falco IMO. So I got matchups pretty covered.

 

[Messatsu!]

SNAKE covers all of falco's matchups perfectly. hes the ultimate secondary to falco.

snake is ice climbers worst matchup
snake DESTROYS kirby as you all know
snake has the advantage on both marth and GW
snake beats rob

need i say more?

No offense, but why not just MAIN Snake in this case?

I personally like Wolf as a secondary. I know, he gets ***** by Icees, but he goes even with Marth and Kirby. Your not going to get a much better match up against MK besides Falco, unless you just move up the tier list. Other than those I try my best to deal with everything using just Falco.

 

[Notra]

No offense, but why not just MAIN Snake in this case?

I personally like Wolf as a secondary. I know, he gets ***** by Icees, but he goes even with Marth and Kirby. Your not going to get a much better match up against MK besides Falco, unless you just move up the tier list. Other than those I try my best to deal with everything using just Falco.

im pretty sure we decided the match up w/ kirby isnt actually that bad in our rediscussion like 55:45. and its snake as a second. cause we would still be more comfortable w/ falco. id play a g&w or marth w/ falco before snake. just cause im comfortable w/ my char. icees are rly the only match up i have a hard time w/. and im getting better. which is why i see snake or marth as number one.

 

[goodkid]

Falco is considered a top tier character. There is almost no reason why Falco needs a secondary. Look @ DEHF & SK92. They have placed in the top 8 @ national tournaments with Falco solo. If you do have a secondary, I guess Snake wouldn't be so bad. I like Ozz's idea. I have never seen a Falco/Snake combination that actually wins, so maybe Snake could help out Falco.

 

[Notra]

Falco is considered a top tier character. There is almost no reason why Falco needs a secondary. Look @ DEHF & SK92. They have placed in the top 8 @ national tournaments with Falco solo. If you do have a secondary, I guess Snake wouldn't be so bad. I like Ozz's idea. I have never seen a Falco/Snake combination that actually wins, so maybe Snake could help out Falco.

the problem is that i havent seen anyof their videos playing icees. i dont have a wii. nor a friend who plays icees well. i can only do friendlies at tourneys with lain, when he goes to our locals. but anyway. if there were some videos put up of some TOP falcos playin TOP icees. that would be great.

Also it is possible that the can avoid playing icees. u dont have to play every person in the tournament.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

IC and pika are pretty much hopeless matchups.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

Marth doesn't really beat ice climbers, Marth is the easiest character to chain grab and 1-grab is death. Its basically the falco vs ice climbers match-up except with swords. But that's how I feel when I play vs a marth with ice climbers, and my ice climbers isn't that great.

Snake is falco's best secondary, covers most match-ups that you will most commonly see and falco covers snake pretty well too. If not snake, ZZS.

 

[Notra]

Marth doesn't really beat ice climbers, Marth is the easiest character to chain grab and 1-grab is death. Its basically the falco vs ice climbers match-up except with swords. But that's how I feel when I play vs a marth with ice climbers, and my ice climbers isn't that great.

Snake is falco's best secondary, covers most match-ups that you will most commonly see and falco covers snake pretty well too. If not snake, ZZS.

isnt the easiest to chain grab an opinion? my friends say the easiest is meta kirby and jigglypuff. and marth definently is easier vs icees. the sword is in no way the same range as falco.

@xonar i couldnt agree more. i think icees is closer to possible though

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

In MU results, Marth and Falco combo is pretty unbeatable. Any downside for any character is covered up by the other in an even or better MU number. So if you look at Falco, his bad match-ups are Rob, pikachu, g&w, kirby and ICs, Marth still beats them out. And other mains agree that Marth advantages or evens the ICs. So that combo is the best.

The next best one is probably Snake, and in my opinion the better choice. Snake handles MK a lot better than we can. And isn't as destoyed by CPs like we are either. Snake can at least handle MK on say stages like brinstar or RC, when we probably cannot. Marth vs MK is disadvantaged for sure. ICs get beaten, G&W is beaten along with kirby. Plus, pikachu vs Snake is even at best. I've never been CGed by a pikachu as Snake like I have been when using Falco.

The downside to Snake/falco combo is that a number of huge advantages we have turn into Snake's downfall. ZSS gains a 60-40 on Snake, and many believe DDD vs Snake to be 55-45 DDDs favor. But rob still causes us both problems.

So in the end, nothing really changes. Either go Snake or go Marth.

 

[ScubaF_ingSteve]

isnt the easiest to chain grab an opinion? my friends say the easiest is meta kirby and jigglypuff. and marth definently is easier vs icees. the sword is in no way the same range as falco.

@xonar i couldnt agree more. i think icees is closer to possible though

I love metaknight too and hate jiggly, yes its a preference, but in some ice climbers guides, they say a good way to start practicing your chain grabs is to start on marth and falco.

Characters that will be used in Training Mode: I suggest you use Marth because he's pretty much the easiest character to chaingrab for beginners, so let's start.

That's from the ice climbers guide under chain grabbing.