Bear and Fish 11: Over. Everyone loses, Town loses a little less

[th3kuzinator]

I thought Acrostic was indie - and how Kuz seemed to side with me a little earlier toDay (like what I did with J) and now has an FoS on me reeks of opportunism. Kuz, why am I scummy?

Who is this acrostic person? If you meant my earlier posts, please reference them and share with us which ones you think made me look indy. That would be super! ^_^

Also explain to me the siding with you business? The only posts I have done earlier toDay was my long one and the one agreeing with ryu. In my long post the only thing I agreed about is that we should use Days to find potential scum instead of lynching in-actives. Throwing that weak defense back in my face is too loosly constructed to even be OMGUS. You have absolutely nothing on me except the fact that I 'sided' you and then FoS'd you. Stop drawing at straws, you cornered scum, you.

Why do I think your scum? Because you're Swiss.

Vote Swiss

Savage took the vote of swiss so ill keep at L-1. If you hammer, you're scum. kthx

Oh, and if Swiss flips town, I would love for people to look at me toMorrow. I would enjoy nothing more.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh and before you even question me about not joining the grump wagon, I already explained that I feel going after a potential scum lead > lynching inactives.

Right now, I think that potential scum lead is Swiss.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh, nevermind. X1 voted Swiss twice, so he is still at L-2

what a rascal.

 

[Swiss]

So I'm happy with my Kuz read still. Good.

Now I only have to convince Kuz to lynch Grump before me. Should be easy considering.

Dourin keeps viweing the thread. Is she trying to tell me something? I think she is. Lynch Grump? K.

Gah, Nabe, tell me why that kill wasn't your handywork, that's not a noobscum night kill.

 

[X1-12]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11860145&postcount=205

J re-read that and then go back to voting Swiss plz. L-1 is a good position for him. We can deal with grump later

 

[Swiss]

Fine. Have it your way. 5 mins and I'll rip you down to size.

And seriously, learn to read people. You have to be right when you play like this. No point being assertive if you won't win the game, you just look like an idiot. You called me scum in FFVI for bad reasons, I called you town. I was right, you were wrong. Just a reminder.

 

[Swiss]

Well you may take it to be a joke, but why? You're giving him a free pass that he shouldn't get. He has been inactive and he knows to only join games he has the time for, he is intentionally lurking. You shouldn't be prioritising games based on activity, this game has a deadline in 2 days and you should be playing it.

Yet you do not lynch Grump for 'inactivity' even when Cello contributed more. I pointed out that I also lurked because of another game, so I wasn't taking it as a scum tell because I did it as town.

Did you not factor in deadline approaching? I wont lynch grump, Cello needs to go toDay. There's no reason to put off lynching scum till toMorrow.

Up until Cello outed himself he WASN'T confirmed scum. You have his meta WRONG and got lucky (see DnD)/

Dats not how u play dis game bro' and its supa scummeh wif deadline in 2 daiz ya dig?

Filler.

This is also super scummy. To clarify here he is talking about about a game where someone fakeclaimed Night 0 cop on someone else and the ensuing discussion was extremely pro-town. Swiss wants this to not occur because of personal reasons

No, I don't want you to do it because

1) I am sick of that play. If I'd known how often people would have copied it I'd never have done it in Oddworld.

2) It's a poor play unless used properly. I don't think you can do it well, I think you can hit lucky on a new scum, but there are other ways to do that - make up your own play. It's a hit and run tactic, not a OMG D2 I STILL CLAIM IT.


Yes I'm irritated. Poor play irritates me. I think you need to take another look at yourself as a player and decide how YOU want to play, and create that.

 

[giraffelasergun]

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Unvote
Vote: Grump

Why are you voting grump?

Also, does anyone else find it wierd that ryunnosuke found it necessary to comment on how we lost a townie last night?

 

[Swiss]

Why are you voting grump?

Also, does anyone else find it wierd that ryunnosuke found it necessary to comment on how we lost a townie last night?

He means "pity it was that townie" as opposed to "pity they were townie"

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

*FACEFLOOR*

Grawr, REALLY GLG?! Are you doing this to try and get Larxy even madder at you? That is what you post? THAT

Also I have stated before why I am voting for Grump (yesterDay)

However one thing. I agree with the sentiment of Ryunn making a comment however not much on it.

I really need to go do that case now....

 

[X1-12]

Because both me and you know very well the Cello only lurks as scum. Giving him a free pass when he is lurking is just letting a scum player live for longer. Anti-town, where is the townie intent here?

I thought I was going to replace into DnD and read the first ~300 posts or so and just checked the notes I made and have cello down as scum. I also have you down as scum for not realising he was scum. It turns out you were just wrong

How is pointing out that you are anti-town by not actively contributing, filler? Filler is when you post things that are repeating yourself or off topic. You not playing the game properly is anti-town and pointing it out is helpful.

IDC if you are sick of that play, it was pro-town and worked well, your personal feelings shouldn't get in the way of your faction losing, suck it up.

All through the time I've been calling your scummy, you've just been calling be a bad player to discredit my points.

 

[X1-12]

goin out, more in a bit

 

[Swiss]

Because both me and you know very well the Cello only lurks as scum. Giving him a free pass when he is lurking is just letting a scum player live for longer. Anti-town, where is the townie intent here?

I thought I was going to replace into DnD and read the first ~300 posts or so and just checked the notes I made and have cello down as scum. I also have you down as scum for not realising he was scum. It turns out you were just wrong

Cello was town. This nullifies EVERYTHING you have just said.

How is pointing out that you are anti-town by not actively contributing, filler? Filler is when you post things that are repeating yourself or off topic. You not playing the game properly is anti-town and pointing it out is helpful.

It was filler because your points were baseless.

IDC if you are sick of that play, it was pro-town and worked well, your personal feelings shouldn't get in the way of your faction losing, suck it up.

Lol, you're saying this to me? Also, I've explained it why it shouldn't have worked. How about you go get your own play style instead of copying me?

All through the time I've been calling your scummy, you've just been calling be a bad player to discredit my points.

I'm calling you a bad player because I AM RIGHT and as such you are WRONG. See how I'm NOT OMGUS'ing you? Because I am better than you.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

This argument, lol.
Swiss is a great lynch toDay. Kuz or GLG would be better in a D2. Preferably Kuz, since GLG is playing to his town which happens to coincide with being terrible and contributing nothing at all. Kuz is gut, I'll find my reasoning in a bit. It's probably not the same reasoning as you, Swiss.

Would love a claim from Swiss, though. Character at least.

explain this last line. ngl it sounds like you are a snake, which flavour leads me to call you indy

Some snakes are poisonous and they're a common creature. If there had been an indy poisoner, which Cello's flip seems to have shot down, snake would've been a good bet. Not sure what the motive to crumbing indy snake would have been but whatever.

Gah, Nabe, tell me why that kill wasn't your handywork, that's not a noobscum night kill.

I actually have a bit of a theory on the motive, but first I'd like you to go into more detail about why this kill wasn't noobscum.

And seriously, learn to read people. You have to be right when you play like this. No point being assertive if you won't win the game, you just look like an idiot. You called me scum in FFVI for bad reasons, I called you town. I was right, you were wrong. Just a reminder.

Callin' out that FF6 ohoho
Obviously not addressed to me though, since you know I think I was right in that game.

 

[Swiss]

I am a bear, VT.

Kill wasn't noobscum because Dourin wasn't a direct threat to scum.

More when I'm not watching a film.

 

[#HBC | J]

Please do not do anything else (i.e. Lynch Swissy yet) I have a post incoming on the hydra account that is what both sides of the hydra agree with.

Callin' out that FF6 ohoho
Obviously not addressed to me though, since you know I think I was right in that game.

Personally, I found this hilarious.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Just to let you Nabe, I am town. Please make a case against me though, I would like to see what you can come up with. Dont trust your gut reactions on me. You had the mindset where I was town and you were ready to protect me until death in DnD and you ended up being wrong about that.

Completely disregarding that snake comment that x1 already brought up, I have an independant feeling Nabe may be the indy.

So far my gut reactions are this

1. Tom/Nabe - Indy
2. TigerWoods - Town
3. X1-12 - Town/Scum depending on Swiss flip
4. Grump - Null/Deadweight
5. Swiss - Scum
6. Ryunnosuke - Town
7. GiraffeLaserGun - Scum
8. ~The Savage Nymph~ - Town
11. Acrostic/Kuz - Me

At this point in the game, I think a Swiss lynch would good source of info for me to reads on other flips.

Needs to die in order of importance

1. Swiss
2. GLG
3. Grump
4. Nabe

If Swiss flips scum:

1. Nabe

If Swiss flips town:
1. GLG
2. Grump
3. Nabe
4. x1


Fit me in wherever you want on that list.

Although a bit strange, I dont think Ryu's comment has any scum-tell behind it. He did not say 'Wow, town died last night (no ****), what a shame.' He just commented that it was a shame that we lost a good townie poster (Dourin)

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

^I feel so Rule 1'd right now.

@Swiss: 'kay, cool. IMO, it was a vig.

Scum are likely a team of poisoners, not just one. By extension, Cello was actually a goon or equivalent. How else would fish even manage to kill bears except by poison? This is lent further credence by the existence of the immunizer, who would be out of business right now if there were no more poisoners.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Ninja'd, the ^ was directed at J.

Kuz, why do you feel I'm indy? Furthermore, why are you outing your read on a pro-town indy at all?

Why me if Swiss is scum? Why GLG if town?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I am under the impression that there is two scum, from the amount of players and the explanation that x1 presented.

I think the remaining scum is either swiss or GLG. Even if there are 3 scum, I think one of them resides in these two. A townie Swiss would just make me shift my eyes to GLG. If there are 3 scum, and town does not win by lynching a hypothetical Swiss scum, then I would still go after GLG before you, nabe.

I think I am completely analyzing this indy role incorrectly as well. If we kill all mafia, does town win? Or do we win when both the indy and mafia have died?

Rather, does the indy have a wincon that is separate from the town's? If it does, then killing my gut reaction indy after I think all scum have been eliminated would be a decent choice. If the wincon is the same, then scratch out what I said about lynching you.

Stupid question and I probably already know the answer, but the Indy does not have a nk, right? If not, then his wincon must be the same as town's unless his goal is to survive until town lynches off each other.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I am under the impression that there is two scum, from the amount of players and the explanation that x1 presented.

I think the remaining scum is either swiss or GLG. Even if there are 3 scum, I think one of them resides in these two. A townie Swiss would just make me shift my eyes to GLG. If there are 3 scum, and town does not win by lynching a hypothetical Swiss scum, then I would still go after GLG before you, nabe.

I think I am completely analyzing this indy role incorrectly as well. If we kill all mafia, does town win? Or do we win when both the indy and mafia have died?

Rather, does the indy have a wincon that is separate from the town's? If it does, then killing my gut reaction indy after I think all scum have been eliminated would be a decent choice. If the wincon is the same, then scratch out what I said about lynching you.

Stupid question and I probably already know the answer, but the Indy does not have a nk, right? If not, then his wincon must be the same as town's unless his goal is to survive until town lynches off each other.

There is a independent role called the 'Immuniser' in this game. Each night he can submit a target, and this player will be rendered immune to poison for the rest of the game. This does not cause an alignment change and the person will not be informed they are immune.

Two scum is a good bet. However, take into consideration that the immunizer protects people permanently from poison. If the scum's kill is always poison, then three scum might be a better balance against the immunizer.

The indy has no night kill and protects town. We can surmise that they have a pro-town wincon.

You still haven't explained why you think I'm the indy. You also haven't explained the reason on the bolded: why is GLG scum if Swiss is not? I'm ignoring the fact that you're under the impression that you're outing the indy (essentially a town PR) because you clearly have the wrong idea.

 

[th3kuzinator]

You still haven't explained why you think I'm the indy.

Just like you gut read on me being mafia, from reading your earlier posts, I had a gut read on you being indy. I could look back and give you the posts that made me think that, however, like you said, why out the indy. I played a little rash + assumed we needed to kill the indy to win. If the indy has a protown wincon, then we do not need to continue in the vein of questioning. I apologize for those assertions.

You also haven't explained the reason on the bolded: why is GLG scum if Swiss is not?

From my big post above, I asserted that I did not like the Swiss GLG interactions during the beginning of the Day. There are also a few specific posts that I did not like when assessing GLG's performance d1. His d2 play is also not quite helping. Ill make a large post later quoting and explaining my GLG/swissaii reads. Hold tight for em.

I'm ignoring the fact that you're under the impression that you're outing the indy (essentially a town PR) because you clearly have the wrong idea.

Yes I did have the wrong idea. ;_;

 

[X1-12]

@Nabe: My best guess is 2 scum, they posses a NK as usual and also have the poisoner, the 2 kills they gain from this balances the fact that its 2 scum in an 11 man game, but the 2 kills are made to be not too strong by the Immuniser having the ability to stop the poison kill.

btw Immuniser probably can't win alongside another faction, otherwise the game would be too hard for scum.

 

[th3kuzinator]

x1, so you are saying the the immuniser's wincon revolves around him being the last one standing?

W/o a nk, that is quite hard

 

[X1-12]

I've always imagined it very similar to the piper role, if it could win alongside another faction yet its abilities only hurt scum, why would it not be a town immuniser?

Each night you may Pipe: NAME and that player will dance. You lead all dancing players to their death if all other living players are dancing

Immunising obviously has an effect other than protecting from poison, otherwise it wouldn't be an independent faction

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

X1 most likely has it right and I was thinking that the person they immunize is stopped from being poisoned from scum but they get injected with their own poison that immunizes them from scum.

Kindof like a Zombie Nurse (not a real role just me babbling)

Post should be up soon, sorry for the delay, had to write a college essay x_x"

We need to root out the immunizer soon because if this is the cause like said above. Endgame is gonna come ALOT faster than we think it is. However should we try and lynch who think is the most scummy toDay or try and find the indie because most likely scum is also searching for the indie as well.

Hmm decisions....

 

[X1-12]

We're actually better of lynching scum, since immunizer wouldn't remove anyone from the game. If it was 1 person being immunised vs 1 person being killed I'd take immunised anytime because it doesn't remove town PRs. We just have to be aware of how many people could be immunized. Lynching someone who has been immunized also works against the indy but theres nothing like that which could work against scum, unless we lynch a poison target.

 

[TigerWoods]

Sorry for lack of activity. Work Johns. May post later tonight.

 

[X1-12]

Hey Nabe, put Swiss at L-1 please

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nah. Swiss wouldn't feel my vote as pressure; I've already voiced that Swiss in D2 doesn't strike me as a good play. More to the point, it wouldn't stay there for long, as I'm going to read into my gut on Kuz shortly.

 

[Swiss]

Nah. Swiss wouldn't feel my vote as pressure; I've already voiced that Swiss in D2 doesn't strike me as a good play. More to the point, it wouldn't stay there for long, as I'm going to read into my gut on Kuz shortly.

This argument, lol.
Swiss is a great lynch toDay. Kuz or GLG would be better in a D2.

?

I'll assume the second quote is the typo.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nah.
Swiss in D2 isn't a good play when compared to Kuz or GLG.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Nabe, your two posts dont make sense, they contradict one-another. Unless I am somehow reading it wrong.

@ MOD, If a townie was visited by the indy immuniser, will that be revealed upon flip (his immunization status)?

 

[SummonerAU]

yes

Vote Count:

(3) Swiss: GiraffeLaserGun, X1-12, th3kuzinator
(2) Grump: ~The Savage Nymph~, Swiss
(4) Not voting: everyone else

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is set for 7th of Jan, 11:59 PM AEST

 

[th3kuzinator]

Grump self-voted? How did I miss that

 

[Swiss]

He hasn't posted toDay.

@ Mod confirm the votecount is correct?

 

[SummonerAU]

It should be now.


hopefully

 

[Swiss]

GLG leans town. Can't read Nabe. X1 leans town. SN is town.

Kuz is anti town. Grump is scum.

Forgot TW was in the game. Who is the 9th?

 

[Swiss]

Ryu - town.

K.

Also if Dou was shot by Vig then Vig please, ffs, shoot better. That means shoot the survivor of Kuz/Grump. Maybe slotting TW if he doesn't help - I forget my stance on him.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm anti-town? *looks at role pm*

OH SHI-

hah.

So besides Grump posting little content, why is he scum? Also reasoning that I am anti-town? Does that wording make you suspect me of Indy? or just Mafia?

Convenient to blame the inactive and person who just replaced in while you have got some wagon pressure. And for god sakes, what about GLG makes him town to you? Everything about GLG just reminds me of someone who is trying to fly under the radar. Plus, for the first three pages you were going after him pretty hard with some decent reasoning. Why the change of heart? Convenient for you?

Swisaiii. Words, give me them