Bear and Fish 11: Over. Everyone loses, Town loses a little less

[giraffelasergun]

*FACEFLOOR*

Grawr, REALLY GLG?! Are you doing this to try and get Larxy even madder at you? That is what you post? THAT

Also I have stated before why I am voting for Grump (yesterDay)

You have lost all credibility to me. Nabe asked me at least three time last day phase why I was voting tiger multiple times that day phase and i ask you once and you flip out.

Not only that, but you don't answer the question. And you still haven't posted that case. Are you stalling?

You need to get your tunnel vision off or control that temper of yours.

</3.

Also nabe: I'm confused. You said you want to lynch swiss today but kuz/me d2 when it is d2...

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Swiss is a good lynch, but toDay would be better spent on lynching Kuz or GLG. The fact that it is D2 is the qualifier for why they are better lynches. Done talking about it.

GLG, start playing the game, or acknowledge in some way that it's begun.

Swiss, elaborate on my unreadability?

Vote Kuz

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

GLG lmfao

Just wait

Just wait bro cuz after this you dead. Like All-Stars dead <3

I have a life outside mafia ya know? Been busy today so no stalling but I'll get to your most recent post in a sec.

 

[giraffelasergun]

You mean like bsl in allstars since you love that game so much?

Also, you're still ignoring my question.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Tell me nabe, simply because im a curious kinda guy, why I am a better lynch choice than swiss or GLG?

Will you get any info on other players after my flip? If so, what/who? Do you genuinely think im scummy? If so, why? Pressure vote? K.

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

Larxene's GLG Case (both heads agree)

Okay let's go over each and every single one of GLG's posts. At the end of this post I will be voting for GLG because I believe he is scum. This is our thoughts on all posts and our basic ISO.

RVS vote on Swissy[/COLOR]

@J I'm hoping this game either goes with a flawless town victory or a 3 man lylo because i enjoy seeing games close.

Are you the lightning dagger girl one?

Weird response to my RQS question in which he responded wanting to go to 3 man lylo. However he also had put in he wanted a flawless town victory. Weird answer in general. I called him on this and here is his response.

Its more fun to watch/play a game thats close then it is to completely crush someone isn't it?
And by flawless I mean no mislynches/misvigges etc.

This post screams something weird for me. It also has a scum-slip or so it seems. He posted this to try and clarify the word flawless which we all know (or i'd assume so) and also I brought up this point back then but I'll bring it up again. MISVIGs, not NKs, but misviggs. Why? If you are town then you obviously know we are searching for mafia and also he assumes there is a vig in this size of the game which is odd on it's on. Although the post may be small I think it holds more and i have adressed this.

I can't get a read on anyone quickly because so far i've only played with like three people in this game and I've only seen them play one alignment. I might trust you or cello until i think you do one think that i find scummy, then every post after that will make you guys scum in my eyes.

I'll try to post more, scouts honor.

I'd rather see either one, since Its been a long time since I've been alive for a 3 man lylo and I would also like to see a game where townies just don't screw up at all. I said "misviggies" because at the very least, I'd rather have the town not kill themselves but it would be okay if a wolf kills a townie.
I forgot this was an 11 person game so on hindsight there probably won't be a vigi.

Any reason you picked me over someone else?

This is GLG's post answering Cello's question about me, promising to post more, answering my questions, and questioning me.

1.) He has no clue on anyone atm but Larxy, Swiss, and X1. Why? Trying not to step on anyone's toes.
2.) Promises to post more, doesn't really follow through.
3.) Tries to save himself from the mistake he made but ends up falling on his sword even more.
4.) Questions why his name was chosen at random. A bit defensive like "why me?"

Because its not entirely the town's fault if the wolves successfully get a nkill, but it is the town's fault for the killing oneself.

I don't like this answer at all and neither should a townie.

Of course you are.

Blahblahblah post

I don't have a really solid read right now, I think it is trying really hard to make discussion but I feel like the discussion is more of to make discussion and doesn't really have a purpose to it.

If they lie about something major then I'd lynch them for it, but other than that I wouldn't. Like, if player x said they targeted player z but then player q claimed tracker and said they really targeted player a then I'd be willing to lynch player x. But if player x said that his favorite color is blue but then someone pulls a post made a page ago in this thread that said his favorite color was yellow then i wouldn't lynch him.

I believe this is to the lynch all liars policy that was suggested. Also he comments on Larxy yet again saying he still does not have a solid read on us and goes with the majority in saying our posts hold nothing in them. (again stepping on no-ones toes)

Also his verification of what his theory of lynching all liars is to say the least....weak. I mean he states the obvious of Lynch all Liars and then gives a BS theory which we all know we wouldn't lynch on such irrelevant material but seems to try and seem sensible and town-like.

EBWOP: The part under cello's quote should read "I don't have a really solid read right now, I think it is trying really hard to make discussion but I feel like the discussion is more of an attempt to make discussion and doesn't have a useful purpose to it.

Just an edit to the post above.

Vote: Tiger

You did defend acrostic and then you tried to beat the bush around it. Not only that, but this post makes me think you're either a)trying to say IM TOWNIE LOLZZ(but not actually because of that second part) or b)claiming indy which is a lot less likely.

J, why do keep announcing its you when ever you post?

AAAAH GLG finally comes and states he has a tiff with someone.

For quite a weak reason yet again. He claims for Tiger to be defending Acrostic (a.k.a. th3kuzi now). Also he tries to cast suspicion on TW in not just one bad faction light. But BOTH faction lights. Being he is saying TW is scummy and defending Acrostic while trying to seem more town or he is claiming indie. Notice the key word here is "or". Why or? GLG is grasping at straws to try and call someone scummy.

I don't see what the problem with one vote is though. I could understand if he had three or four votes, but with one... not so much.

GLG tries to back up what he is saying to Tiger but Tiger shoots him back down to where he belongs.

lolugonnamakevoteswithoutprovidingreasoning?

Response to Ryunn's single vote on him. **********CONTRADICTION********* Okay so GLG was just questioning Tiger for being worried about a vote on someone and called him scummy for it. Now here he is acting defensive on Ryunn's just random vote and asking for reasoning. Then Ryunn gives no reason and here is his post.

nah brah i good.

That's it....? Really? *facepalm*

Funny that you only notice lack of content in posts when I do it(and i guess X1) when other people make posts with less content and then you just let them slide.

Swiss and tiger are scum. Rest are town/neutral.

Now he is trying to put some heat on Swiss since he sees some people are looking at him more now. Also becomes defensive for Swissy says GLG has a lack of content in his posts (which he does and would be wrong to not admit)

However he keeps his views on Tiger = scum and just adds Swiss to the list as well. Also states how everyone is null. Why such harsh statements on D1? Especially with the way this game has been moving?

Swiss is scum because he's only mentioning a few people not posting/posting little content in their post instead of mentioning the majority of the game since very few people are keeping up with the activity. Tiger is scum because he was a little defensive over acrostic and i don't really like the way he reacted to the first few votes thrown on him/acrostic.

Also, everyone else is town/neutral because I think they're town or I haven't read enough of their posts to have a solid read of them because they're being lurky/inactive.

J, is your vote on cello entirely meta?

He is calling Swiss out now as scum for weak reasoning. Also he is just re-iterating his reasoning on Tiger which is compete bull since he is the only one pushing it.

Also in the post where I voted Cello I indicated already that my vote was on him due to meta. Also he seems to be subtly defending Cello by asking if my vote is directly on meta which is usually frowned upon as a reason to vote someone. It's a little way to plant a seed of doubt on the entire argument.

Cello is being lurky but I think the others are town. I don't find it necessary to go into detail as to why X is town unless x is about to be lynched.

Am I that common of a poster I get to be listed twice ?

He refuses to give insight on people unless they are about to be lynched. Scum distancing and yet again not trying to step on anyone's toes besides the two he already has called scum (Tiger and Swiss).

Plus a joke question to my error.

Swiss why aren't you paying attention to this game?

Trying to call Swiss out when he already admitted openly to not paying attention.

I really don't get your logic.

Just a blahblahblah post again stating he doesn't get what Swiss is saying.

I don't see why we should lynch cello for being lurky when swiss was being lurky and listen to swiss when he said "don't lynch me for lurking"

Hey x1 will you help me lynch swiss tomorrow?

Trying to defend Cello while trying to cast even more suspicion onto Swiss. In the exact same post he tries to buddy X1 who had an opinion of Swiss that he was scum and asked if he will join hands and lynch Swiss together.

Also, cello is lynched yes?

Why the clarification needed?

After playing in mafia all stars I want to be really sure.

Oh here's his excuse. We had all said for about a page and a half that he was lynched but GLG was the only one who did not get the memo that his scumbuddy Cello was lynched.

Vote: swiss

Nabe, my vote was on tiger for a stupid reason and I'll probably not put it back on tiger until i see reason too.

Day begins and he jumps on the Swiss bandwagon without adding anything to it and just blah! This aggravates me.

Then he drops his Tiger suspicion and dismisses it as "stupid reasoning" but then again says he will put it back on Tiger if he sees fit. Does anyone remember GLG was set on Tiger = Scum 100% and kept on him? Contradiction numbero dos.

Why are you voting grump?

Also, does anyone else find it wierd that ryunnosuke found it necessary to comment on how we lost a townie last night?

Already went over this post but let's do it again for good measure. I said yesterDay why I was voting Grump and also I think Grump is being classic lurky scum but now that I look back. I think GLG>Grump in scumminess.

Ryunn comment has been dealt with.

This has been Larxene's electrifying case on GLG and we wish to send him to the electric chair for his scummy behaviour and we claim him as our scum-pick. >:D

And with this entire thing out of the way, we would like to put our vote on GLG (been a bit vote hoppy we have toDay but idc this is where we want my vote now)

Unvote
Vote: GLG

Lynch order atm?

GLG>Swiss/Grump

We will vote for whomever we need to not have a No-Lynch but we want GLG cuz we have a scum-read on him that we just cannot shake this. If we are wrong we will shut up and listen to you X1.

What I suggest everyone does? Pile the votes on GLG as if he had a Guilty verdict on him!!! Rawr!

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

You have lost all credibility to me. Nabe asked me at least three time last day phase why I was voting tiger multiple times that day phase and i ask you once and you flip out.

Not only that, but you don't answer the question. And you still haven't posted that case. Are you stalling?

You need to get your tunnel vision off or control that temper of yours.

Temper? Tunnel Vision? Are you calling Larxene fat?! Oh, no your just trying to deflect the heat I am directing at you with a little insult to seem like you aren't afraid. Isn't that cute? Explain how I have lost all credibility with you? Also doesn't really matter to me that I lost credibility with scum. :3c We don't care. Your being contradicting with your stances on Tiger. Correct them for us. Is he scum or town? Be specific. While your at it. Give us your thoughts on EVERYONE. Dodge it.....I dare you to. *kunai gleam* I would love to peg all of these in you.

You mean like bsl in allstars since you love that game so much?

Also, you're still ignoring my question.

BSL you replaced into and did no justice to saving your position which was still scum. Also I like that game alot for different reasons that came about it.

What question? No, I am not stalling lmao. Does that post look like stalling? xD Good god.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Ohh, good post savage.

Swiss/GLG > Grump/Nabe for me

Since swiss has stayed on top of this game more and GLG's wagon looks like it has more merit

unvote
vote GLG

If I like GLG's defense I will switch back to Swissaaii. I would be fine with either a GLG or a Swiss lynch.

 

[giraffelasergun]

This post screams something weird for me. It also has a scum-slip or so it seems. He posted this to try and clarify the word flawless which we all know (or i'd assume so) and also I brought up this point back then but I'll bring it up again. MISVIGs, not NKs, but misviggs. Why? If you are town then you obviously know we are searching for mafia and also he assumes there is a vig in this size of the game which is odd on it's on. Although the post may be small I think it holds more and i have adressed this.

Lets say theres a JOAT. Its the towns fault if the joat kills a townie yes? If there is no doctor, then the town can't prevent the nkills, and it would not be there fault either.


1.) He has no clue on anyone atm but Larxy, Swiss, and X1. Why? Trying not to step on anyone's toes.
2.) Promises to post more, doesn't really follow through.
3.) Tries to save himself from the mistake he made but ends up falling on his sword even more.
4.) Questions why his name was chosen at random. A bit defensive like "why me?"
1) Maybe its because no one else posted a lot at the time?
2)I have posted more then I did in other games.
3) lololol.
4) Or more along the lines of "why did you just say I'm scum hypothetically instead of something like player x"

I don't like this answer at all and neither should a townie.

Care to elaborate?


Also his verification of what his theory of lynching all liars is to say the least....weak. I mean he states the obvious of Lynch all Liars and then gives a BS theory which we all know we wouldn't lynch on such irrelevant material but seems to try and seem sensible and town-like.

So I'm trying to be townlike by answering the way a question should be answered?


AAAAH GLG finally comes and states he has a tiff with someone.

For quite a weak reason yet again. He claims for Tiger to be defending Acrostic (a.k.a. th3kuzi now). Also he tries to cast suspicion on TW in not just one bad faction light. But BOTH faction lights. Being he is saying TW is scummy and defending Acrostic while trying to seem more town or he is claiming indie. Notice the key word here is "or". Why or? GLG is grasping at straws to try and call someone scummy.

How can it be a weak reason "yet again" if its the first time? "Or" because it was a alternate reason as to why we should lynch tiger. Also, should I not vote at all on my top scumpick because the reason is weak?

GLG tries to back up what he is saying to Tiger but Tiger shoots him back down to where he belongs.

or not at all.

Response to Ryunn's single vote on him. **********CONTRADICTION********* Okay so GLG was just questioning Tiger for being worried about a vote on someone and called him scummy for it. Now here he is acting defensive on Ryunn's just random vote and asking for reasoning. Then Ryunn gives no reason and here is his post.
Tiger was defending a different player though, and I wanted to see if I had something I could reply with to Ryunn, guess not.


That's it....? Really? *facepalm*
You mean, I shouldn't respond to the post thats in a joke manner thats directed toward me?


Now he is trying to put some heat on Swiss since he sees some people are looking at him more now. Also becomes defensive for Swissy says GLG has a lack of content in his posts (which he does and would be wrong to not admit)

However he keeps his views on Tiger = scum and just adds Swiss to the list as well. Also states how everyone is null. Why such harsh statements on D1? Especially with the way this game has been moving?
how is that now my statements are harsh but earlier they were weak?


He is calling Swiss out now as scum for weak reasoning. Also he is just re-iterating his reasoning on Tiger which is compete bull since he is the only one pushing it.

Also in the post where I voted Cello I indicated already that my vote was on him due to meta. Also he seems to be subtly defending Cello by asking if my vote is directly on meta which is usually frowned upon as a reason to vote someone. It's a little way to plant a seed of doubt on the entire argument.
How does answering someone asking why my vote on tiger=scum? No, I was trying to clarify what you said earlier.


He refuses to give insight on people unless they are about to be lynched. Scum distancing and yet again not trying to step on anyone's toes besides the two he already has called scum (Tiger and Swiss).
.

As I said, its not to the town advantage to go on and on as to why "player x is town because blahblahbalhblah"

Trying to call Swiss out when he already admitted openly to not paying attention.

He's attacking someone for doing the exact same thing, does that not strike you as odd?

Just a blahblahblah post again stating he doesn't get what Swiss is saying.



Trying to defend Cello while trying to cast even more suspicion onto Swiss. In the exact same post he tries to buddy X1 who had an opinion of Swiss that he was scum and asked if he will join hands and lynch Swiss together.

I forgot buddying was such a crime when everyone does it. Seriously though, I just want to lynch swiss.

Why the clarification needed?
Oh here's his excuse. We had all said for about a page and a half that he was lynched but GLG was the only one who did not get the memo that his scumbuddy Cello was lynched.

In all stars for a page and half everyone was counting wrong.

Day begins and he jumps on the Swiss bandwagon without adding anything to it and just blah! This aggravates me.

Then he drops his Tiger suspicion and dismisses it as "stupid reasoning" but then again says he will put it back on Tiger if he sees fit. Does anyone remember GLG was set on Tiger = Scum 100% and kept on him? Contradiction numbero dos.

Am I not allowed to change my mind? Also, I did say I would be trying to lynch swiss tomorrow.

Already went over this post but let's do it again for good measure. I said yesterDay why I was voting Grump and also I think Grump is being classic lurky scum but now that I look back. I think GLG>Grump in scumminess.
Thanks for finally answering my question.

Temper? Tunnel Vision? Are you calling Larxene fat?! Oh, no your just trying to deflect the heat I am directing at you with a little insult to seem like you aren't afraid. Isn't that cute? Explain how I have lost all credibility with you? Also doesn't really matter to me that I lost credibility with scum. :3c We don't care. Your being contradicting with your stances on Tiger. Correct them for us. Is he scum or town? Be specific. While your at it. Give us your thoughts on EVERYONE. Dodge it.....I dare you to. *kunai gleam* I would love to peg all of these in you.
J, realize that you have gone on and on and on about why I'm scum when other players are doing the exact same thing as me, and you won't even bat an eye on them. I'm not calling you fat, I'm calling you overly agressive tunneler. You aren't being helpful to town. Not only that, put you use a lot of phrases like LMAO U DUMB FACEPALM LOLOLOLOL xD FACEFLOOR and don't even bother to reply to what people are saying. Thats why you have no credibility. How am I contradicting when I changed my mind on something days after it happened.

I'm not going against my statement. I'll give you my top three picks scum picks though. Swiss, you, and there is another wolf(not very likely with a game this size) kuz. Swiss for reasons I stated already, you because you're being a tunneling ******* who stalls and then doesn't answer questions until asked twice, and kuz because he's making low content posts like I am but surprisingly the two people who are calling me out on this aren't calling him out on this. Not only that, but he fosed himself in the first post he made. I don't care if hes a joke, thats just wrong.


BSL you replaced into and did no justice to saving your position which was still scum. Also I like that game alot for different reasons that came about it.

What question? No, I am not stalling lmao. Does that post look like stalling? xD Good god.

BSL was like "I'm busy I'll post and then he took like two days to do it, just like you posted your case on me over your a day later.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Tell me nabe, simply because im a curious kinda guy, why I am a better lynch choice than swiss or GLG?

Will you get any info on other players after my flip? If so, what/who? Do you genuinely think im scummy? If so, why? Pressure vote? K.

Because you've previously been more useless than Swiss. Good to see you're posting, puts you miles above GLG. And as I've said, I have gut on you that I've yet to read into.

It's amusing to me that you ask me a bunch of questions, but arrive at an answer yourself without me answering them. This demonstrates to me that you don't really care about the questions at all. Regardless, answers follow.

Probably. Dunno. Yep. Answered above. More or less.

What I want from you is the following: the reasoning for GLGtown if Swisscum.

Unvote
Guess where it's going next.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: GLG

Your defense is shoddy, but so is the offense against you. In reality, you're scummy because you continue to flounder and post absolutely no content.

I attempted to pick out the parts of your post that contained content, but you can see how that went. But the fact that you're paying enough attention to this game to make a big wall when suddenly it's in the interest of your survival speaks volumes, and its emptiness does too.

Your next post needs to be 0% "I'm not scum" and 100% "here's who is".

 

[giraffelasergun]

Swiss, J, Kuz. One/two of those three is scum.

Nabe, do you think a scummate would bus on day one this game?

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

I thought I would be coming back to a defense that would be fun to refute but not really. *siiiiiigh* oh wellz we will see when I get back. *will respond by tonight*

Dearie, call us stalling one more time and we will drop the Larxy ruse for a bit and you will have to deal with J in full AtE mode. You don't want that at 11/12 o clock in the morning.

And gah you made my life heck with the way you responded to my case with taking out ALL the quote tags and now I gotta go through and blah. -_-" Next time respond to it neater eh? And GAH you answered within a quote. I'm gonna be pissed while doing this rebuttal.

 

[giraffelasergun]

J, stalled. Don't deny it. Sure you might have been busy, but you said you were going to make the case and then waited.

P.s. Thanks for admitting you're letting your anger get the better of you <3.

 

[#HBC | J]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

You asked for it.....do NOT say I did not warn you.....be back when I can but yay no one has tried to deliberately piss me off in the longest time.

*Personal account for emphasis and MODDING duties over at NBC mafia*

 

[Ryunnosuke]

I know you asked Nabe this, but I want to add my own two cents to this concerning the bussing.

Bussing D1 *IS* something scum would do... if led by an intelligent player. That's something Cello is more than capable of. Normally, I would say that he wouldn't usually bus himself unless he could be certain of a future victory, be he had some issues recently in another game-

(looks at Nymph)

-that I have only heard rumors about. Regardless, the issues that I know about have more or less been solved now and he's taken an interest in the forum Mafia again.

But what does that mean for this game? Basically, Cello at the time was a bit dissolusioned with ForMafia and was trying to get out of his games. That's ample reason for him to say for his scummates should lead bus him so that he can give them good credibility against future lynches. That's why I say that NO ONE who was on that Cello lynch should be given a clear for voting on the block.

Larxy and Nabe made good points for GLG, Swiss, and Kuz (to an extent). I'm still FoS on X1. I still think Kuz is townish due to play style.

I'm joining the GLG scum block.

unvote vote GLG

 

[Ryunnosuke]

@mod request update to the vote count

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

That was L-1, fair warning.

Swiss, J, Kuz. One/two of those three is scum.

Nabe, do you think a scummate would bus on day one this game?

Why not? Ryu raises some good points.
More importantly, why is it relevant?
Most importantly, explain why you think those players are scum, in detail. Cases ideally. Show some damn effort.

Next post will be 90% effort and 10% BS, please and thank you.

 

[th3kuzinator]

That would be L-1. Convince us right quick why you are not scum. A claim might be nice

It goes without saying, no one hammer yet.

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

J side and only J side this time

I will be using Pink because I should not incorporate what I am doing alone with my partner and consider it part of Larxy. This is just J talking.

Alright GLG you wanna go. Bring it on. You wanted an angry J you got him. Why do you wanna even try and tick me off? What will it gain by trying to poke and prod at me to seem like you are asking questions when you are trying to just get me angry? I asked you nicely but no and here is where we are. Let us actually look at the post you

J, stalled. Don't deny it. Sure you might have been busy, but you said you were going to make the case and then waited.

P.s. Thanks for admitting you're letting your anger get the better of you <3.

WHY IS THIS EVEN NEEDED? I asked you to not say we stalled because I have been busy all day writing a college essay paper. I needed to do so for my AP literature and while I was looking at the paper I was trying to research where I wanted to go for college. Then I had to deal with babysitting 4 kids WHILE doing the paper and then have time to watch my game unfold. I decided to take a break from writing your case to play some AIMmafia with some friends in which I finally got to relax for a bit today. Then I come back to hear you have been saying I am stalling which kindof was like "wtf is this?" soooo I ended up stopping playing some aimmafia with all of them to finish the post so I did. Is that stalling now? Tell me that is stalling. What can't? You obviously cannot because I did not maliciously try and stall my post. How could you even say that you know I stalled when I also had to grab your weak posts and scrounge them all together and then write my responses to each AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. In which to most of the paragraphs I ask you, you give me one-liners. Actually let's go to that now.

Lets say theres a JOAT. Its the towns fault if the joat kills a townie yes? If there is no doctor, then the town can't prevent the nkills, and it would not be there fault either.

1) Maybe its because no one else posted a lot at the time?
2)I have posted more then I did in other games.
3) lololol.
4) Or more along the lines of "why did you just say I'm scum hypothetically instead of something like player x"

Care to elaborate?

So I'm trying to be townlike by answering the way a question should be answered?

How can it be a weak reason "yet again" if its the first time? "Or" because it was a alternate reason as to why we should lynch tiger. Also, should I not vote at all on my top scumpick because the reason is weak?

or not at all.

Tiger was defending a different player though, and I wanted to see if I had something I could reply with to Ryunn, guess not.

You mean, I shouldn't respond to the post thats in a joke manner thats directed toward me?

how is that now my statements are harsh but earlier they were weak?

How does answering someone asking why my vote on tiger=scum? No, I was trying to clarify what you said earlier.

As I said, its not to the town advantage to go on and on as to why "player x is town because blahblahbalhblah"

He's attacking someone for doing the exact same thing, does that not strike you as odd?

I forgot buddying was such a crime when everyone does it. Seriously though, I just want to lynch swiss.

In all stars for a page and half everyone was counting wrong.

Am I not allowed to change my mind? Also, I did say I would be trying to lynch swiss tomorrow.

Thanks for finally answering my question.

BSL was like "I'm busy I'll post and then he took like two days to do it, just like you posted your case on me over your a day later.

Okay let us look at this first part of your post. These are all you have to give me? I spent my hard earned time trying to come up with responses to you and give you legit reasoning behind why each thing I said is there but you come back and give us ONE LINERS. That in it's own just feeds into me. It's like a literal slap in the face if that this is all you have to respond to after me doing that case. I try and at least give you the decency as to why I am calling you scum and try and back up my points but you just try and negate everything with simple one-liners and just try and direct the questions I asked at you back at me and even to one point you deem it necessary to just laugh instead of answer. But alright let's go over each one of your responses and I am gonna try and go as in depth as I can so I can answer you correctly. I will be responding to them with numbers so it helps me out. Is that okay? Well too bad if it isn't.

1.) After there being only 1 NKs how can this even be plausible? I know what your going to say. Most vigs do not shoot N1. Wrong. Set-up wise it would be HEAVILY unbalanced if town had a Vig. Okay let's go over why. Apparantly from what we have seen flip wise we can assume that the mafia has 2 NKs. 1 in the form of poisoning and 1 in the form of killing someway. The immunizer was brought about to stop that one form of killing which is poisoning and a doc HAS to be in this game to stop the other to be fair. Having another killing role in this game is pure insanity. Here is the WC scenario:

WC:

D1: Mislynch - 7 v 2 v 1
N1: Misprotect - 5 v 2 v 1
D2: Mislynch - 4 v 2 v 1
N2: Misprotect - 1 v 2 v 1
Game is over in Mafia endgaming both the indie and the Immunizer

No game mod would ever approve this set-up with a JOAT or a Vig. We can pretty much rule out that theory if Dou-x's death is not mafia. Which in the scenario we have presented it most likely is.

2.) Your rebuttal list to make fun of mine/refute it. Your first point is a straight up lie due to the fact you have actually said why in the first place. You said you had not known anyone else besides us from previous games. Not because of no one had posted. This is you trying to throw some of the heat onto inactives and use them as a scapegoat of blame. Your second point is you trying to say "well here I am doing better than others." How can we see this? How can we see proof? Also this is a weak rebuttal simply because it doesn't help nor prove anything to help you. Third point, I am so glad you find that hilarious enough to just laugh at. Now I 100% see your train of thought and begin to understand why you are thinking the way you are. Seriously stuff like that just gets me riled up because how are we supposed to figure out who is wrong or anything? You just stop the conversation by laughing at someone's point. 4th point. I was only picking random names out of a hat and you are the one who got defensive. Just because someone has a different method does not mean squat. The reaction you had towards it got me looking at you.

3.) Town should not take the blame for not being able to protect itself and mafia getting a NK but should take the blame if they lynch one another. WHERE ARE THE ALARMS?! Seriously what is this? You are saying it is ALRIGHT for the mafia to get NKs and town should only feel bad and stupid for when they mislynch? Okay for one thing mislynches help town gain knowledge to who actually is scum. However your basically mocking the town for any and all Mislynches and giving props to mafia for getting the NK off because no one can stop them. WTF?! A townie should see this and go exactly what I did.

4.) No, you are pointing out the obvious here by giving the obvious answer. It seems too thought about and too mechanized to try and seem more town. You tried to give a theory that just reeked. That's what I am trying to get at but you give a sarcastic almost snarky remark to it.

5.) The "yet again" is to you using weak reasoning to support something you were trying to spout to us. So in your mind process at the current time Tiger could have in NO WAY been town and had to either be the indie or he was mafia. In which you try to throw him into both lights. No you should vote for whom you deem plausible to be scum but the reasoning BEHIND why you were doing so was weak and hence why I am calling you out on it. The weak reasoning seems scummy to me and apparantly it does to other people HENCE why votes are on you. I am not telling you where you can and cannot put your votes but seriously get the reason why I am calling you out on something or at least try and get in the ballpark of it.

6.) Tiger did in fact shoot you back down iirc and told you that your reasoning was weak which in it's own just shows how much respect you have for what someone is saying by saying what he does was equivalant to nothing. So Tiger did absolutely nothing in your eyes. Wow that's just not even nice =/

7.) Don't feel like making a comment on this anymore then when I thought I could. Sorry for this one liner.

8.) No but you had asked for reasoning behind him and you just shrugged it off with a joke instead of actually persuing him if you were so worried about why he had placed a vote on you. If you just were gonna joke it off or shrug it off why ask?

9.) Now you are trying to twist my words to make me seem like a hypocrite. I didn't say your reasonings were harsh, I said your statements were harsh. Also your reasonings were weak and I said your statements were not. That would be incredulously hypocritical for me to say something like that. Did I? No. Your statements are harsh because you are so quick to call someone scum and so quick to say you are ready to lynch them. Then you try and back up your harsh statements with weak reasonings. That is how it goes.

10.) Please point out what you were trying to clarify. I need to see it to fully respond to this point.

11.) HOW IS IT NOT? Why? Tell us why it isn't. And then after you are done trying to get the words to form. Give us your thoughts on EVERYONE. Pretend they are about to be lynched if you must just give us your opinions on people for christ sake and please back up your assertations with reasonings.

12.) No. I am too tired to respond to this fully.

13.) Why do you wanna lynch Swiss? Also point out all the buddying you have seen and who all has connections to them if EVERYONE is doing so. Please I want a response to this point.

14.) You take one games fallicy and try and implement it here for your excuse. Whatever. Those were two very different scenarios.

15.) State why you changed your mind because you did so flip floppily and especially when you had such a strong read on Tiger. What changed your mind on this?

16.) Don't be snippy and snarky with me.

No, I had not been letting my anger get the better of me because I had actually been keeping my cool this entire game. Or at least try to. People who have talked to me know how much I have had it with this game but the only reason why I am staying in is because of my friend. She is the only reason why I am staying in so she can get experience.

Swiss, J, Kuz. One/two of those three is scum.

Nabe, do you think a scummate would bus on day one this game?

I will try to respond to the rest of this when I get up in the morning an if I have enough time before I go to the dentist then maybe I will have time before I can hang out with some friends so I am sorry if this last section I do not get to until I do. I am not stalling, I am away and not going to be able to. The reason I am not finishing this now is because it is 2 am in the morning and I cannot think straight and this moment and I need to get off the computer.

Gah I'm so sick of this game. I'll also explain that too tomorrow possibly.

 

[Swiss]

Why do I think your scum? Because you're Swiss.

Vote Swiss

Savage took the vote of swiss so ill keep at L-1. If you hammer, you're scum. kthx

Why put me at L-1 if you don't want me hammered yet? Go in depth.

 

[Swiss]

I still think GLG is just a bad player. Won't stop me hammering.

Why is Grump not dead? Hasn't even posted toDay.

Nabe is right in that J's offence was shoddy, the defence was equally shoddy.

Just lynch outside of the town list and we win. Also remember how Cello wanted to know why Kuz wasn't on the town list? Why would he be interested in that?

Indie? Scum? Idc.

Whoever said town could joint win with indie is a total idiot.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Gah I'm so sick of this game. I'll also explain that too tomorrow possibly.

This I can agree with.

 

[X1-12]

Nabe: have you crumbed your role in any way? Don't go into details just yes or no please

 

[X1-12]

Somone unvote I think we can get more from toDay, I have a plan

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

J side speaking

I wanna point something out that is striking me as odd.

Ohh, good post savage.

Vote: GLG

Your defense is shoddy, but so is the offense against you. In reality, you're scummy because you continue to flounder and post absolutely no content.

Nabe is right in that J's offence was shoddy, the defence was equally shoddy.

Why did th3kuzi say my post was a good one but then the next to people to make a comment on the cast say it was "shoddy" and albeit I will admit after reading it I can see their point of view but I am standing strong to my statement that GLG = scum. However if he were to pop town....

Th3kuzi what about my post struck you as a good post? Btw do not try and get out of it by saying it is now shoddy after looking at it again. Tell me why you thought it was a good post at the current time and give me your train of thought. What about my post convinced you to change your vote to GLG? If GLG is town who are you going to be looking at after the flip. Tell me who you have town reads on. Also I wanna bring up another one of your posts that struck me as odd after the case.

That would be L-1. Convince us right quick why you are not scum. A claim might be nice

It goes without saying, no one hammer yet.

If it goes without saying, why say it at all? Also why are you so hasty to end the day so quickly? Also claiming at L-1 is also something kindof obv especially since Swiss already did so toDay. Hmm.....

FoS: th3kuzi

J, realize that you have gone on and on and on about why I'm scum when other players are doing the exact same thing as me, and you won't even bat an eye on them. I'm not calling you fat, I'm calling you overly agressive tunneler. You aren't being helpful to town. Not only that, put you use a lot of phrases like LMAO U DUMB FACEPALM LOLOLOLOL xD FACEFLOOR and don't even bother to reply to what people are saying. Thats why you have no credibility. How am I contradicting when I changed my mind on something days after it happened.

I hate this style of defense. It's called "mirror defense". "Don't look at me! Look at the others! See they are doing exactly what I'm doing! Call on them! Not me!" Also GLG why don't YOU point them out then if you have suspicion. I have suspicion on you as to you being scum hence why I am pursueing it. I do notice what other people are doing as well. Of course I know you're not calling me fat, tis a joke. Also that's not right at all and you know it. I have been responding to what people have been saying and DON'T you dare say I have not. This game people have been ignoring me like I am the freaking plauge and not even responding to anything I bring forth because they call it irrelevant and GLG mind you I was tunneled as well on D1 by Cello/X1/Swiss pretty much the entire day and I nearly lost my cool because it was for absolutely no reason at all and I was not going through again what I went through in DnD mafia. Saying I have no credibility is appalling and just straight up rude to say to someone. You have been contradicting, i've pointed out where, stop ignoring me, and read.

I'm not going against my statement. I'll give you my top three picks scum picks though. Swiss, you, and there is another wolf(not very likely with a game this size) kuz. Swiss for reasons I stated already, you because you're being a tunneling ******* who stalls and then doesn't answer questions until asked twice, and kuz because he's making low content posts like I am but surprisingly the two people who are calling me out on this aren't calling him out on this. Not only that, but he fosed himself in the first post he made. I don't care if hes a joke, thats just wrong.

Swiss, state your reasons again because obviously NOONE remembers what you have said to equal him being scum and I have brought up ALL of your posts. You have not given reasons that will convince us to go along with that and your fallback is to hide in the bandwagon and buddy X1 who wanted a Swiss lynch as well. I also remember Swiss gave you a bit of heat D1 iirc so this possibly holds some OMGUS to it as well. It's also the easiest wagon for you to hop off of.

Myself, tunneling? Hardly. You cannot call a defense tunneling just because you cannot find it within yourself to push back the offense with a more adequate defense to fight it back. But no you have said I hold no credibility with you, have "stalled", and are just tunneling you. You refuse to go in depth with your points on why I am scum. Just like you refuse to on the other two. Saying I don't answer questions till asked twice is offensive as well because if when Swiss ignored every questions I asked him I still answered his and I have been trying to answer everyone's questions when asked. Just because I apparantly messed up once on one of your vague half fast questions then I'm sorry for that but don't disclude what I have done the entire game. You have not spoken any decision on me until I started to call you scum which in it's self is OMGUS. You have never said I was scum before I called you scum yourself that is it.

Kuzi, BULL**** on your reasonings. Your trying to draw a connection here of Me/Swiss/Kuzi as being anti-town/scum correct? Also kuzi has been making content posts. He refuted ALL the stuff people had brought up on Acrostic and even has been maintaining with the game more than you have and are you really one to talk about content? I mean really? You are mirror defensing yourself to th3kuzi. And now you are the one taking jokes too seriously. Also you have begun to notice th3kuzi has gotten some pressure and suspicion toDay so you believe you can just pass it off onto him and hope for the best. No.

These are your cases on each person correct? Correct me if i'm wrong and how about you do your own case?

@Mod: Request Prod on Grump

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

This I can agree with.

............................................THAT'S IT?!?!?! That is all you have to say? That?! Ugh I am so done with you. This is a pointless attempt and i am just getting more and more frustrarted.

Somone unvote I think we can get more from toDay, I have a plan

No, you can ask anyone else but I am keeping my vote here until either he is dead or I am.

Explain the plan though. I'm going out and won't have time to respond that much today.

 

[X1-12]

GLG (4) SN, kuz, Nabe, Ryu


Firstly: everyone remember we can lynch GLG toDay still, this is just something worth doing

Secondly: @Mod: Request Grump Prod

Thirdly: The following people vote grump: X1, Savage Nymph, Swiss, Nabe. If you are not on that list do not vote him as it may result in quickhammer by accident. If someone in that decides they don't want to do that then I'll ask someone else

Unvote
Vote: Grump

When he comes in he can start talking, explaining loots. After then we can pick grump/GLG

 

[Swiss]

Explain the principal behind that, X1.

I'm happy to lynch Grump.

Why not Kuz? J, will you swap to Kuz?

 

[X1-12]

L-1 is a good way to get people to talk. What is to lose? ideally he should be L-1 before he gets here

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Nabe: have you crumbed your role in any way? Don't go into details just yes or no please

Nope.

Will be fine voting Grump, but I'd like to wait until he gets here and ***** at him then.

 

[X1-12]

i thought arriving back into the game at l-1 would remind him to not to try going inactive again

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Getting replaced would remind him of the same. Regardless,

Vote: Grump

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Unvote, Vote Grump
idk

 

[Swiss]

Ridiculous reasoning but k.

Unvote vote Grump

 

[X1-12]

Savage, will you? If not then say and i'll get someone else

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

No, you can ask anyone else but I am keeping my vote here until either he is dead or I am.

Pretty much your answer, I think.

 

[X1-12]

I was hoping my post would change his mind but I'll count him out for now. J, keep your vote where it is


@Ryu: Can you put your vote on grump please?

 

[SummonerAU]

Grump was prodded about 12 hours ago. TigerWoods is also prodded. You guys and your activity ;_;

Votey wotes:
(1) Swiss: GiraffeLaserGun
(3) Grump: X1, Nabe, Swiss
(3) GiraffeLaserGun: Savage Nymph, th3kuzinator, Ryunnosuke
(2) Not voting: Grump, TigerWoods

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is set for 7th of Jan, 11:59 PM AEST

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Oh lol. So I check out the post numbers.

Grump - 3 posts
GLG - 29 posts

Could've fooled me. Grump, for all his 3 posts, was attempting to be useful when he was here, and I thought he had more posts than this. GLG, on the other hand, has such unmemorable posts that I thought he had made like 3 in total.