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#HBC | marshy

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Blue Yoshi (1) - Blue Yoshi
§teel (1) - Cello_Marl
Omni (2) - Charged Achy Hobo, Kirbyoshi
Bunglefever (1) - §teel
Cello_Marl (4) - Macman, Bunglefever, Tom, Ryker
Macman (1) - Nix2100
Charged Achy Hobo (1) - Omni
Tom (1) - KevinM

Not voting (1): Ronike

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2/21 - Macman, Charged Achy Hobo
2/20 - Tom, KevinM, Kirbyoshi, Cello_Marl, Bunglefever, Blue Yoshi, Nix2100, Charged Achy Hobo, §teel
Inactive - Ryker

ryker's v/la

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with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

deadline = 2/25 midnight
 

KevinM

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Wow Ronike, I disagree with almost all of what you say.



Are you serious? What was the last noteworthy post you've seen from Macman? Aside from posting "will catch up keeping my vote on cello" once every page he hasn't done all that much and that's really out of character considering that Macman usually posts a lot. On the other hand Jungle posting fluffed jabs isn't that untypical - not saying that it's hard for scum to play but I can't see how voting Macman over him would be suspicious.



I think he hasn't been talked about enough and one of the few players to not get any attention. Not typical for Kevin imo but it's not concrete enough for a scumtell.



Odd.



FYI: He never actually made a case on Omni. He just cherry-picked some points I made against Omni earlier.



How is Scumfever more worthy of a lynch than Kirbyo, Blue Yoshi or Macman at this point? Do you agree with my reasoning on this issue or not? Why or why not?
What do you think about my case against Omni? What do you think about the way Kirbyo has joined the Omni "wagon"? What do you think of §teel? Do you agree with me that you haven't contributed a lot so far?
Scumfever is again blatantly trying to avoid getting out of the RVS.

Completely ok with Kirbyo dying for reasons I'll keep to myself for now.

Your case on Omni has merit but it also seems like you've just been continuing to justify your like first day vote which is a red flag to me.

Steel is townie to me

I disagree I think people just haven't been paying attention.

Ok with those three dying.
 

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At hobo: whether he cherry picked or not it was still an attempt to make a ****ty case on omni. He refuted points omni made (like you said, select ones) and then placed a vote. It's a case, albiet a really ****ty one.
 

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@Hobo: What's so odd about Ronike not knowing where his vote should be? I'm lost on that one too. Actually, I can see why Omni had left his vote where it was on BY, seeing as I did it too with Steel. There wasn't a reason to move it.
 

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Your case on Omni has merit but it also seems like you've just been continuing to justify your like first day vote which is a red flag to me.
How is it a red-flag? Am I not supposed to justify my vote on a player whom I consider scum?

@Hobo: What's so odd about Ronike not knowing where his vote should be? I'm lost on that one too. Actually, I can see why Omni had left his vote where it was on BY, seeing as I did it too with Steel. There wasn't a reason to move it.
"Not moving" a vote and "not voting at all" are two entirely different things. Votes always help discussion move along and I think it's out of character for Ronike to vote nobody at all. That's just imo though.
 

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Gheb/Chaco: Are you really suggesting that you pegged me as scum within the first page of the game?

If so, I apologize. Your ability to play Mafia far outshines my ability to comprehend your reasoning.
 

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It's not that I "pegged" you as scum. It's more that you freely admitted that you are when you said you were OK with lynching players for being "useless" while being actually suspicius of other players. That's selective scumhunting right there.

And being an arrogant douchebag won't help you this time. I didn't peg you as scum on the "first page" - you told me you're scum the moment I asked you whether you were actually suspicious of Blue Yoshi. You said "I can lynch him for being useless" which translates into "I'm scum looking for the most convenient lynch".
 

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Your translation seems to be a bit off. Also, are you suggesting that I'm playing a bad town game?

*shakes head*

Nevermind, I'd rather not get into this with you and let the game lose focus from everyone else again. It's pretty obvious that you're just being stubborn.
 

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Well, rereading, I don't think Tom is as scummy as I thought he was at the time. Embarrassing.

Omni, I love your defenses. Very compelling.

Kevin, why did you only vote for Tom when I unvoted him? And why are you not giving your reasons of why you want me dead?
 

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i can already tell this is going to be a nightmare.

@kirbyoshi: ok, let's make you actually play mafia.
1.) why did u originally find Tom scummy? what changed your mind? be specific.
2.) why dod you find my scummy? try not to skim and break a single post and use it as your argument.
3.) who are your other suspicions

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getting through this holding Tom's hand may not be enough. idk how imma weed through scummy, dumb, inactive, some and/or all of the above. i need another hand which would be Mac but he's not playing his oldself this game. so kevin u should take my hand as well.

unvote

going to do a quick reread. i have an exam tomorrow i should be studying for but i wanna get one more read in to see if my nose catches anything
 

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posting to avoid a prod, i really dont know when its coming but i havent check this thread this weekend

going to post from the desk tomorrow morning
 

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Nix2100 #50 - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9583472&postcount=50

Refrains from answering my questions. Do not like.


Ronike #77 - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9588282&postcount=77

Ronike's first real post and it's awful. Very awful.


Steel #81 - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9588619&postcount=81

Interesting that Steel finds Ryker's reason for keeping his vote on Ronike silly, but ignores Ronike's reasoning in post #77 mentioned above. Don't like.

Ronike #86 - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9588800&postcount=86

After voting Ryker he immediately jumps onto Nix who isn't apart of his 3-man scum team that he calls out (Ryker/Me/Tom). This post just... just look at it yourself.

Hrm... lots of inactivity at this point. No Mac, Cello, Kirby, Blue. Oh, nevermind. Here's Cello posting another argument in this thread.

Receiving GG vibes from Ryker #144 - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9592295&postcount=144

Cello posts serious for the first time #146. Looks like pseudoscumhunting at its finest. - http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9592318&postcount=146

Bungle no love Ronike #150

Chaco/Gheb #160 - him voting me. Starting to get the vibe that they're tunneling horribly i.e. dumb and not scum.

Hrm. Steel #170-180. Kinda' dodging questions and being extremely vague. Don't like it.

Nix #180 - gah... finally posts, repeats everything that has been said. definitely hitting the useless category where i cant tell if he is dumb or scum

Mac is camping hardcore. More gg vibes from Ryker.

--- stopped at page 6 ---

let me narrow this down.
ggs - tom, ryker, maybe kevin
dumb - nix, chaco/gheb
useless - kirby, blue yoshi, cello, mac
scummy - ronike, steel, cello, mac
??? - jungle

chaco/gheb was the hardest for me to categorize since he was teetering scum and dumb. starting to think he's just tunneling and the smoking gun effect has been pushing him for the majority of the game. also, mac is starting to piss me off for not posting like usual so he can die as well

but yea ronike steel and cello make me uneasiest in that order
 

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Yeah, Omni... When I went after Nix? That was because Tom said Nix didn't seem scummy and wanted me to elaborate in his #80. Not flipflopping, I just decided that he was prolly just being dumb and to move onto people playing weird/in their scum pattern. And my 77 I already said wasn't too serious.

However, TBQH, I'm still not that comfortable with Tom, he's buddying left and right, while at the same time, having arguments with people that conveniently seem to loop back onto him eventually, which he likes to do as scum. It's not enough to lynch him with, but enough to not have him on my ggs list.

Yeah, and about not throwing my vote around, I really don't do that unless I'm confident it will at least lead places. In a ****storm of different accusations and wagons, another one definetely won't lead anywhere.
 

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I haven't posted but once in this game yet, been extra busy. So,Im dropping and letting Gheb take full reigns.
 

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I'm sorry guys, I've been really busy lately. At this point, no point saying why (usual busy stuff, which is no longer a john...). I do have a long time of freedom Monday, so I'll make sure to make a useful post at that time. If not, then... well, I guess you guys have more than enough reason to vote me for inactivity (though I still want to stay in the game).

I am not trying to coast this game at all... it's just that... well, first off, I'm dead tired and reading will be pointless, and second, there's over 300 posts to read... so I'll just do that tomorrow.

So yeah... sorry for the inactivity. Once I'm no longer busy, I'll probably be one of the more active posters (assuming I'm still around lol).
 

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Back and caught up.

1.) I read one of Omni's posts and he used the acronym "BIM" what the hell does that mean?

2.) Kirbyo, BlueYo, and Nix are giving me a headache and I don't like any of them. It's nothing horribly scumtastic, but it isn't helping at all.

3.) Gheb (not Chaco apparently), caaaaaaaaaaaaaaalm down. You're tunneling hardcore on a case I don't agree with. Until just recently you've been completely useless in everything else. Thanks for joining the rest of the game.

4.) Kevin, if you want to join Omni, then can you please explain why the hell you voted Tom?

5.) Ronike, you said Tomafia likes to use arguments that loop back to him. Don't quite get what that means. It's obvious something in the meta is off to you, but I don't know what you're saying exactly.

6.) Kevin again, in your previous post, you said that meta is useless. I thoroughly disagree with you, but if you say we shouldn't take previous games into account, then why didn't you vote Blue Yoshi on Day 1?

7.) Macman needs to step up his activity. His posts are helpful, they're just not plentiful. In a game full of stupidity and inactivity, we don't need you gone too.

8.) Blue Yoshi, do you need a sub? Not gonna be hatin' if you do, it's just that you've only been able to make about 3 helpful posts.

Those were the majority of the points I wanted to raise on the things I read. They aren't quite in order and a lot of players were addressed.

I see little wrong with my Cello vote, atm. However, Ronike is right in that the town's ideas have created a ****storm of votes. We've got 4 days till deadline and aside from 4(?) votes on Cello, we've got a completely divided town.
 

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Omni said:
Looks like pseudoscumhunting at its finest.
At first, I thought you were just trying to bait a reaction, but you seem to think this is really true. Was my question to Ryker useless? The question to you? Both? Or are they only in concert pseudo-scumhunting? Why?

@Ryker: What acceptable level of activity do I need to get to to satisfy you? Or are you staying on me for another reason?
 

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7.) Macman needs to step up his activity. His posts are helpful, they're just not plentiful. In a game full of stupidity and inactivity, we don't need you gone too.

His posts were helpful? How? He has made a total of 12 posts. One was in the RVS where he claimed Freeze. 2 of his other posts were votes, one on me and one on Cello, where neither had any reasoning to it, it was just a vote post. His 8 other posts in my opinion are completely useless, with his only useful post was where he was questioning me.....


@Cello - You do realize you have a decent bandwagon on you correct? Your 3 votes away from getting lynch, and your defense is to ask if your questions were useless? Do you not care about getting lynched at all or are you just not paying attention?
 

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Tom said:
dont choose me as your scum partner im not good as scum anymore
I thought at first this was scummy, not so much for the WIFOM (as mentioned), but more for the AtE. But that’s far from enough to build a case around.
Tom said:
if kevinm is scum, its up to everyone else to figure that out
This made me uneasy at the time, even as a joke. Like he was setting up later to say something like “I TOLD you it was your job to figure out if he was scum lol”.
KevinM said:
We gonna run this game or what?
Tom said:
How would we even try to run the game?
Kevin’s quote was directed at Tom, and Tom’s quote was directed at me. As if I didn’t read Kevin’s post. Or Tom’s “brilliant plan” ABOUT running the game with Kev.
Tom said:
ryker why was that funny to you?
This made me “wtf” at Tom. It was an obvjoke, I mean come on.
Tom said:
omni, steel was last to vote over ronike and macman.
Still don’t see how this makes §teel’s vote more suspicious. If Ronike had been the only one to vote for Nix, what would you have done? BUT WAIT, THERE’S MORE! You were also on Nix before you switched to §teel. If you had been the last one to vote for Nix, would you consider your own vote suspicious? I guess I “§teel” don’t understand this.
Tom said:
lol ronike, we are trying to move *out of* the rvs
Pretty obvious that Ronike’s vote was NOT a joke/random one, as he made a case, albeit such a crappy one it could be called one of mine, in the post before his vote. Might be a soft chainsaw. Those don’t hurt as much, y’know.
 

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better post Kirby. you mind not dodging my questions and answering them directly?

@kirbyoshi: ok, let's make you actually play mafia.
1.) why did u originally find Tom scummy? what changed your mind? be specific.
2.) why do you find me scummy? try not to skim and break a single post and use it as your argument.
3.) who are your other suspicions
 

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As scum, I think Tom tends to throw suspicion onto his scum mates more often than most so that if one goes down, the others look better. His arguments have just felt kinda artificial to me, that's what I meant.

But seeing as how we have three days left til deadline, I think we should try to start deciding who to lynch. I'd be comfortable with Tom (although I understand if no one agrees with me), §teel, or BY at this point. BY's last post really just rubs me wrong, as if he's just been lurking and wants to pretend he just wasn't here. Don't like inactives. §teel just rubs me wrong, not in any real way I can explain.

But im going to

Vote blueyoshi

unless he can show me that he really is going to be active
 

#HBC | Mac

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So if macman and Tom could post their reasoning for voting him that be great, I can understand a few votes to try to pressure someone into posting, but getting 5 votes out of 7 needed to lynch seems like a bit much.
I voted him because he was being incredibly active in another game. And there I was pretty sure he was town, so I figured as town he'd be incredibly active here as well. He was viewing the thread and decided not to post, which bothered me. And I like wagons.

Not particularily, in fact, I find people voting mac over bungle yada yada to be more note worthy, considering he's been playing macman, and a more helpful than usual one at that.
I don't really understand this. I haven't really been doing anything, I barely remember posts I've made this game. How exactly have I been more helpful? How exactly have I been playing Macman? I'm wary of people defending me. Especially because I know scum like to have scummates on both sides of an argument/point/topic, to distance themselves from eachother. So whenever anyone takes a ******** stance on something (like being ok with my activity) then that **** bugs me.

As I was reading from p7, Kevin and steel were the most suspect to me. Kevin was suspect because his reason for pushing JF was weak, and that had been the only thing he's been holding on to this entire game. He didn't really seem to be commenting on other stuff. Steel because he followed Kevin on JF's lynch without really giving any reasoning for it. And it didn't really make sense why anyone would be on it. He also stated that the Cello wagon seemed opportunistic but never explained why. Can you tell me why you thought that wagon was opportunistic? Also, steels defending of omni seemed random and unnecessary. It seemed like what Gheb was saying was something that should be answered by Omni. The fact that you were answering for him seemed odd to me.

After Kirb's post. I def was getting scum from him. But then like everyone and their mother immediately spouted something about how he was scummy. And when everyone, including people I am suspect of, place suspicion on someone, I become wary. Especially now since it's only a few days before the deadline, I think kirbyoshi would have been an easy wagon for scum to want to latch on to.

I no longer think Kevin is that scummy, atleast compared to some others so I'm not really down for pushing his lynch. I'm steel[lol] bothered by steel. I know people were suspect of him earlier in the game, but I don't remember why, so I have to reread to remember why.

Liked Tom's play, well atleast when he was active. He needs to get active again, because I've noticed that it's a common trend for Tomscum to be active in the beginning and then start going inactive. Just realized that Tom has been scum in like every recent game I've played with him.

Omni is def town. Probs won't vote for him any time soon. Think Ghebby is town too, just misdirected. Think Tom is town too, atleast for now.

Ryker and Blue Yoshi have been completely off my radar. Though I don't think Ryker is scum for some reason.

Nix is fairly neutral. Not sure how I feel about him. I think it was good that he was voting me (because it seemed like natural OMGUS), but then I thought about it more, and it seemed like an easy vote to make. Especially when you consider the fact that he barely has stated anything else other than how EM differs from SWF. Easily could have been him trying to not be lurky.

Don't like Cello, because he hasn't done anything. He can die.

Steel, I think is suspect.
 

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In most of your posts, you told us where your head was at instead of just being noncommital, something I thought was very not scummy, and I just didn't see anything weird with your play, so thats where my head was at when whoever asked me if I thought your wagoners were suspect.
 

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Not liking Ryker's last post at all. It seems really..unhelpful and fluffy
 

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What's wrong with the case? Be specific.
You're nailing him for leaving a vote on someone who was being useless. If you want someone to show up to the table and act, what's the first thing you do?

Next you claim he ignored you, which is true, but I don't see how it strengthens your argument because you had precious little to begin with.

You two going back and forth is distracting and I don't think it's going to head in a direction you want it to. It's detrimental to town.

Not liking Ryker's last post at all. It seems really..unhelpful and fluffy
Letting you know what I'm thinking. Don't have much more to add at this point. Would it have looked any better if all my points had been said when they were first brought up?

Ironically, this makes me think about it and I generally find Bungle's posts to be fluffy and unhelpful.

No one has told me what BIM means.
 

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Bad Idea mafia. Instead of lynching there are a bunch of dayvigs. Go look it up if you want more.
 

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Feel a bit better about macman after his last post.

While I don't really get a scummy feel from Cello...he certainly isn't giving me any argument to believe that he is town either and like I mentioned above, he either isn't paying attention, or just doesn't care that he is 3 votes away from getting lynched.

Going to attempt (another) read through, If I can't find anythings solid I may just through my vote on Cello.
 

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Kay. Reads right now.

Anyway, I've gotta go now, I have a class in 15 minutes. I need to read Chaco's game next time I log on as well.
 

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Dude, Nix, you do realize Cello hasn't even gotten on since you made that post right? Why you pushin so hard on someone you dont think is scummy?
 

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@Omni: K.
Omni said:
why did u originally find Tom scummy?
See the case.
Omni said:
what changed your mind? be specific.
I realized that some of my points were not as strong as I had thought. For example, on the one about Tom not being a great scum player, I realized that AtE does not a case make. And I think I understand now where he’s coming from on why he won’t look hard at Kevin. I still don’t agree with it, but I see more clearly where he’s coming from on that.
So anyway, about why I find you scummy:
Omni said:
Who are all these new people!?... 10. Kirbyoshi
I don’t like the fact that you seem to have completely forgotten that we have played together before, or that you asked generic blanket questions to everyone you haven’t played with before. Call this a fallacy all you want, but it seems to me you’re trying too hard to look townie.
Omni said:
welp based on your useless responses, i'm fine with that
I don’t see how Blue’s answers were that useless. A bit n00b-ish maybe, but not useless. Mind explaining how they were?
Omni said:
none of these questions incriminate you.
They seemed to incriminate Blue Yoshi pretty well to you.
Omni said:
also u should notice how Kirbyoshi dodges the questions
Funny joke, dude. Srsly.
Omni said:
i'm on cello_marl bandwagon in spirit to avoid a quick lynch.
Again trying too hard. He was pretty obviously not at L-1, or even L-2.
Omni said:
Tom is taking care of Nix
Last time I checked, in Mafia it usually takes more than one person to “take care” of someone.

My other suspicions…hmm let’s see…Blue for inactivity…Ryker for tone (I know, crappy tell is crappy)…slight suspicion on Cello, conditional on another ongoing game. And I’m still suspicious of Tom, but not quite as much now as I am of Omni, and Tom’s probably not going to be lynched D1 anyway (stupid swf -_-).

Also, for the record, Fever’s new avy makes me horny. Just saying.
 
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