Batma(n)fia 2 | Ever had your *** kicked by Batman?

[#HBC | marshy]

Vote Count
Gheb_01 (2) - §teel, Bunglefever
Kirbyoshi (1) - Gheb_01

Not voting (5): Nix2100, Kirbyoshi, Macman, Omni, Ryker

Activity
3/4 - Omni, Gheb_01, §teel, Bunglefever, Ryker, Kirbyoshi, Nix2100
3/3 - Macman
inactive -

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with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

deadline = 3/13 midnight

 

[Steel]

and if Gheb is lyncher, and we lynch Gheb, then Kirbyoshi is clear. I feel a lot more strongly that Gheb is lyncher than I do that Kirbyoshi is scum. Reading the thread with the idea that Gheb is a lyncher only enforces this feeling. However, on a re-read with KevinScum and Cello_Scum in mind, Kirbyoshi doesn't seem like scum to me.

 

[Nix2100]

It could also be a possibility that HQ IS Kirby's safe claim, and the whole added "Joker may not be town-aligned" may be a mafia plot. If there was no Joker then "shrug" not sure what he would of planned doing, but having a Joker would of thrown some suspicion of off him.

 

[Steel]

It is possible, but I find it more likely that Gheb is a lyncher. All signs, for me, point to Gheb, from the number of players in the game to his behavior towards Kirbyoshi all game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Wow Steel, don't tell me you're that stupid. If people accuse me of being tunneled then how is Steel not guilty of exactly the same now?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryker you owe me answer to my question.

 

[Omni]

this is what i'm trying to explain to you.

whether you feel Gheb is more strongly lyncher or not, it is still an assumption based on meta.

the only fact that we have to work with is that Gheb and Kirbyoshi are not of the same alignment. meaning one of them is scum. the goal is not to prevent lyncher from winning, but to make sure town doesn't lose. meaning we want to finish this in one swoop and either nail scum today or have them pinned tomorrow.


if we lynch Kirbyoshi
1.) Lynch Kirbyoshi and he flips vanilla. Gheb is Mafia and only gets 1 night kill before dying the next day.
2.) Lynch Kirbyoshi and he flips vanilla (lynch target). Gheb is lyncher (exits) and mafia only gets 1 night kill.
3.) Lynch Kirbyoshi and he flips mafia. Gheb is clear. No nightkills.
4.) Lynch Kirbyoshi and he flips indy. Gheb is clear? 1 nightkill.


if we lynch Gheb
1.) Lynch Gheb and he flips vanilla. Kirbyoshi is mafia and gets 1 nightkill before dying the next day.
2.) Lynch Gheb and he flips vanilla. Kirbyoshi is indy and scum gets TWO NIGHTKILLS since Gheb will be lynhed the following day.
3.) Lynch Gheb and he flips mafia. Kirbyoshi is clear. No nightkills.
4.) Lynch Gheb and he flips indy (lyncher). Kirbyoshi is clear. Mafia gets 1 nightkill.

the biggest risk we make of allowing mafia to get 2 nightkills is with Gheb's lynch. this is based off the facts and not making any assumptions on the only scenario with Gheb being lyncher

 

[Nix2100]

This is true. and I must say that your logic does seem sound. Even still, the Joker as a Indy still leaves scum out and about. It might be better if we just ignore these 2 for the moment and move onto the other possibilities or like Omni said, look at those who would try to take advantage of the situation.

 

[Steel]

@gheb

How am I tunneled? I have repeatedly posted my suspicions and they have not simply been "Gheb." I was actually fairly confident in a read on you until about the end of day 3. In this situation, we have a dilemma of conflicting information, and either you or Kirbyoshi is anti-town. How is it tunneling, then, if I choose you over him?

 

[Omni]

EBWOP: 2.) Lynch Gheb and he flips vanilla.... . two nightkills since Kirbyoshi will be lynched the following day.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker you owe me answer to my question.

You'll get it. But I plan on making it much larger than I can manage before rereading.

 

[Nix2100]

boo, my post was directed at Steel.

Anyway Omni, are you saying our best option is to lynch Kirby and hope Gheb isnt a lyncher?

 

[Omni]

i'm saying that our safest option is to lynch Kirbyoshi.

if Gheb happens to be lyncher, he exits the game and we move on with Mafia only getting one free nightkill.

lynching Gheb gives us the only scenario where scum has a chance to get two free nightkills.

 

[Nix2100]

I thought the lyncher wins the game if his target is killed?

 

[Omni]

lyncher wins the game and exits. then the game continues between mafia and and town.

 

[Steel]

@omni

You are wrong when you say that my assumption is completely meta. And then you go and do your own classic Omni schtick where you analyze the setup to determine your choice without including your reads into the situation. I read Gheb as lyncher way more than I do Kirbyoshi as scum. That is why I made the decision to choose Gheb. Not because I'm minimizing defecits like you are, but because I am scum hunting. Kirbyoshi's play doesn't line up as indy. His play doesn't really line up as scum. Gheb's play lines up as indy. I am making my decision based on the read I think is right. You are making your decision based purely on the situation without regard to your reads. This is classic Omni.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He does. It's a matter of perspective as to whether or not you care if an indy beats you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Bah! Ninja'd again.

 

[Omni]

interesting, steel. so you are willing to risk town suffering two night kills just so u can prevent a lyncher from hitting his lynch target because that's your read?

fos steel

i also think you're the only one that thinks Kirbyoshi isn't the least bit scummy

 

[Nix2100]

@Steel - Your claiming to be scum hunting but are going after someone you think is a lyncher? Thats a bit...odd if I say so myself

 

[~ Gheb ~]

How the **** is my playstyle indy-like? Do people even have a clue what I play like when I'm indy? Steel you're pulling out fake arguments out of your ***.

It's also pretty ridiculous that I'm lynched because of the small chance that I could be indy, while people leave Kirbyoshi - who is flat-out SCUM - completely alone with his lies?

Terrible plan.

 

[Steel]

@omni

If you mean to ask "so you are willing to be wrong based on scumhunting instead of being wrong based on minimizing nightkills?" then yes.

@nix

it's not odd. By scum hunting, I imply that I think Gheb is scummier than Kirbyoshi, especially in the situation we are now in, which involves a possible lyncher.

@Gheb

Yes, I have a clue what you play like when you're indy, because you are (currently dead) indy in LoDscrew. And of course you think its ridiculous, because you are the Joker lyncher claiming Joker vanilla, and you want to lynch your target and be done with the game.

 

[Steel]

also @omni:

you so realIze last batmanfia when Indy won, scum got a metric ton of free kills, right? He won't just exit the game .

 

[Omni]

also classic omni is:

"hey guys i figured out how to beat the system"
"hey guys cloud is vanilla because i played ff7"

what you see now is me weighing the pros and cons and the risk involved with lynching both gheb and kirbyoshi under the given factual circumstances.

your entire argument that swayed this wagon from kirbyoshi to gheb was based on the fact that u:
1.) believe gheb is lyncher
2.) can picture Joker being indy

@above post:
realize that if your assumptions WRONG then we can suffer MULTIPLE nightkills. the reward of nailing lyncher does not outweigh the risk of getting double nightkilled.

explain what happened in the last batmafia for me

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Nix: For some people, scum=non-town, not necessarily mafia.

Also, I thought when an Indy who can win mid-game fulfills his win condition, game ends, and he is the only winner?

Vote: Gheb_01

Lynch All Liars. My role PM makes it clear that I am not aligned with the Joker, if he even is in the game. Could be a safeclaim. Keep in mind that Penguin was. He's a pretty popular Batman villain, isn't he? If Gheb isn't lyncher with me as his target, he's scum, pure and simple.

 

[Nix2100]

I'm starting to think that neither Gheb or Kirby are scum, and the last remaining scum is one of the people that aren't currently here. Although Steel still saying Gheb is just a lyncher and not scum and still wants to lynch him makes me a bit suspicious.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

My role PM makes it clear that I am not aligned with the Joker, if he even is in the game.

Earlier you claimed your role PM specifically said the Joker is scum and now he's "not alligned with you"? Because you're scum yourself, coorrect?

In you own words: Lynch all liars.

 

[Steel]

your entire argument that swayed this wagon from kirbyoshi to gheb was based on the fact that u:
1.) believe gheb is lyncher
2.) can picture Joker being indy

your entire argument that has you choosing kirbyoshi over gheb is based on the facts that u:

1.) are not scumhunting

in the last batmafia, when the independent won the game, a town power role was modkilled. It had to do with a harley quinn and joker situation. You can go read day 1 in that game if you want, because it happened on day 1.

@nix: then who do you think is scum? It only helps if you actually contribute to the game.

also where the **** is macman

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm starting to think that neither Gheb or Kirby are scum, and the last remaining scum is one of the people that aren't currently here. Although Steel still saying Gheb is just a lyncher and not scum and still wants to lynch him makes me a bit suspicious.

Mac is the only one who's not been here for this exchange, and I like Mac.

 

[Omni]

*rubs temples*

@Steel: i am not saying you are wrong. right now im trying to minimize damage. at the same time, my thoughts are that kirbyoshi is much more scummier than gheb. ill give u that vanilla HQuinn makes more sense than vanilla Joker. and i give u that a Joker lyncher role is extremely viable. i wasnt aware that Joker attempts to kill HQuinn all the time in the series.

@Nix: their statements contradict each other, Nix. one of them has to be scum.

i just realized that mafia is probably not involved in this quarrel at all. they have no reason to place themselves in a 50/50 situation UNLESS Kirbyoshi's claim is scum's last remaining last ditch effort.


hummityhummityhummityhuuuum


i'll decide later

@above post from steel: what the hell do you man i havent scumhunted? just go back and read my past 40 posts. i have a buttload of information on kirbyoshi on regards to why i find him scummy. stop being butthurt

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Gheb, I never said that my role PM stated that the Joker was scum. Misrep, added to fakeclaiming. Wonderful. I forget who asked me who the play for toDay was, but I found him.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

lol Kirbyo obvscum

 

[Nix2100]

Mac's been cleared already based on the fact that he was visited by Ronike (the nurse) when there was no kill. Also looking back, Gheb has been wanting to lynch Kirby since D3 atleast which makes me to believe even more that he is indeed the lyncher. In this case that just leaves Ryker, Bungle and Steel (for reasons I said above).

@Omni - Your right, they do contradict each other. It doesn't change the fact that Gheb could still be the lyncher, since he is indy and not allied with HQ because she is town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You guys seriously think I'm a lyncher? wtf

 

[Steel]

@omni: your past 10 posts have just been about minimizing damage instead of scum hunting. i want to lynch gheb because i think he is the right choice. you want to lynch kirbyoshi because you are worried about the losses of making the wrong choice. im not being butthurt, you are just being omni.

i think that we should let this situation calm down, so we dont make a decision now, and we continue discussion. macman hasn't gotten to weigh in yet, and i would love to see what omni decides later.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Steel that's bullcrap. If you think I'm a Kirbyo lyncher how can I be a good lynch? If I really was a lyncher I can literally do nothing now that my supposed target is there. Keeping Kirbyo alive is all you have to do to make me not win the game. So why lynch me?

You're lying Steel. You don't want to lynch me because you think I'm scum. But because it fits your situation.

 

[Nix2100]

Bah Gheb, you beat me to it. Was just about to post something like that myself.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

so I don't have to post anymore cuz im clear right?

 

[Steel]

@Gheb: from your perspective, if you are town, Kirbyo is the last scum, right?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, not necessarily.