Azure Rune
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Being a "Low Tier Player" does not make you unique or honorable.
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GreyFox86
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=/ you cant really pin anything on the person for using a high tier character
inna game like that you need to say to yourself 'if i want the win high tier is for me'
i play with lowtier characters all the time and will defend them till hell freezes over
but i realized that lowtier in this game is meant for lowtier tournys
the past 2 tournys ive been to i lost the first round cause it was tiered based
my zelda against some high tier
plus this is %aged based and not health based
inna game like that you need to say to yourself 'if i want the win high tier is for me'
i play with lowtier characters all the time and will defend them till hell freezes over
but i realized that lowtier in this game is meant for lowtier tournys
the past 2 tournys ive been to i lost the first round cause it was tiered based
my zelda against some high tier
plus this is %aged based and not health based
But hell HAS frozen over heres ur proof:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their faith, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can reliably project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls
enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase
until all Hell breaks loose.
2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in
Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell
freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my freshman year that, "it will be a cold night in Hell before I sleep with you, and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
TADA
srry, i just had to show this
Azure Rune
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Blackshadow
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^^^^^
That thing about Hell freezing over wasn't his idea, I read that same thing in a book once, it was supposedly a report a guy submitted to his professor and he was the only onein his class to get an A+ or something like that.
That thing about Hell freezing over wasn't his idea, I read that same thing in a book once, it was supposedly a report a guy submitted to his professor and he was the only onein his class to get an A+ or something like that.
As a general rule -
Scrubs and noobs can't play low tiers well, because they're scrubs and/or noobs.
Amateur players can't play low tiers very well, however they have much more knowledge of the game than their sparring partners generally.
Good players can play low tiers well, and can take other good players' high tiered characters with their low tiered ones.
Awesome players who have really good mindgames and knowledge of the game can play pretty much any character. They just choose the top tiers because they're better.
There are exceptions to these rules, but for the most part they hold.
>_> This thread is too long, and I'm adding to it x_x
Scrubs and noobs can't play low tiers well, because they're scrubs and/or noobs.
Amateur players can't play low tiers very well, however they have much more knowledge of the game than their sparring partners generally.
Good players can play low tiers well, and can take other good players' high tiered characters with their low tiered ones.
Awesome players who have really good mindgames and knowledge of the game can play pretty much any character. They just choose the top tiers because they're better.
There are exceptions to these rules, but for the most part they hold.
>_> This thread is too long, and I'm adding to it x_x
that 1 guy
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Oh yeah, I've seen this before. I believe the full essay was a little longer and the conclusion was different. THIEF
mood4food77
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or course not, link is way too slow for me and i don't like the use of projectiles, i use ganon and i still don't get how link has the advantage over ganon, ganon has everything but projectile and grab reach and ganon still has grab combo's
Ganon is definately slower than Link
Yes, he has grab combos...and what else? Link outspaces Ganon's moves, he has spam, a good edgeguarding game (and consider the fact that Ganon is easy to edgeguard), good setups and juggles, blah blah.
mood4food77
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ganon is faster than link, wavedashing and dance dancing really help, ganon i find is harder to edgegaurd than link, i only get edgegaurded if i'm way above the ledge, ganon can play better mindgames, i can see link having the advantage over ganon on FD (no platforms to help ganon), yoshi's island, and fountain of dreams (where the side blast lines are close), but anywhere else i feel is in ganon's favor, yes link has the projectiles but ganon's standing a stops all of them
shminkledorf
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Ganon's recovery is only really good against characters whose edgeguarding has a somewhat upwards trajectory, like Marth. Other characters he gets owned. Also, the projectiels aren't necessarily there to damage ganon, but they control where he goes and what he does, helping ot make him predictable.
mood4food77
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i guess it's me then, because my ganon doesn't get edgegaurded often
oh well, i only use low tier if my friends suck and i don't feel like ****** them (i beat my friend's peach with every character so far....except samus, yoshi and peach)
nice sig shminkledorf^^
oh well, i only use low tier if my friends suck and i don't feel like ****** them (i beat my friend's peach with every character so far....except samus, yoshi and peach)
nice sig shminkledorf^^
Ceriph
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So chess with only pawns and a king, that would suck.
So, picking bowser against any character to win, that would suck as well.
I can beat the bowsers around here with a pichu, or even a pretty mean y link who I don't consider bad, but bowser could knock them into the sky with a good hit. So the bowsers around here suck, but there is one player who ***** with every character except bowser, and I can beat his bowser, so yes, I agree with magnum and gimpy here; picking bowser, pretty much sets you up to lose.
So, picking bowser against any character to win, that would suck as well.
I can beat the bowsers around here with a pichu, or even a pretty mean y link who I don't consider bad, but bowser could knock them into the sky with a good hit. So the bowsers around here suck, but there is one player who ***** with every character except bowser, and I can beat his bowser, so yes, I agree with magnum and gimpy here; picking bowser, pretty much sets you up to lose.
Dragonstar101
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To me personally the tier list means nothing to me. It is really all about mindgames!
I can play good with every character except bowser and mewtwo. And the only reason why I dont know how to play with those two yet is because I just never really "tried them out"
yet. Ive owned peaches at high level of play with my link. every character is a beast you just have to unlock its hidden power!
I can play good with every character except bowser and mewtwo. And the only reason why I dont know how to play with those two yet is because I just never really "tried them out"
yet. Ive owned peaches at high level of play with my link. every character is a beast you just have to unlock its hidden power!
mood4food77
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link has an advantage over peach
the tier list shows how easy it is to play a character in a tournament, and how high they place on average, so fox and falco have a much easier time in tournaments than pichu and mewtwo, it does show resemblence of the overall character match-ups too, like i think almost all the ganon-users think ganon should be above doc because he does better against every character except for fox, falco, sheik, pika, and kirby. i feel that way, taht is the only thing i don't like about this tier list
the tier list shows how easy it is to play a character in a tournament, and how high they place on average, so fox and falco have a much easier time in tournaments than pichu and mewtwo, it does show resemblence of the overall character match-ups too, like i think almost all the ganon-users think ganon should be above doc because he does better against every character except for fox, falco, sheik, pika, and kirby. i feel that way, taht is the only thing i don't like about this tier list
`Jammin' Jobus
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I also dislike the assumption that people solely play high tiered characters because of their tier placements.
I've always liked Fox, even before I knew any of the advanced techs or tier lists.
Just because someone uses a high tier doesn't mean they only play to win. Playing a good character makes it fun too.
I've always liked Fox, even before I knew any of the advanced techs or tier lists.
Just because someone uses a high tier doesn't mean they only play to win. Playing a good character makes it fun too.
Dragonboy2k4
Smash Ace
Bingo,as they dont mean anything to me either.The game comes down to the skill of the person,not the character.Because if the #1 rank guy could destory you with a "top tier"character,he can probably do the same exact thing with a "lower tier"character.Knowledge people,not basing characters on tournment results or crowd favorites.
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The tier list starts to have more meaning as you gain more experience. I used to hate the tier list. Now I am reverent in its presence.
Rapid_Assassin
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And there's a Bowser around here that can beat just about everyone with him. I'm willing to bet you'd lose to his bowser too. That doesn't make bowser good however, he's just a good player.
Link does really well vs. peach, not to mention that peach player sucks, and you have no idea what mind games are. Unless that peach goes by vidjo then that means nothing. Aside from the fact that it really has no meaning in the first place.
just because someone agrees with your point of view doesn't make it correct. Just because Azen could **** you with bowser doesn't mean a thing, if all the characters are equal why don't we see Azen going bowser vs. ken's marth? Or king's jigglypuff, or PC chris' fox? Honestly, stop being so naive.
Yo-Yo is amazing.
HoChiMinhTrail
Smash Master
and for the record Azen has gone all low tier in major tournies before..... and was owned when he came up against the better players.
ToP CaT
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there are better players than azen....or he would be #1
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qft
sometimes the simplest answer is the best one
in tournaments: higher teirs are more secure (if your looking for the win)
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But when Azen plays low tier against just about anyone in the top 30/40 in the country, he either loses or comes really close to losing. Low tiers aren't good in tourneys, and Azen plays mostly mid tier anyway(Luigi+Zelda).
Cort
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ToP CaT
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Exactly lets cut it at this, play low tiers if you want because they are your favorites or because they are fun. w/e the reason do not use the fact that you use low tiers as an excuse for why you lose. If winning is that important to you than I suggest you pick up a higher tier character and quit making excuses. Do your thing and win with lower tiers if its possible but dont expect to be jocked for it.
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Meh, on the new tier list yeah, they both used to be mid.
ToP CaT
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controlfreak7
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my concern with how much you put into a character fits perfectly into the concept of low tier characters. Tell me if link is a noob character (as in spamming u-b) and that works really well why not use it? It is the concept of not doing the best thing when it is right in front of you, but everyone has this concept of 'gayness' in their mind.
truth be told link could be put to good use if players sometimes spam u-b.
I play against someone and I u-throw them at low % with fox and then u-smash them, sometimes they 'let' me go in for another u-smash, but I always go in with something that doesn't work as well or fails.
The question is if all you had to do to win a match was smash would you do it? The concept of doing anything seems always limited by almost everyone that plays the game.
I mean there is nothing wrong if somethings like this never end up occuring to you in a match, but sometimes they seem to be true and still the person who realizes it won't use it.
truth be told link could be put to good use if players sometimes spam u-b.
I play against someone and I u-throw them at low % with fox and then u-smash them, sometimes they 'let' me go in for another u-smash, but I always go in with something that doesn't work as well or fails.
The question is if all you had to do to win a match was smash would you do it? The concept of doing anything seems always limited by almost everyone that plays the game.
I mean there is nothing wrong if somethings like this never end up occuring to you in a match, but sometimes they seem to be true and still the person who realizes it won't use it.
nitro-blazer
Smash Lord
Link's Up B, if spammed, will get you punished. If it hits, good for you. If it misses, you get punished for it. Depending on your opponent, even lose a stock. If Up -B didn't have lag, you could cancel it when you wanted, and was unpunishable, then good players would, without a doubt, spam the hell out of it. Look at the shine, or (I'm not sure about this one) Bowsers Fortress.
People don't use moves because they think it's gay, or cheap. They avoid the moves because they are detrimental. Link's Up B is an okay move, semi spike, and has good power behind it. But it has it's risks, and each time you use it, you run the risk of it failing.
Fox's shine, however, if fast, effective, and not exactly easy to punish. Expecially in the hands of a good player.
People don't use moves because they think it's gay, or cheap. They avoid the moves because they are detrimental. Link's Up B is an okay move, semi spike, and has good power behind it. But it has it's risks, and each time you use it, you run the risk of it failing.
Fox's shine, however, if fast, effective, and not exactly easy to punish. Expecially in the hands of a good player.
shinehex
Smash Lord
Why the hell is Luigi low tier now?
HoChiMinhTrail
Smash Master
get froooooooooeeeeeeddd
controlfreak7
Smash Ace
Which explains why people generally get angry when they get beat by u-b spamming links. It happens and the reason why it happens is that it can be useful in some cases. You never run the risk of it failing by the edge when your opponent is below you. It lasts as long as **** and if ss you can get an instant low percent ko. **** like this is so underrated.
So you are saying it isn't exactly easy to punish the shine, I say it isn't as hard as people think it is. People develop comfort zones of not having to deal with a fox or something and go to tourneys expecting to be everyone to be as simple as **** except for those they know are good.
**** is ****ing underrated all the time, pros sometimes have their limits, but their mindgames is make it matter very little.
Seriously, if you could smash the whole time and win, you should do it, the point is for some odd reason it isn't easy (not for everyone at least) to do, cause some fear of someone else attacking you for it comes up. Look at Wobbles, he will do anything to win and doesn't give a **** if people call him cheap. If only I was like that
because Fox and Falco created their own tier...most of the characters in low tier are in the same numbered positions that they were in back in the old tier list lol