Bear and Fish 11: Over. Everyone loses, Town loses a little less

[X1-12]

well obviously we will have to wait a couple of days for the Night Phase to finish

 

[Swiss]

Days, not days.

 

[X1-12]

heh, that's cute

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

Should we talk about who should be copped and who should be immunized?

-completely forgot about the immunization person-

Like they stop someone who would be poisoned....so it's probably safe to assume that there is a poisoner in this game (<3 that role) in which case the poisoner is made null. OHHHH!

Brain click/epiphany thingy!

X1, we were just in a game that had a similar mechanic to this. Firefighter/Arsonist and you have had a game on aim with this same thingy! Could it be that we have an indie Poisoner and a Town Immunizer who counteracts the entire thing? (Like Gheb, indie arsonist in All-Stars; OS, Town Firefighter in All-Stars) Like omg I'm so happy I thought of this while posting. So maybe we should discuss who should be Immunized. I mean thoughts on this thing? Anyone else see it?

So WC scenario speaking (going about this)

7 v 3 v 1

D1 - mislynch (6 v 3 v 1)
N1 - misprotect/misimmunize; NK (5 v 3 v 1)
D2 - mislynch (4 v 3 v 1)
N2 - misprotect/misimmunize (on either the orignally poisoned one and the newly posion'd (idk how the mechanic works I need to check the OP after this post)); NK/Posion death (2 v 3 v 1)
D3 - begins with Endgame

Okay let's go about this with 2 mafia this time

8 v 2 v 1

D1 - mislynch (7 v 2 v 1)
N1 - misimmune/misprotect; NK (6 v 2 v 1)
D2 - mislynch (5 v 2 v 1)
N2 - misimmune/misprotect (same as above); NK; Posion kill (3 v 2 v 1)
D3 - begins in MYLO/Prisoner's dilemna

So that means the game is un-balanced if there is 3 mafia so we can assume there is only 2 and 1 indie role that is anti-town. If the poisoner was town there would be no need for an immunizer. Hence forth we need to be searching for indie play as well if Cello flips scum. If Cello flips scum then we are doing golden and have extended our life expentancy of the town in this game.

Cello = scum set-up WC scenario

D1 - Scum lynch (8 v 1 v 1)
N1 - Misprotect/misimmune (7 v 1 v 1)
D2 - Mislynch (6 v 1 v 1)
N2 - Misprotect/misimmune *same as the previous two*; NK; Poison (4 v 1 v 1)
D3 - Mislynch (3 v 1 v 1)
N3 - Misprotect/Misimmun *same as the before*; NK;Poison (1 v 1 v 1)
D4 - Starts in Prisoner's dilemna to decide the winner

tl;dr

1.) Go and actually read all of this
2.) There are only 2 mafia. Game is unbalanced if not
3.) If Cello = scum we are doing really well
4.) We need to discuss cop investigations and Immunization people.
5.) Comment now before the day is over.

We need to find the remaining mafia member but also keep in the back of our minds the indie poisoner. However Mafia first even though Poisoner is def a concern of the town.

Also question: Can the immunizer immunize themselves to prevent themselves from being targetted by poison?

This may be a rambling post but PLEASE I MUST URGE TOWN! Keep your eyes pealed for Independant as well as Mafia. Mafia needs to be found first though.

I wanna strangle now whomever has the Poisoner role now that I know there is one in here ;_; It's my favorite role ever....

After flip I'm doing a read-through. I suggest everyone does too.

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

this is what I do when I can't get into AIM mafia and I'm stuck to think xD

was it worth being alone? IDK hopefully this will help town out.

 

[Swiss]

The indie role IS the immunizer.

Scum can poison, and the indie has to save as many lived as he can.

I'd assume.

/not an indie tell

 

[#HBC | J]

*facedesk*

I'm really sorry ;_;

I thought I had figured something out.....

 

[Swiss]

Never mind. Just be glad you're obv tow.

And yes, you're a moron.

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

So wait mafia kills by poison'ing? I'm so confused...@_@

Wouldn't they kill normally? And the immunizer is around to stop poisioning.....right? So maybe there's a poisoner still....

BLAH FML I'm so confused now....

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

Also if that's the case Swiss does that mean we do not have a Doc and the Indie Immunizer is our doc?

Grah so much derp it's giving me a headache.

 

[Swiss]

I have no idea.

Don't posion me.

 

[giraffelasergun]

You should know by now.

After playing in mafia all stars I want to be really sure.

 

[#HBC | J]

that's what you have to comment on GLG

Not anything about the immunizer

Not anything about what if Cell o - Scum

Not anything about cop investigation

You comment on something 100% irrelevant just to make a post.....

Really?

GLG is Cello town or scum? Who is scum if Cello = scum? Who is scum if Cello = town? What are you views gonna be after the flip. Please go into detail if you can.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Hey guys.

poison + s = poisson
!

Maybe it's a poisonous fish? Or a snake, bears probably don't like snakes.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

GLG:

Remind me why your vote is on Tiger.

plx.

10plx

 

[SummonerAU]

Just got online to check some stuff, it's Christmas Day here so sorry for being late with it and all. Don't have much time so yeah.

Cello is lynched. He's a stonefish aka Mafia Poisoner. Night for 72 hours due to Christmas, send actions to me before then.

Christmas lunch time :D

 

[SummonerAU]

-Dourin-x-, Vanilla Townie has died in the night.

D2 begins. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[X1-12]

Vote: Swiss

Savage, you with me?

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

Blo op!

 

[giraffelasergun]

Vote: swiss

Nabe, my vote was on tiger for a stupid reason and I'll probably not put it back on tiger until i see reason too.

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

Finally the game is back up~

And upset that I couldn't get any of my answers from GLG before the flip. GLG so you think Swiss is scum? Hence the vote or are you trying to please X1/Myself with hopping aboard? You have not expressed any concern on him. Also you do know if he flips town we are lynching you next correct?

X1, give me your train of thought if Swiss were to pop town instead of scum. Who would you personally look at? (ik you don't think he will be indulge me a bit) I'll vote for Swiss in a bit. Gimme time to re-read. I don't try and break promises.

Vote: Swiss

I'l leave it here for now. However that now puts him at L-2. No one else vote because we have PLENTY of time since the game just started. I'm gonna try and make my case on GLG from what I can. Would you be willing to switch to a GLG lynch if the material is adequate.

I need to re-read now with Dou-x's flip even though I thought of him as town. I'm also gonna look at any connections Cello made again.

I'm fine at the moment for a GLG/Swiss lynch but hmm something's bugging me.

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

Vote: swiss

Nabe, my vote was on tiger for a stupid reason and I'll probably not put it back on tiger until i see reason too.

Really? I mean really? *facedesk* Brbing ISO'ing your ***.

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Can you update the OP with who has died, and who has replaced who, also can you use the names of the current players in the votecounts as opposed to the names of people who have replaced out.

Bit of set-up meta here, it seems to be the thing I'm doing nowadays

11 man, 1 confirmed existing indy immuniser. Since a mafia poisoner has flipped we know that the indy role works against scum, as well as for himself.

Now we have is it 2 or 3 <af? well tbh considering that mafia had a poisoner, allowing them a second kill for much of the game, I would suspect 2, the second mafia also having a PR. Another possibility is there being a mafia goon (or weak PR) and an uninformed traitor. If it was a straight 3 man scumteam then its 6v3v1 which is real anti-town.

tl;dr 2 maf is most likely. The other probably has a PR.

Thoughts on the actual players etc coming in a sec..

 

[X1-12]

EBWOP: @Mod: I mean a list with the dead players and their roles in plz

 

[X1-12]

lol I just re-read some and realised J pretty much already said most of that set-up stuff

 

[~The Savage Nymph~]

Is it sad I was about to call ya on that X1-dude? xD

However I did not consider a traitor...hmm interesting thought.

Also we are Larxy. Not J. That's only one half =p

 

[X1-12]

Firstly: J, Want to be bros? Not sure about your hydra buddy but I can hold your hand and you can hold his hand so it'll all work out fine and dandy.

Secondly: Swiss. Must. Die.

Thirdly: Questions and stuff

And upset that I couldn't get any of my answers from GLG before the flip. GLG so you think Swiss is scum? Hence the vote or are you trying to please X1/Myself with hopping aboard? You have not expressed any concern on him. Also you do know if he flips town we are lynching you next correct?

Yeah, thats right I will NK you Lynch you if Swiss flips town. Contribute something. Tell me who is scummy. Failure to answer this question will have serious reprecussions

X1, give me your train of thought if Swiss were to pop town instead of scum. Who would you personally look at? (ik you don't think he will be indulge me a bit) I'll vote for Swiss in a bit. Gimme time to re-read. I don't try and break promises.

If Swiss flips town I'll jump off a building and then come back to life re-read the thread fourteen times. I'll then Lynch either Kuz or GLG (no preference which really) I will prolly decide which after re-reading Acrostic iirc his posts weren't long enough to fit his town play.

I'l leave it here for now. However that now puts him at L-2. No one else vote because we have PLENTY of time since the game just started. I'm gonna try and make my case on GLG from what I can. Would you be willing to switch to a GLG lynch if the material is adequate.

No, Swiss toDay bra, I will take GLG toMorrow for sure if it definitely means Swiss toDay

I need to re-read now with Dou-x's flip even though I thought of him as town. I'm also gonna look at any connections Cello made again.

Be aware Cello knows when he is scum he is likely to be lynched early, he will be aware that his connections will be looked at.

 

[X1-12]

@All: Please keep Swiss at L-1 or L-2 all day.

 

[X1-12]

Hey guys.

poison + s = poisson
!

Maybe it's a poisonous fish? Or a snake, bears probably don't like snakes.

explain this last line. ngl it sounds like you are a snake, which flavour leads me to call you indy

 

[X1-12]

2. TigerWoods
4. Grump
6. Ryunnosuke
7. GiraffeLaserGun

Post more.

@Kuz: top 2 scumpicks

 

[th3kuzinator]

Will post thoughts as I go.

I can't get a read on anyone quickly because so far i've only played with like three people in this game and I've only seen them play one alignment. I might trust you or cello until i think you do one think that i find scummy, then every post after that will make you guys scum in my eyes.

This caught me as slightly odd. "Because I have played with you before, I will trust you. That is, until you do something scummy, then I wont trust you anymore." This falls somewhere in the category between "this is so obvious, I shouldn't need to post it anyway" and "posting it will give me excuses not to give reads on other players and thus not draw attention to myself."

@Ryu: Acrostic is town. Say it to yourself over and over until you believe it. Same for Tiger.

Ryunnosuke is town. I'm not going to explain why, since I'm pretty sure that would be against the rules. Just accept it. Let's say it's because he's been town and scum, so he's due to be town by percents.

These cello posts were made before he was being considered for a lynch, so I think they may have some merit.

From this it would be reasonable for town to look at

Me (acrostic)
Tiger
Ryu

Since I know I'm town, I suggest we possibly focus on the latter two.

Also, it goes without saying that I should be judged by everything Acrostic has said thus far (even his snarkyness) because essentially Arcrostic = Kuz now.

I disagree. Larxene reeks of scum to me. Even though it seems like she is posting a lot, it just seems to be a mix of personal roleplay and crap. Roleplaying in a mafia thread is just a waste and seems to be an excellent tactic to avoid questions. Seems like typical scum-play to me.

J loves his AtE. That is pretty much null-tell. Also, inb4 you get told by Ryu that role-playing is fun.

I don't have a really solid read right now, I think it is trying really hard to make discussion but I feel like the discussion is more of an attempt to make discussion and doesn't have a useful purpose to it.

I agree on the latter part of this. Larxene was posting mainly subpar material during RVS, but it is RVS. Nothing to really judge the hydra for. Plus, if you had that stance on what Larxene was doing, why did you say one sentence before you don't have a read on them. I understand that you meant 'solid stance' but you were correct in what you were accusing them of doing and you dont need to use your vote that sparingly towards the beginning of the game. Dont be afriad to take stance. In fact, not taking enough of them is possibly scum-tell.

Lynching all Liars is exactly what Swiss has said in which lynching liars is a good mentality for a bad town. It is something to keep in mind however how much someone has lied or kept mudding what they say. Lynching lurkers the first day....meh I'd rather lynch someone that is scummy in my opinion.

I agree with swissaiiiii and Larxene on this mentality. If you can muster up the votes, going after a possible scum lead is better than lynching inactives, imo.

Swiss why are tunneling me so early? Especially on something so weak that is even weaker than the last time. (DnD) I think I see what you are trying to do where you are trying to see if anyone is going to follow your opinion and look for bandwagoners and I kindof like it. =o I know I'm town and I want to believe your town. What ever I'm cool with pressure but let's establish this. Your case is full of air and it's not based on anything substantial besides your opinion.

So if you recognized he was trying to tunnel you to draw out potential scum to your wagon, why announce the plan and thus make it moot? A simple "your logic is full of air" post would have done the same thing minus un-earthing a potential plan.



The interaction between Swiss and GLG in the early part of the game is weird to say the least. Swiss seems to be pushing GLG quite hard for bad reasons. Bussing a scum-buddy? Thus far, I have liked your play more than GLG's, but you both seem kinda strange.



Just by looking at some of my posts, I was a real ***hole d1. Sorry bout that <_<

What is the point of this question? You asking Cello if it came down to himself, you, his brother, or Tiger which one would he lynch first and the second one? What do you wish to gain from this? More or less we are past RVS so why are you asking a question such as this so early on? Also you picked 3 people which have not been posting much. Cello, Ryunn, and Tiger have not been posting too much. Weird. I smell this as trying to seem more town.

I think this was one of my better posts d1. I correctly diagnosed that Cello was creating links with the above mentioned players. This is a legit vein of questioning.



Ryu's posts make sense to me. Called me out on all the right reasons. I would feel comfortable calling him Town.

Because I don't really see a solid case against him? D1 is usually hard to get by since there really isn't much to go with.

I dont know what game you were reading, but I highly over-reacted to several posts made by other players. I also tried to paint a few members in a bad light over silly reasons. If not scum-tell, it was just bad play in general. My lynch would have been considerable at that time in the game.

Also, Scumtiger doesn't buddy up with other scum members D1. Scumtiger doesnt buddy up with anyone really lol.

:<

Dont meta yourself. Does not help either way.



Swissaiii, why you be dodging questions, even if they are dumb question? You gotta go through the motions if you wanna be looking townie brownie. Maybe thats irrelevant, since you take pride in looking scummy then somehow getting people not to lynch you, yet still actually being scum.

Originally Posted by TigerWoods
Also, Scumtiger doesn't buddy up with other scum members D1. Scumtiger doesnt buddy up with anyone really lol. Neither does towntiger > . >
Vote: Tiger

You did defend acrostic and then you tried to beat the bush around it. Not only that, but this post makes me think you're either a)trying to say IM TOWNIE LOLZZ(but not actually because of that second part) or b)claiming indy which is a lot less likely.

How did you get the idea that he was claiming indy from his post? First of all, any decent mafia player would not even claim indy d1 and his post does not really reflect indy-tell, just dumb self-metaing. Stop drawing at straws please.




Cello just re-affirms his townie stances on the 3 aforementioned people. Idk if this is to throw town off his trial when he flipped or genuine protection. I would bank on the first, TBH.

Knowing cello, I would go after someone he rarely mentions or pushes hard as scum. Savage seems like a good candidate so far.

Cello-rule 11a. "Busing happens. However, it does not happen on the first page."

Ok. Scum cello said bussing happens. So we can either look at someone he bussed hard, or someone who bussed him hard. In Discworld, Swiss got a nice Cello and Gheb bus and came away looking fairly townie which helped him to reach endgame and take a win for the scum. Cello also hates playing as scum, so I have no doubt that he asked one of his buddies to bus him hard after it started to shift in his direction. I would honestly feel safer looking at those actually on the Cello wagon for potential mates.




Wtf is with the ryu glg wifom? We out of RVS bros, whats the deal?




X1 hyper tunnel Savage Nymph? Meh, I dont really know what to make of that atm. There was some savage fluff, but not enough to bring on such hate. Trying to get d1 over with asap? Why not content in those posts...you are usually quite informative as town.

Not getting why other players think not posting because others aren't is a good idea - there'll be scum hiding in this not posting for certain. Maybe a few dumb townies who are setting themselves up for a lynch - but definitely scum. Waiting on Acrostic. And Grump. Tom's not here either. GLG's posting without content.

Not getting why you are telling other players to post more content while all I have seen you done so far in the Day is tell Savage you will not answer it's questions because they are irrelevant. You ask questions make pseudo alliances and then tell people they are content-less while trying not to directly answer questions that may leave you with unwanted connections.





Enough for now, all up through Page 3. Will do more later.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@x1: through page 3, my top two picks would probably go to

GLG and Swissaiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

probably will change once I get closer to the current page.

 

[Ryunnosuke]

Shame Dourin died. At least we got the scum in the lynch.

My thoughts right now are that Kuz and Larxy are town. Kuz for his playstyle and Nymph because of the tunneling that Cello had on them.

I'm got FoS on Swiss and X1. Cello may have been scum but he was right about the bussing. Considering all of the drama he was going through lately in other games, I could see that he set himself up for a fall to clear the scum who will carry to the end.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I'm got FoS on Swiss and X1. Cello may have been scum but he was right about the bussing. Considering all of the drama he was going through lately in other games, I could see that he set himself up for a fall to clear the scum who will carry to the end.

You literally just read my mind. That was uncanny.

 

[Swiss]

Right.

Do not listen to X1, this is a classic case of him getting in over his head and thinking he is better than he is.

J - I confirmed you as town, so shut up and stop wondering why I did what I did yesterDay. It's how I play.

I thought Acrostic was indie - and how Kuz seemed to side with me a little earlier toDay (like what I did with J) and now has an FoS on me reeks of opportunism. Kuz, why am I scummy?

In fact, the only thing that could possibly count against me this game is me not answering J's questions yesterDay. And if any player here genuinely thinks that those questions were useful I will let myself get lynched in this game to show how ****ing stupid they are as a player. No offence J. You just tried to play in a style that isn't yours. Same as what X1's doing now. X1, explain to me why I am scum. If your reasons are either of the likely 1) J's questions - you're a ****** or 2) Cello flipped scum - you're even more of a ******. Don't insult my scum play, Jesus.

Ryu is probably town, I still think GLG is for pressuring me yesterDay, I'm not an easy target. I have a tough time believing X1 would be playing so thick as scum.

Lynch Kuz, then Grump (scum with Cello) then lynch Nabe (name that fits the bill -could change).

Also notice how scum killed someone I said was town, I was right. I'll be right again, and right again. Town's biggest weakness is not believing me because they're worried of getting outplayed by Swiss scum, regardless of the fact that when I AM Swiss scum they discount it as a real possibility (barring ridiculous circumstances).

Lynch Grump and Kuz.

 

[X1-12]

lol

 

[Swiss]

X1, explain to me why I am scum.

Do this or shut up and lynch Grump/Kuz.

I don't care which.

 

[X1-12]

Unvote
Vote: Swiss



lol

 

[#HBC | J]

GLG I see you viewing

Post something before you leave. Kthnxs.

Also I need to think....hmmm

X1 atm I'm gonna take my vote off Swiss for a reason that really needs to be done.

Unvote
Vote: Grump

 

[Swiss]

And there we have it.

X1 just doesn't know how to control town, which is fortunate for town.

Grump - content, now. Why did Cello did take the noose yesterDay if not to save you?

Vote Grump