Black Waltz
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Best Movie Ever Created?
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You should probably quit before you waste more hours of your life.
oh, and the greatest movie in history is The Room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCj8sPCWfUw
Thrillhouse-vh.
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Envy was
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mom7
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Just two words. Super bad.
so funy and it seems more realistic that american pie, semms like a story that could happen in real life, so funny.
so funy and it seems more realistic that american pie, semms like a story that could happen in real life, so funny.
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'Love, ****, Lard' is clearly the best short film ever.
And can someone tell me what was so disturbing about A Clockwork Orange? I watched through the entire film (enjoyed it too btw) waiting for something shocking/ disturbing to happen but it never came.
And can someone tell me what was so disturbing about A Clockwork Orange? I watched through the entire film (enjoyed it too btw) waiting for something shocking/ disturbing to happen but it never came.
Blackadder
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Maybe we Australians are a mighty race impervious to shocks and scares!
I always found disturbing things like that interesting. I don't tend to get them either, because I myself am so used to such things flashing on screen or whatever. I've watched so much of that kinda stuff. I was once talking to a friend about how everyone else seems so high strung about movie violence and horror themes and whatever, and he had to actually REMIND me not everyone is as used to it as I am.
I was going somewhere with that. Oh yeah. Clockwork. So, it's about a guy who ***** and kills. Too your average joe... that's pretty fcuekd up stuff.
I always found disturbing things like that interesting. I don't tend to get them either, because I myself am so used to such things flashing on screen or whatever. I've watched so much of that kinda stuff. I was once talking to a friend about how everyone else seems so high strung about movie violence and horror themes and whatever, and he had to actually REMIND me not everyone is as used to it as I am.
I was going somewhere with that. Oh yeah. Clockwork. So, it's about a guy who ***** and kills. Too your average joe... that's pretty fcuekd up stuff.
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Yeah I guess people like you and I must watch enough of that sort of thing to be desensitized to it.
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*Added to must-watch list*
Those skyscrapers look sooo real, and the acting looks sooo awesome.
Spoon!
Blackadder
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I approve.
After saying (demanding?) you watch it next, I suddenly remembered it has its fair share of 'disturbing' bits too -- mainly just the comedic **** scene.
Glad you enjoyed it though. Timeless film. You can get a bit more out of it if you watch Reservoir Dogs, too. They have the same vibe and feel.
I sometimes wonder if that's such a good thing, but I find it makes me more accepting and open minded of things. Yay!
Thrillhouse-vh.
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The only time I ever heard anyone call A Clockwork Orange "disturbing" was the overly right-wing, christian loving, Bush supporting, etc., freshman at school last year. Anybody else, however, will see past his deeds and find the deeper points of novel and movie. Most people against it justify that Alex is a perfect candidate and people like him are a reason that Capital Punishment should be allowed. Do they even realize they're the people who would support the government Burges and even Kubrick built up as the epitome of evil?
Blackadder
Smash Master
Every second movie gains 'fans' that just don't get it, and often they're the exact things the film takes harsh shots at. Doesn't even have to be subtle shots, you can count on some **** missing the point. It's insane.
... Tell ya what, just look at this list:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedFandom
... Tell ya what, just look at this list:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedFandom
Albert.
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I'm sorry but A Clockwork Orange is awful. It's violence porn masquerading as a "deep movie with important themes and messages"
yeah thats all BS
And if you're gonna search really really hard for those messages that may or may not have been intended? What do you really have? Nothing really useful. Its one of those "Hey society is ****ed up... yep. "
Sorry, just my opinion
BTW my candidate for best movie is Princess Mononoke
Edit: PS I'm not right-wing christian at all I'm a liberal atheist.
yeah thats all BS
And if you're gonna search really really hard for those messages that may or may not have been intended? What do you really have? Nothing really useful. Its one of those "Hey society is ****ed up... yep. "
Sorry, just my opinion
BTW my candidate for best movie is Princess Mononoke
Edit: PS I'm not right-wing christian at all I'm a liberal atheist.
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The movie is based on a book that was far more disturbing, and those themes were the exact intentions of the writer. It's all there if you actually watch and Kubrick aimed to achieve that and did.
The idea that people could accidentally read something into an "empty Kubrick" film is laughable. If anything, his films have subtleties that escape most people.
The "violence porn" was completely necessary, actually, considering the film's intention was to create a real monster and then make that same monster sympathetic under the cruelty of the system. If that didn't quite succeed for you is one thing, but to say the subtext isn't there makes you look pretty dense.
The "violence porn" was completely necessary, actually, considering the film's intention was to create a real monster and then make that same monster sympathetic under the cruelty of the system. If that didn't quite succeed for you is one thing, but to say the subtext isn't there makes you look pretty dense.
Albert.
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I never said that the subtext wasn't there...
If you find satisfaction in those pointless metaphors than good for you.
To me the movie seems like depressing narcissistic self-defeating drivel.
congratulations to any of you on finding worth in the cinematic equivalent of a pure crap.
"best movie ever created" is obviously impossible to define but Clockwork doesn't fit.
If you find satisfaction in those pointless metaphors than good for you.
To me the movie seems like depressing narcissistic self-defeating drivel.
congratulations to any of you on finding worth in the cinematic equivalent of a pure crap.
"best movie ever created" is obviously impossible to define but Clockwork doesn't fit.
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
Like that's any better.
Did you get any of the sub-text, symbolism, imagery, themes, etc., in Mononoke by any chance? There's a lot more in Mononoke than CO.
Blackadder
Smash Master
Thank you!
On one hand I'd like to say it's a little odd that in your first post on the film you mentioned "But that's just my opinion" before eventually devolving into straight out "it's crap because I say so and anyone who likes it desevres to be patronized."
But that's just my opinion.
Seriously though, as I mentioned before and as others have said, you've got to... look right passed the shock value. The film is a point on free will and the ethics that come into play from it. I'd go deeper and all, but that ruins my own point.
You can't go around assuming something isn't art or doesn't have a meaning because of any 'offensive' content it contains. Open your mind to it. Really, there's art in violence. The film even plays with that idea, Alex and his gang have turned killings and **** into a kind of grand theatrics. Why do just plain violence when you can do it in a funny suite and with a sense of urban grace!? Wee!
Wait, I'm rambling. EE made another fine point -- without the violence and the other horrid images the movie presents, the film simply wouldn't work. The viewer wouldn't question if they should feel sorry for Alex or not if his crimes were teasing a small child once or twice. The film wouldn't hit as hard as it does. I wouldn't lose my train of thought again.
I guess I'm trying to suggest you don't base opinions soley on a work of art just because you think it's got icky stuff in it. I think.
SkylerOcon
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Wuss
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a clockwork orange is not the best movie ever made in my opinion, but blackadder is right (jeez that avatar is creepy). art is whatever you need it to be. you can't call anything not art. If I took a sh** on a canvas and said it was art, hey, it would be. A clockwork orange certainly is a good movie and is definitely art because of the emotions and feelings it creates in pretty much anyone that watches it.
One of my favorite movies is The Dead Poets Society. Crying is not an option at the end of this movie, jesus it is sad. but yea, a lot of great movies out there. Fight Club, Donnie Darko, Pulp Fiction on the less serious and sad side.
One of my favorite movies is The Dead Poets Society. Crying is not an option at the end of this movie, jesus it is sad. but yea, a lot of great movies out there. Fight Club, Donnie Darko, Pulp Fiction on the less serious and sad side.
I still stand by Blade Runner to be the best film of all time. I won't accuse Clockwork Orange because I've no point to. Blade Runner, however, delves deeper into the ultimate "what is a human" question than any other film I've ever had the pleasure of viewing, and that question and all things relative to it are probably the most important targets than an [human] artist can challenge.
Ridley Scott captured Philip K. Dick's ideas flawlessly.
Ridley Scott captured Philip K. Dick's ideas flawlessly.
Thrillhouse-vh.
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Blade Runner actually excludes the entire idea of religion Dick had in Androids with Mercerism and the media, but it remains the best movie to encompass existentialism. Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? also is the best book to do so.
Blackadder
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I should probably clarify that I don't think Clockwork is the best film ever. Just a good one. ^^
I've never seen Blade Runner. No, seriously. I've been meaning to for a good few years now, but I've just NEVER gotten around to it. Or Indiana Jones. Harrison Ford must think very low of me.
I just watched Beetlejuice. Checking online, I've been told I should watch it over a few times. I enjoyed it, but I'll try letting it grow on me. I'm honestly confused as to why it's name after a character that gets about 20 minutes of screentime.
Which is sad, because I really enjoyed Keaton's performance.
I've never seen Blade Runner. No, seriously. I've been meaning to for a good few years now, but I've just NEVER gotten around to it. Or Indiana Jones. Harrison Ford must think very low of me.
I just watched Beetlejuice. Checking online, I've been told I should watch it over a few times. I enjoyed it, but I'll try letting it grow on me. I'm honestly confused as to why it's name after a character that gets about 20 minutes of screentime.
Which is sad, because I really enjoyed Keaton's performance.
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
Get the 1992 Director's Cut version of Blade Runner. That's the best version. Final Cut is okay, but the rest range from mediocre to awful. This may be because I saw the Director's Cut first, but the theatrical version is just ****. No nice way to say it.
I still haven't watched my Final Cut yet. Good thing I saw that message before selling my Director's Cut, although considering FC is the genuine director's cut, one might say it is still the definitive Blade Runner cut, since it is what is intended.
As for Mercerism, it's funny you would mention that bit, because I was falling from any ability to believe in my religion as I read DADoES, and Dick effectively softened the blow one no doubt feels when they lose faith and wonder what of it was real or worthwhile. Now that's chicken soup for the soul.
That said, it's the kind of thing that is lost in translation from books to film. A good book creates and develops a world. A good movie shows you as much of that world as it can without becoming overly long. Mercerism would have hurt the film in the length department, and while books are encouraged to tackle more than one huge aspect of society and humanity, films typically suffer when they don't pick one and stick by it. Mercerism alone is enough for an entire film.
As for what a poor Harrison Ford fan Blackadder is, I believe it was said once that Ford wasn't a very big fan of the character he was playing, a "detective that didn't detect". While I couldn't disagree more, one might say that he channeled this inertia and uncertainty into his portrayal of the character, someone doing something he doesn't want to do, and questioning it every step of the way, to growing extents.
The more you know.
As for Mercerism, it's funny you would mention that bit, because I was falling from any ability to believe in my religion as I read DADoES, and Dick effectively softened the blow one no doubt feels when they lose faith and wonder what of it was real or worthwhile. Now that's chicken soup for the soul.
That said, it's the kind of thing that is lost in translation from books to film. A good book creates and develops a world. A good movie shows you as much of that world as it can without becoming overly long. Mercerism would have hurt the film in the length department, and while books are encouraged to tackle more than one huge aspect of society and humanity, films typically suffer when they don't pick one and stick by it. Mercerism alone is enough for an entire film.
As for what a poor Harrison Ford fan Blackadder is, I believe it was said once that Ford wasn't a very big fan of the character he was playing, a "detective that didn't detect". While I couldn't disagree more, one might say that he channeled this inertia and uncertainty into his portrayal of the character, someone doing something he doesn't want to do, and questioning it every step of the way, to growing extents.
The more you know.
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
You can't really trust Harrison Ford's opinion on the film, Ridley Scott purposely didn't tell him that he was
Ironically, this also adds stuff that Harrison Ford probably would have ruined otherwise in his character. Scott knew what he was doing with DADoES, he left out what he didn't want to touch on purpose, I trust.
The real "Director's Cut" is..... the "Director's Cut." The Final Cut is adding onto Scott's original vision, but by adding he takes away from his film. To anyone who is wondering why there are so many cuts: If you wanted the Director's Cut to be released, but the producers forced the Theatrical Cut to be released, you'd be pissed too.
playing a Replicant, he was destined not to get the deeper meanings of his character.
The real "Director's Cut" is..... the "Director's Cut." The Final Cut is adding onto Scott's original vision, but by adding he takes away from his film. To anyone who is wondering why there are so many cuts: If you wanted the Director's Cut to be released, but the producers forced the Theatrical Cut to be released, you'd be pissed too.
The Final Cut is cited as what Scott intended, though. The Director's Cut was basically just salvaging the unicorn dream and ditching the monologue. The Final Cut is the one he actually got to sit down and think over. T
he DC obviously beats the pants off of that awful theatrical version though ... I mean, why bother hiring an actor who does so much with his facial expression and body language if he's going to spell out every thought and emotion that comes through his head? I suppose the producers argued that it'd help the neo-neo-noir flavor of the film, but they also should have seen what garbage it was and let Scott do his thing.
he DC obviously beats the pants off of that awful theatrical version though ... I mean, why bother hiring an actor who does so much with his facial expression and body language if he's going to spell out every thought and emotion that comes through his head? I suppose the producers argued that it'd help the neo-neo-noir flavor of the film, but they also should have seen what garbage it was and let Scott do his thing.
Albert.
Smash Master
yes of course!
lol
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
Not entirely true. Seven Samurai is one of the few movies over 200 minutes worth watching.
Isn't Kurosawa considered one of the greatest film makers of all time?
Isn't Kurosawa considered one of the greatest film makers of all time?
highandmightyjoe
Smash Ace
Seven Samurai is very very easily one of the greatest films of all time. Kurosawas work directly influenced several great films most notably Star Wars, which is heavily influenced by Seven Samurai. The Magnificient Seven is a remake of Seven Samurai, and Fistful of Dollars is a remake of Yojimbo. In fact most westerns in general are inspired by Kurosawa's Samurai films. Easily one of the most influential directors of all time.
Blackadder
Smash Master
I guess I'll keep all that in mind when I finally watch Bladerunner Director's Cut, yeah?
Anyways, I'm interested here. What exactly makes a great film (or even a masterpiece)?
What elements need to be present? What is it that makes some films so brilliant?
Serious question there. I'm deeply interested.
Anyways, I'm interested here. What exactly makes a great film (or even a masterpiece)?
What elements need to be present? What is it that makes some films so brilliant?
Serious question there. I'm deeply interested.
A film needs vision. That doesn't mean it has to be epic in scope, like Blade Runner or Lawrence of Arabia, but it needs to have that whole lovingly crafted feel to it. The cinematography has to enrich the film by providing the necessary atmosphere. The actors must play their parts to every crossed T. The shot angling and timing has to draw you in without drawing attention to itself. The music needs to supplement it. Above all, the film has to really, truly accomplish what it intended to -- whatever that may be.
If this movie existed, it would be the best movie ever created.
JLynn943
Smash Ace
Well, in my opinion, The Departed is the best. Everything about it is just fantastic.
Also, I'm kind of disappointed that no one has mentioned Children of Men. The plot is interesting, it has some very unexpected twists, and great cinematography. It also has probably the most intense scene I've ever seen in a movie (if you've seen the movie, you probably know what I'm referring to). Definitely my second favorite movie.
I also love Fight Club and The Dark Knight
Also, I'm kind of disappointed that no one has mentioned Children of Men. The plot is interesting, it has some very unexpected twists, and great cinematography. It also has probably the most intense scene I've ever seen in a movie (if you've seen the movie, you probably know what I'm referring to). Definitely my second favorite movie.
I also love Fight Club and The Dark Knight