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[Charged Achy Hobo]

do you think he legitimately wanted to lynch by asap or do you think he may have just been pressuring by to get his *** in the game and help?

This is why I asked him in the first place. His response implied that it was rather the former than the latter. He seemed to be more confident in his votes on Blue Yoshi and Cello than his "scumtells" on you and Ronike (which he never cared to elaborate either) while at the same time he considered BY a viable lynch target for merely being "useless".

 

[Nix2100]

Yes, I have read it and I still don't see why you choose Macman for his lack of input or Omni for the sake of a bandwagon.

Your not getting Steel mixed up with me are you?

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

This is why I asked him in the first place. His response implied that it was rather the former than the latter. He seemed to be more confident in his votes on Blue Yoshi and Cello than his "scumtells" on you and Ronike (which he never cared to elaborate either) while at the same time he considered BY a viable lynch target for merely being "useless".

Which makes me think that he's going for the scapegoats (Blue Yoshi, inacitve) before the people he thinks are actually scum (Ronike, you) - is it coincidence that his prefered targets are also the one's that can't fight back as well as the people who he actually thinks are scummy?

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Your not getting Steel mixed up with me are you?

Uhm, no I don't?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Vote Count
Tom (1) - Kirbyoshi
Blue Yoshi (1) - Blue Yoshi
§teel (1) - Cello_Marl
Omni (1) - Charged Achy Hobo
Bunglefever (2) - KevinM, §teel
Cello_Marl (5) - Macman, Bunglefever, Tom, Omni, Ryker
Macman (1) - Nix2100

Not voting (1): Ronike

Activity
2/20 - Tom, KevinM, Kirbyoshi, Cello_Marl, Bunglefever, Blue Yoshi, Macman, Nix2100, Charged Achy Hobo, §teel
2/19 - Ronike, Omni, Ryker
Inactive -

ryker's v/la is noted

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with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

deadline = 2/25 midnight

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

I also think that both Yoshis are extremely unproductive and I don't their votes are very effective where they are now.

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

*don't think

 

[Steel]

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Also, I don't see how jungle is scummy and I find both his voters (KevMo and now §teel) extremely hard to trust and feel that they try to nudge us in the wrong direction. Especially with such blatant scumbags as Omni around.
I agree that Cello at L-2 looks a bit extreme but I don't think that jungle is the scummiest of the bunch. Omni is scum and I also don't see why jungle's a better vote than Macman.

FoS §teel until he explains this in detail. His vote matches his playstyle so far which makes me even more uneasy about him.

also what do you mean im nudging us in the wrong direction? if you think omni is the only correct direction then everyone is wrong.

i think the CELLO WAGON is the wrong direction, thus me voting elsewhere.

dont feel necessary to unvote bungle till i get a solid reason to do so.

 

[Omni]

omni do we still got this? what do you think where should we go right now. im still feeling cello is the best votesink right now until he proves me wrong. right now this whole game needs to prove me wrong.

we still got this.

Tom is scum. Too tired at quarter after 3 to post a case, but I'm pretty sure Tom is scum. There are several people who could be his buddies, i.e. Omni, Ryker, Kevin, Ronike.

absence for days and we have this as the new post? *puts in the useless plate* you're going to have to step it up and play Mafia.

Then we have Omni who was pretty adamant about lynching BY (who wasn't even here), Then switching to Steel for a reason he didnt specifiy....and then finally switching to Cello in the "spirit to avoid a quick lynch".

...

Omni was adamant about leaving a vote on the useless Blue Yoshi. do you really think i'd have scum pointed out within the first page of the game? jesus christ.

read, ****it. YOUR previous post I believe stated how Steel's playstyle was similar to his scum playstyle in a previous game. also, both him and ronike rubbed me the wrong way, but again, there's no way i'd be as stupid as Chaco/Gheb and mark them as scum so early in the game.

then i switched to Cello because Tom asked me to. i was going to NOT vote him because i didn't know how many people were on his wagon and i wanted to keep my vote on Steel thus i was voting him "in spirit". you're definitely reading into things completely differently then how it is said.

I'm not trying to apply pressure - I flat out try to get him lynched asap. Other points?

- Not responding to my initial accusation. Saying "I ignored it because everybody else did" doesn't do it.
- Stalling the discussion and dragging it out by asking me to re-emphasize. Probably an attempt to make it look less significant.
- Attacking the player with ad-hominem instead of tackling the argument.
- Obvious contradiction: Labeling the ponits as "weak" but still asks for the main points of the argument later.
- Nudging Ronike and §teel but selectively going after easier targets like Blue Yoshi and an inactive.

Keep in mind that those points are only additions to the original accusation (which he still failed to adress). The fact that he's still not lynched yet blows my mind.

Get your head out of your *** and stop tunneling, you two. I can't believe BOTH of you are this narrowminded so early into the game.

You think my vote on Blue Yoshi was an attempt to get him lynched? Dumb logical deduction is dumb.

You think me asking you to clarify your argument was an attempt to stall? Stall for what? You're the only person with the idea that I was attempting to get rid of Blue Yoshi in the beginning of the game as opposed to placing a very well deserved vote on him to get him to stop becoming useless. You two are not that dumb to be blind of that. I don't need to stall because everyone sees your argument as insignificant. Do you not realize that?

Wasn't attacking you. I was just being a douche bag.

Nudging Ronike and Steel into what? What are you even saying at this point? I've been both Ronike and Steel's ***. Do you have a restriction where you have to tunnel on one person?

hobo what i dont like about your case is that im pretty sure omnis vote was on by before i went on my rage of scummy posts. he said he was watching us and was applying pressure but just didnt move his vote until later. i dont think his vote on by was to get him lynched. but was his vote change to me because he legitimately felt it should be there or because he was under pressure for being on by's wagon and not voting me or ronike

steel gets it.

Except that I specifically asked him why he votes Blue Yoshi over his other suspicions (which at that time were you and Ronike). He said he doesn't think Blue Yoshi isn't as scummy but just "useless". Could a scumbag play more convenient than that? Why would town want to lynch a useless player over a scummy one?

I consider this a significant slip on Omni's part.

how are you still harping on the idea that my first early vote on Blue Yoshi was an attempt to lynch him? have you not played a bajillion mafia games to not know what a pressure tactic is?

do you think he legitimately wanted to lynch by asap or do you think he may have just been pressuring by to get his *** in the game and help?

steel gets it again.

This is why I asked him in the first place. His response implied that it was rather the former than the latter. He seemed to be more confident in his votes on Blue Yoshi and Cello than his "scumtells" on you and Ronike (which he never cared to elaborate either) while at the same time he considered BY a viable lynch target for merely being "useless".

whoa... i was confident with leaving a vote on Blue Yoshi until he stopped being useless. however, there was no "confidence" in me voting Cello Marl. i'm starting to think you're fishing for an argument. Tom asked me to join the wagon while I had a vote on Steel; Tom had been taking care of Nix/Cello while I've been focusing on Ronike/Steel. my only confidence was in the fact that Tom and I have taken hands.

i elaborated very thoroughly on my scumtells on Ronike. you know what i got? "sorry omni. i'll play better" and essentially a confessed AtE.

im starting to think you're not paying attention to the game. more on you later.

Which makes me think that he's going for the scapegoats (Blue Yoshi, inacitve) before the people he thinks are actually scum (Ronike, you) - is it coincidence that his prefered targets are also the one's that can't fight back as well as the people who he actually thinks are scummy?

*facepalm*

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Nix - read the game again. your reads are very off and i dont think anyone agrees with them. when you're rereading don't just repeat arguments or state facts. interpret them. logically deduce motives. no offense, but you're currently in my USELESS pile.

Blue Yoshi - glad to have you back. you're in my USELESS and INACTIVE pile as well. can't wait for you to change my mind on that when/if u start contributing.

Kirbyoshi - also in my USELESS pile and INACTIVE pile. start over and follow the advice i gave Nix.

Macman - get into the game. you're in my INACTIVE pile. slowly moving into my useless pile but your small read statements have been similar to mine

Tom - golden

Steel - hm. your fate depends on how well you measure against Ronike. id like to say that you're buddying me by defending me against Chaco/Gheb's obvious dumb argument, but i don't know if i see that the case. regardless, at this point i'd prefer Ronike dead over you

Ronike - i have you in my SCUMMY pile with a hint of INACTIVE and USELESS. if you're town, you're playing horrible and i've never seen you play such a horrible townie game. you're normally on point and on top of things (BIM). here, you're latching onto week arguments, attempting to justify week arguments, contributing only to answer a question about game mechanics, appealing to emotion, etc.

Kevin - ive been looking at your case towards Jungle. eh, idk, the only reason why i'd start a bandwagon is because i like your gut instinct but i dont even have a read on you so i cant

Chaco/Gheb - obviously in the USELESS pile. blatantly tunneling from Page 1 and failing to see basic mafia tactics from TWO different people doesnt add up to me. you've just now started to move into the SCUMMY pile because:

- you refuse to branch out
- you continue to justify a weak argument that has been deemed weak by several players
- your newest justifications are fudged and raises an eyebrow making me wonder how ur even coming up with these deductions

basically, you're playing a horrible, weak town game. if you're scum, you've failed in getting a single person to support your attempted mislynch so you're playing a horrible scum game as well.

step it up because you're being left behind and losing all credibility in any future claims you may or may not make in the future

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Scumni dead yet?

 

[Omni]

which is why you're being ignored by nearly everyone

i'm going to go ahead and unvote and start a much deserved wagon

Vote: Charged Achy Hobo

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

In all seriousness though he should've been lynched long ago. §teel tries to come up with an explanation for Omni's behaviour and all of a sudden Omni insists that §teel's "got it right". How convenient. Especially since you tried to hide the fact that your "defense" was a blatant parrot behind more ad-hominem, AtEs and empty threats.

Knowing Omni it's going to be pointless to refute his "argument" anyways because he's gonna circle-jerk it and let it go nowhere. You've been nudging Ronike hard. You said "he's so scum" but you don't vote him but make no attempt to even elaborate. One thing I'd like for scum to do would be to discredit players that might become dangerous to you and that's exactly what you're doing so don't even come off with the "i dont kno what u mean" BS.

Vote cemented.

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

And there comes the OMGUS. Thanks.

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

So can we lynch him and call it a day?

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Also, why did it take you so long to even post answer? To have somebody else help you out? That's why I called it stalling. Strange how - right after Steel posts - you have a "perfect explanation" for everything.

 

[Omni]

You've been nudging Ronike hard. You said "he's so scum" but you don't vote him but make no attempt to even elaborate. One thing I'd like for scum to do would be to discredit players that might become dangerous to you and that's exactly what you're doing so don't even come off with the "i dont kno what u mean" BS.

Ronike you are so scummy this game

Omni you are so scummy in this game

Oh wait, I don't say anything, so it don't mean nothing... Ready to put your money where your mouth is yet?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9608949&postcount=219

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I've already pointed this out in my above analysis. You're definitely up to date with what is going on. Your stubbornness is losing you all credibility. Riding a vote from Page 1 and slowly justifying that the original vote was legit in all intents and purposes? This isn't Newbie Mafia and you're not a Newbie.

Just... sit back. I'll show you how to start a wagon.

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@above post: dumb meta is dumb. i was handling a massive BBR leak all day yesterday evening. dumb meta is still dumb (but seemingly desperate)

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Omni that doesn't mean Shit. You don't vote him, you make no attempt to convince others of him being scum - hence you nudging him but selectively going after easier targets.

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

I also love how for the thrid time in this game you vote neither of the people you called the most suspicious so far but go after the only player who's vocal about your lynch. Are we cracking under the pressure already?

 

[Omni]

1.) Vote was on Steel. Read up. At the time, I wanted them both dead.
2.) I don't need to campaign my reasons for finding Ronike scummy. He pretty much confessed that I was right and that he's going to step it up.
3.) Easier targets? As in... Steel... bw'ing Cello... and you? Yerp.

Dude, as I said. Just sit back.

Ninja'd: You're flailing. I voted Steel. The only reason why Ronike doesn't have a vote on him is because you starting to become much more deserving of one.

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

And since I'm on a roll I'd like to point out once again that you contradicted yourself. First you label my argument as weak but later you suddenly need me to re-emphasize it for you?

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Ninja'd: You're flailing. I voted Steel. The only reason why Ronike doesn't have a vote on him is because you starting to become much more deserving of one.

And there goes the next OMGUS.

 

[Ronike]

Ronike - i have you in my SCUMMY pile with a hint of INACTIVE and USELESS. if you're town, you're playing horrible and i've never seen you play such a horrible townie game. you're normally on point and on top of things (BIM). here, you're latching onto week arguments, attempting to justify week arguments, contributing only to answer a question about game mechanics, appealing to emotion, etc.

Quite honestly, this game has had so many votes literally flying in every direction imaginable that its been hard for me to gain bearings on anyone. I've been trying to pick up on someone I find really scummy, but its yet to happen.

That being said, Kirb, maybe you should actually play this game and explain to us why you think Tom's scummy, cause right now it just looks like one of your scumbuddies told you to cast suspicion on him and you couldn't be bothered to do it well.

Chac_01, could you move on to a new subject please? Annoying tunneling is annoying, especially on someone whos being more townie than you atm.

But both of you (Chac_01 and Omni) really oughta consider dropping the argument for a day, cause I feel like you guys are getting into arguing to argue territory, and you only gotta look at me vs mcfox in l4s to see how helpful that is....

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Chac_01, could you move on to a new subject please? Annoying tunneling is annoying, especially on someone whos being more townie than you atm.

But both of you (Chac_01 and Omni) really oughta consider dropping the argument for a day, cause I feel like you guys are getting into arguing to argue territory, and you only gotta look at me vs mcfox in l4s to see how helpful that is....

Vote stays but OK.

Do you think people voting Junglefever over the likes of Macman, Kirbyo and Nix are noteworthy? This is particularily in regards to §teel whom I consider scummy at this point. Do you agree that Kevin is under the radar and should get more attention? Why are you not voting?

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Eh I'm still bothered that nobody seems to be in favour of the Omni wagon. Might consider switching to §teel though if nobody's down for it.

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

*if nobody's down for the Omni train

 

[Omni]

@Gheb/Chaco: It should be obvious at this point that nobody's down for an Omni train. Move on and stop tunneling (which is the purpose of my bandwagon vote).

@Ronike: I can understand that. I'd like to see you be more vocal if possible.

 

[Ronike]

Vote stays but OK.

Do you think people voting Junglefever over the likes of Macman, Kirbyo and Nix are noteworthy? This is particularily in regards to §teel whom I consider scummy at this point.

Not particularily, in fact, I find people voting mac over bungle yada yada to be more note worthy, considering he's been playing macman, and a more helpful than usual one at that.

Do you agree that Kevin is under the radar and should get more attention?

Not really, I think if he wants jungle lynched, he needs to give more, but I wouldn't call him under the radar or anything.

Why are you not voting?

So many votes flying around already that I didn't feel the need to put mine down, not to mention that if I did, I wouldn't even know where to put it at this point.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

do you really think i'd have scum pointed out within the first page of the game?

You could at least try, instead of voting for someone who was on V/LA, so you know he's not going to answer.

then i switched to Cello because Tom asked me to.

Simply because Tom asked you to? That should NEVER be the basis for a vote, ever.

reread. i explained above but you're either skimming or didnt understand the context of the conversation.

I don't think this is supposed to be directed at me, as you attributed to me a post I don't remember making.

I don't need to stall because everyone sees your argument as insignificant.

This is based off of a false assumption. I don't think CAH's argument against you is that horrible at all.

I was just being a douche bag.

And how does that help town?

there was no "confidence" in me voting Cello Marl.

If you weren't confident about it, why vote him? And don't say it was because it was a pressure tactic, because you said in your previous sentence that you were confident in your Blue vote, which you say WAS a pressure tactic.

Yes ChargedTown, I'm down for an Omni train
Unvote Tom, Vote: Omni

 

[Omni]

this is going to be a long game

 

[Ronike]

Hey Kirb, so hows that thing on Tom comin?

 

[Blue Yoshi]

Sorry for the useless post (again), but... yeah, I'll have to do a re-read, and I don't have time for now (gotta go). I promise I'll make a useful post tomorrow (in real days, not game days )

 

[Steel]

not liking kirb at all right now.

he comes in after being wtfinactive for years and says tom is scum with 0 reasoning. now not trying to buddy omni at all but then he comes in with really bad reasoning and votes for omni acting as if the tom thing never happened.

anyone else getting bad vibes?

 

[Omni]

hard to tell, Steel. im getting a lot of dumb or scum vibes this entire game.

this going to be really hard

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I want to hear his case on Tom, I don't know if he had reread and came to taht conclusion or he had just read tha tlast page or something, but either way I'm confused as to how he goes from "Tom is scum, i'll make a case on it later' to making a case on Omni.

 

[Omni]

he took my last large post, dissected it instead of taking the entire argument, and only used pieces of my single post in order to come up with placid case in an attempt to start a bandwagon

 

[Cello_Marl]

That being said, Kirb, maybe you should actually play this game and explain to us why you think Tom's scummy, cause right now it just looks like one of your scumbuddies told you to cast suspicion on him and you couldn't be bothered to do it well.

Who in their right mind would trust Kirbyoshi to that job on his own?

I'm getting more dumb than scum from him.

 

[Steel]

LA until thursday. should have some access to hopefully make a post a day though.

 

[KevinM]

Unvote
Vote Tom

Sup bro?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

checking in, will read when i have the time

 

[Charged Achy Hobo]

Wow Ronike, I disagree with almost all of what you say.

Not particularily, in fact, I find people voting mac over bungle yada yada to be more note worthy, considering he's been playing macman, and a more helpful than usual one at that.

Are you serious? What was the last noteworthy post you've seen from Macman? Aside from posting "will catch up keeping my vote on cello" once every page he hasn't done all that much and that's really out of character considering that Macman usually posts a lot. On the other hand Jungle posting fluffed jabs isn't that untypical - not saying that it's hard for scum to play but I can't see how voting Macman over him would be suspicious.

Not really, I think if he wants jungle lynched, he needs to give more, but I wouldn't call him under the radar or anything.

I think he hasn't been talked about enough and one of the few players to not get any attention. Not typical for Kevin imo but it's not concrete enough for a scumtell.

So many votes flying around already that I didn't feel the need to put mine down, not to mention that if I did, I wouldn't even know where to put it at this point.

Odd.

I want to hear his case on Tom, I don't know if he had reread and came to taht conclusion or he had just read tha tlast page or something, but either way I'm confused as to how he goes from "Tom is scum, i'll make a case on it later' to making a case on Omni.

FYI: He never actually made a case on Omni. He just cherry-picked some points I made against Omni earlier.

Unvote
Vote Tom

Sup bro?

How is Scumfever more worthy of a lynch than Kirbyo, Blue Yoshi or Macman at this point? Do you agree with my reasoning on this issue or not? Why or why not?
What do you think about my case against Omni? What do you think about the way Kirbyo has joined the Omni "wagon"? What do you think of §teel? Do you agree with me that you haven't contributed a lot so far?