Best Pokemon Gen 8 canditate for Smash?

JaxOnThat · Mar 18, 2020

Personally, I think Dragapult could be a cool character to see. But whatever they do, they should reveal it in basically the same timeslot as they did Hero (beginning of Big E3/June Direct) and follow it with a more heavy-hitting reveal so we don't have another Byleth-esque reaction on our hands.

Noipoi · Mar 18, 2020

JaxOnThat said:
Personally, I think Dragapult could be a cool character to see. But whatever they do, they should reveal it in basically the same timeslot as they did Hero (beginning of Big E3/June Direct) and follow it with a more heavy-hitting reveal so we don't have another Byleth-esque reaction on our hands.

I agree, but I feel like they’ll save the Pokémon for last. Just like always, they’ll have the more crowd pleasing characters up front, to get people to buy passes. And they’ll end on the “lowest note” (though it’ll be a high note for me, a Pokémon obsessive

)

Voodoo7995 · Mar 18, 2020

Okay... Just saw the latest episode of the Twilight Wings anime... And I have to say that wooloo is the only option. As long as one of his taunts is his charaizard face

Mamboo07 · Mar 18, 2020

Found this fan art of good old Toxtricity.

Quillion · Mar 30, 2020

I don't want to make a new thread for this, but I just want to say something: Starters are the FE Lords of Pokémon. They're the most likely characters to get into Smash and the most marketed, but they're also the least interesting.

NeonVoid · Mar 31, 2020

Quillion said:
I don't want to make a new thread for this, but I just want to say something: Starters are the FE Lords of Pokémon. They're the most likely characters to get into Smash and the most marketed, but they're also the least interesting.

Aren't Cinderace and Rillaboom interesting? They both can being uniqueness, while Inteleon is literally just Greninja/Joker.

Ryu Myuutsu · Mar 31, 2020

Quillion said:
I don't want to make a new thread for this, but I just want to say something: Starters are the FE Lords of Pokémon. They're the most likely characters to get into Smash and the most marketed, but they're also the least interesting.

Depends.
Both Greninja and Incineroar stand out even among their peers in design and concept, so being a starter doesn't exactly make them less interesting

Voodoo7995 · Mar 31, 2020

Quillion said:
I don't want to make a new thread for this, but I just want to say something: Starters are the FE Lords of Pokémon. They're the most likely characters to get into Smash and the most marketed, but they're also the least interesting.

Seriously? Typhlosion, Sceptile, Infernape, Eevee, Samurott, Empoleon. Those are some of the most interesting/powerful starters (fully evolved in starter form).

NeonVoid said:
Aren't Cinderace and Rillaboom interesting? They both can being uniqueness, while Inteleon is literally just Greninja/Joker.

That actually sounds interesting and fun. But I feel like they're would still be some good differences, including his g-max form, signiture moves, the fact that he's a spy, not a ninja or thief. I'm also possitive Inteleon isnslower than Greninja, isn't it?

Noipoi · Mar 31, 2020

I think the starters could be interesting.

Cinderace could have a soccer theme. Maybe it wouldn’t attack with it’s hands (except for grabs) like a true soccer player.

A big bruiser of a Gorilla who’s actually more focused on rhythm and timing instead of just punching could also be interesting.

Inteleon is very similar to Greninja, but they could still do something with it’s spy gadgets to set it apart.

Quillion · Mar 31, 2020

When I say "the least interesting", I mean that the starters are inherently less interesting than any other Pokémon. Fire, Grass, and Water are the three most basic types much like how the sword is the most basic weapon in Fire Emblem.

It's a wider net than what Fire Emblem always starts with, but still.

Ryu Myuutsu · Mar 31, 2020

Quillion said:
When I say "the least interesting", I mean that the starters are inherently less interesting than any other Pokémon. Fire, Grass, and Water are the three most basic types much like how the sword is the most basic weapon in Fire Emblem.

It's a wider net than what Fire Emblem always starts with, but still.

The starters are definitely less experimental than other kinds of mons. They don't change formes like Deoxys, they don't have different evolutions like Eevee, most of their abilities don't alter their appearance and they typically don't have different regional variations. In that way, I would agree that by comparison they are less interesting in their homes games.

I don't think that this inherently make them a less interesting pick in Smash though.

NeonVoid · Mar 31, 2020

NeonVoid said:
Aren't Cinderace and Rillaboom interesting? They both can bring uniqueness, while Inteleon is literally just Greninja/Joker.

JaxOnThat · Apr 1, 2020

Quillion said:
I don't want to make a new thread for this, but I just want to say something: Starters are the FE Lords of Pokémon. They're the most likely characters to get into Smash and the most marketed, but they're also the least interesting.

Sure, but Lucario. Why did he get in instead of Empoleon or Infernape?

Quillion · Apr 1, 2020

JaxOnThat said:
Sure, but Lucario. Why did he get in instead of Empoleon or Infernape?

Because the anime was promoting him at the time.

Seemingly as of Gen 6, the franchise as a whole (inc. the anime) isn't promoting anyone aside from the starters or the cover legendaries.

NeonVoid · Apr 2, 2020

Quillion said:
Because the anime was promoting him at the time.

Seemingly as of Gen 6, the franchise as a whole (inc. the anime) isn't promoting anyone aside from the starters or the cover legendaries.

Yeah, that's why I think the anime plays a huge part in deciding a Pokemon in Smash. Lucario got in because of the Mystery of Mew Movie, Greninja got in because hes Ashs first Kalos partner (later to become Ash-Greninja), and Incineroar played a huge part with Ash and the Masked Royal.

I feel like Cinderace could very well happen, given that Scorbunny/Raboot have been promoted as Go's main partner in the anime

iOddish · Apr 5, 2020

NeonVoid said:
Hey guys, so I know that currently (with the announcement of more fighters), it is likely that we will get another Generation 8 representative from Pokemon in Smash Ultimate. The question is, who is the most likely?

I know that some people think it could be Rillaboom (to even out the typings with Greninja and Incineroar)

Some think it may be Cinderace due to its mass popularity and potential movesets

Some people may think Inteleon? (Idk if anyone does given that we already re have Greninja)

I know Toxtricity and Dragapult are very popular, with Toxtricity having an unrevealed g-max form and Dragapult being a strong pseudo legendary.

Who do you guys think would be the best choice for Smash, and why? If I didn't list someone, please feel free to mention them

Easily Sirfetch'd, just imagine getting hit across the stage with a stick.

NeonVoid · Apr 5, 2020

iOddish said:
Easily Sirfetch'd, just imagine getting hit across the stage with a stick.

Not that it wouldn't be cool, but hes a Sword exclusive, and I feel as if Sakurai wouldn't add a Pokemon if it didnt highly promote BOTH of the games. Who knows, maybe Sirfetch'd will have a crucial role later on?

iOddish · Apr 5, 2020

NeonVoid said:
Not that it wouldn't be cool, but hes a Sword exclusive, and I feel as if Sakurai wouldn't add a Pokemon if it didnt highly promote BOTH of the games. Who knows, maybe Sirfetch'd will have a crucial role later on?

Haven't tough of that, just noticed that now.

Cosmic77 · Apr 5, 2020

I doubt a Pokemon being exclusive to one version is something that holds them back from Smash. If Game Freak knows its marketable, and if Sakurai thinks it's unique, then I don't see why they'd instantly rule it out because it would promote one version more than the other. It's still promotion regardless, and it's not like you can't trade with other people to get the Pokemon in any version.

NeonVoid · Apr 6, 2020

Cosmic77 said:
I doubt a Pokemon being exclusive to one version is something that holds them back from Smash. If Game Freak knows its marketable, and if Sakurai thinks it's unique, then I don't see why they'd instantly rule it out because it would promote one version more than the other. It's still promotion regardless, and it's not like you can't trade with other people to get the Pokemon in any version.

Yeah, and that's what I was thinking. I'd love it if version-exclusives were in Smash, it just seems like Sakurai has chosen those who are original fighters and unique in BOTH games. That being said, I would love to have more version-specifics

Noipoi · Apr 6, 2020

So I’ve been thinking. If a Pokémon from Sword and Shield is part of this second fighters pass (and I think that may be the case), while they could announce and release it whenever they want, I feel like the optimal times to do so would be around June or late fall. To coincide with the dlc releases. With that said I wouldn’t be surprised to see a reveal at the June direct or the September direct, as those are closest to the individual expansion pass releases. A September reveal could even release alongside the Crown Tundra, if like Terry they’re announced in September and released in November or so.

But these are just my thoughts, you don’t gotta take this seriously

Cosmic77 · Apr 6, 2020

Noipoi said:
So I’ve been thinking. If a Pokémon from Sword and Shield is part of this second fighters pass (and I think that may be the case), while they could announce and release it whenever they want, I feel like the optimal times to do so would be around June or late fall. To coincide with the dlc releases. With that said I wouldn’t be surprised to see a reveal at the June direct or the September direct, as those are closest to the individual expansion pass releases. A September reveal could even release alongside the Crown Tundra, if like Terry they’re announced in September and released in November or so.

But these are just my thoughts, you don’t gotta take this seriously

They could reveal the character at any time, regardless of whether or not the timing feels right to us.

Byleth would've had absolutely perfect timing if he was given Hero's spot in late July, as his game would've been out for less than a week. Instead, they opted for him being last, meaning he would completely miss the holiday season.

Who knows though. I'd rather know sooner than later, but maybe Sakurai requested to make the character later. This is his first real opportunity to judge a Pokemon's popularity for himself rather than going off of Game Freak's predictions.

NeonVoid · Apr 6, 2020

Cosmic77 said:
They could reveal the character at any time, regardless of whether or not the timing feels right to us.

Byleth would've had absolutely perfect timing if he was given Hero's spot in late July, as his game would've been out for less than a week. Instead, they opted for him being last, meaning he would completely miss the holiday season.

Who knows though. I'd rather know sooner than later, but maybe Sakurai requested to make the character later. This is his first real opportunity to judge a Pokemon's popularity for himself rather than going off of Game Freak's predictions.

If we go by Game Freaks predictions, it will most likely be Cinderace. If not, it might be Dragapult

NeonVoid · Apr 6, 2020

Alright, just updated this page. Please feel free to share with me any movesets you might have and I will put them up on the first page!

Also, there is a new poll if you guys want to vote for the best starter Pokemon for the game, and I will release new polls as time goes by!

NeonVoid · Apr 6, 2020

Also, Noipoi, how did you vote on all four options?

Noipoi · Apr 6, 2020

NeonVoid said:
Also, Noipoi, how did you vote on all four options?

The option was there, and I’m down with all four options, so I did

NeonVoid · Apr 7, 2020

Noipoi said:
The option was there, and I’m down with all four options, so I did

Fair enough answer, I'm not good with polls on this

axel_ · Apr 7, 2020

As far as actual quality picks goes, I think Toxtricity would be best. Its personality would be really fun in Smash, there's plenty you could do move-wise with toxic and electric attacks combined, and the idea of him switching between Amped and Low Key as a stance switching Fighter is just enticing enough.

But overall I would rather we didn't get another Pokemon, let alone one from Gen 8.

NeonVoid · Apr 16, 2020

axel_ said:
As far as actual quality picks goes, I think Toxtricity would be best. Its personality would be really fun in Smash, there's plenty you could do move-wise with toxic and electric attacks combined, and the idea of him switching between Amped and Low Key as a stance switching Fighter is just enticing enough.

But overall I would rather we didn't get another Pokemon, let alone one from Gen 8.

Yeah, he would definitely be fun, but that would probably only happen if he were the fan-favorite of Galar, and that award goes to Dragapult in Googles Pokemon of the Year poll (but then again, they added Incineroar, so anything could happen).

NeonVoid · Apr 16, 2020

I guess the highest wanted Pokemon seems to be Cinderace (not my biased opinion)?

Cinderace for Smash has had more views and replies than any other Pokemon, way more in fact

Pokelego999 · Apr 17, 2020

NeonVoid said:
I guess the highest wanted Pokemon seems to be Cinderace (not my biased opinion)?

Cinderace for Smash has had more views and replies than any other Pokemon, way more in fact

Cosmic77 · Apr 17, 2020

Pokelego999 said:
I might've missed one or two, and I know for a fact Toxtricity's thread is missing. Couldn't find it in the directory so rip. That and Galarian Ponyta.

Here's Toxtricity.

https://smashboards.com/threads/toxtricity-galars-punk-pokemon-for-smash.493988/

The owner of the thread has a link in their signature like me.

Pokelego999 · Apr 17, 2020

Cosmic77 said:
Here's Toxtricity.

https://smashboards.com/threads/toxtricity-galars-punk-pokemon-for-smash.493988/

The owner of the thread has a link in their signature like me.

Oh ok then. That really needs to be added to the directory.

OnyanRings · Apr 17, 2020

Still holding out for a trainer character.
Bea, fighting with her fists and using her fighting type pokemon in her specials is my dream pokemon rep at the moment.

pupNapoleon · Apr 18, 2020

I'm not sure why this is in general and not character discussion. But who really cares right now.

Arcadenik said:
They also care more about the 1st gen label than the Pokémon itself.

I'm going to piggy back on this:

My two big ideas:

- Team Rocket: Uses all sorts of Pokemon mechanics unseen, as a way to cheat. Double/Triiple battles, Pokeball based traps (the use of the actual item itself), Meowth as a figurehead, Wobbuffet deflection.

- Eevee. Base moveset that can be adjusted ONE TIME per battle, which is an evolution mechanic. The same base character would be used for the movesets, but with differing elemental effects (and possibly, one minor difference between each). Different stages/battle styles would allow different evolutions. Meaning- some stages ONLY would allow location based evolution. Some types of battles only would allow stone evolutions. Time of day only could allow Gen2 specifics.

It's ambitious. Either way.

toonito · Apr 18, 2020

OnyanRings said:
Still holding out for a trainer character.
Bea, fighting with her fists and using her fighting type pokemon in her specials is my dream pokemon rep at the moment.

i'm increasingly liking the idea of a trainer who fights since we already have pokemon that fight and a trainer who uses a team of pokemon to fight

Bea whose normals, tilts, and smash attacks could be her fighting while her specials could be her pokemon and her final Smash is either gigantimax Machamp or a duo attack with Machamp

Hawlucha could be her Up Special (Bounce, operates similar to Cloud's Up Special)
Falinks could be her Down Special (Megahorn)
Hitmontop could be her Side Special (Triple Kick, operates similar to Ken's Side Special)
Sirfetch'd could be her Neutral Special (Leaf Blade)
Grapploct could act as her grabs (said to have high gripping strength, operate similar to Peach and Toad)

If Pokemon was to get another rep I'd like it to be Bea

OnyanRings · Apr 18, 2020

pupNapoleon said:
I'm not sure why this is in general and not character discussion. But who really cares right now.

- Eevee. Base moveset that can be adjusted ONE TIME per battle, which is an evolution mechanic. The same base character would be used for the movesets, but with differing elemental effects (and possibly, one minor difference between each). Different stages/battle styles would allow different evolutions. Meaning- some stages ONLY would allow location based evolution. Some types of battles only would allow stone evolutions. Time of day only could allow Gen2 specifics.

It's ambitious. Either way.

That's really interesting, my idea for Eevee would be that you can switch between different forms when using certain moves.

Inspired by Vee (Original character from the manga), an Eevee that's capable of switching forms on the fly because of an experiment conducted by Team Rocket on the poor creature.

But i think your idea would be way more faithful to how Eevee (and pokemon evolution as a whole) actually works.

pupNapoleon · Apr 18, 2020

OnyanRings said:
That's really interesting, my idea for Eevee would be that you can switch between different forms when using certain moves.

Inspired by Vee (Original character from the manga), an Eevee that's capable of switching forms on the fly because of an experiment conducted by Team Rocket on the poor creature.

But i think your idea would be way more faithful to how Eevee (and pokemon evolution as a whole) actually works.

Thanks- I think it would be a cool, standout feature in the game as well!
Not to mention, get us 9+ new Pokemon in the game- ones incredibly beloved. And always be easily updatable in future games- should they choose to keep the character.
Also, all the extra type variation, and 'generation' variation, for whatever that fulfills in some people.

Oh... and it would sell. REALLY well.

Cosmic77 · Apr 18, 2020

Even though it's my second starter choice, it's a little sad to see Inteleon be brought up so little in conversation. It can shoot jets of water like a sniper, it can glide, it has a knife — compared to the other two, it's the only one designed for fighting.

I don't want Inteleon or any starter for that case, but I do think people are dismissing it too early.

Pokelego999 · Apr 18, 2020

Cosmic77 said:
Even though it's my second starter choice, it's a little sad to see Inteleon be brought up so little in conversation. It can shoot jets of water like a sniper, it can glide, it has a knife — compared to the other two, it's the only one designed for fighting.

I don't want Inteleon or any starter for that case, but I do think people are dismissing it too early.

Agreed on that. I may not want it much but it has just as much potential as the other two starters. I've warmed up to its design after awhile.

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