Shouldn't role speculate, giving a big character a vanilla stops us from flavor hunting. Marshy hates flavor hunting.
Either way, Lynching gheb is the way to go
Either way, Lynching gheb is the way to go
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Batma(n)fia 2 | Ever had your *** kicked by Batman?
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kirbyoshis play doesnt line up to be a lyncher at all.
You're right.
ok, if you flip town then we'll kill kirbyoshi. easy choice
Dammit, meant to add:
"But isn't that why we're lynching Gheb?"
"But isn't that why we're lynching Gheb?"
It is, I'm just saying, that you shouldn't rule out the Joker flipping Vanilla anyway.
Besides, claiming is pointless because no one will claim mafia
Besides, claiming is pointless because no one will claim mafia
he claimed vanilla -_-
Unvote
I'll unvote and slow down, but I don't see why we shouldn't.
I'll unvote and slow down, but I don't see why we shouldn't.
God**** I've got to slow down my posting as well and stop this double toasting.
Omni, what's wrong with the plan as it stands?
Omni, what's wrong with the plan as it stands?
Vote Count
Gheb_01 (3) - §teel, Bunglefever, Gheb_01
Not voting (5): Nix2100, Kirbyoshi, Macman, Omni, Ryker
Activity
3/4 - Omni, Gheb_01, §teel, Bunglefever, Ryker, Kirbyoshi, Nix2100
3/3 - Macman
inactive -
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with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
deadline = 3/13 midnight
Gheb_01 (3) - §teel, Bunglefever, Gheb_01
Not voting (5): Nix2100, Kirbyoshi, Macman, Omni, Ryker
Activity
3/4 - Omni, Gheb_01, §teel, Bunglefever, Ryker, Kirbyoshi, Nix2100
3/3 - Macman
inactive -
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with 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!
deadline = 3/13 midnight
All three of you are voting under the pretense of a huge meta. It's really pissing me off.
Jungle's sudden wagon vote based on the pretense of a meta "could" be right does not sit well with me.
Slow the **** down. All of these accusations are being made based on how you guys are perceiving the game. That's a ****ing mistake so stop justifying your votes on it.
Okay, your suggestion. I still think lynching Gheb is the way to go.
Stop looking at "lynch scum today. deal with it tomorrow".
Look at the actions that are happening now because the game isn't over until all scum is dead. That includes both whatever the indy is and the remaining scum. Someone is taking advantage of the scenario whether it be a lynch on Kirbyoshi or a lynch on Gheb.
Really pissed at Jungle's quick bandwagon vote.
Really pissed at Ryker not slowing the **** down after I said no quick lynches.
Really pissed at Steel's sudden arrival to turn the lynch around on the pretense that we can just use the next day to lynch the other person.
My suggestion is to slow the **** down and figure out who is lookin' rather scummy at the moment besides the obvious. Unless Gheb and Kirbyoshi are both scum and indy, there's still somebody else out there trying to nudge things along.
Look at the actions that are happening now because the game isn't over until all scum is dead. That includes both whatever the indy is and the remaining scum. Someone is taking advantage of the scenario whether it be a lynch on Kirbyoshi or a lynch on Gheb.
Really pissed at Jungle's quick bandwagon vote.
Really pissed at Ryker not slowing the **** down after I said no quick lynches.
Really pissed at Steel's sudden arrival to turn the lynch around on the pretense that we can just use the next day to lynch the other person.
My suggestion is to slow the **** down and figure out who is lookin' rather scummy at the moment besides the obvious. Unless Gheb and Kirbyoshi are both scum and indy, there's still somebody else out there trying to nudge things along.
Firstly:
1.) Kirbyoshi was being lynched under the pretense that he is the scummiest player up to date. His claim opened up the possibility that he could telling the truth, yet Gheb responded by CC'ing the Joker claim. If the Joker was anything BUT town why the hell would he CC? The ONLY explanation which is extremely farfetched is the possibility that Gheb is a Joker lyncher with Harley Quinn as the target. Not to say that this is impossible, but holy **** it is not very likely and to justify a vote based on this reasoning is absurd.
2.) Gheb is now almost quicklynched based on this extremely horrible reasoning. Ryker, you ate it up like cookies and Jungle and Steel followed up. Dumb Gheb self-voted which would NOT be in his favor if he scum or indy seeing as that Kirbyoshi would obviously vote Gheb under the same pretense you numbskulls have been making.
Are you with me so far? Good.
@Jungle and Steel: Justify your reasoning for voting Gheb over Kirbyoshi one more time for me.
@Ryker: Keep quiet. I'd rather stay trusting you so don't say anything that those two could possibly echo.
1.) Kirbyoshi was being lynched under the pretense that he is the scummiest player up to date. His claim opened up the possibility that he could telling the truth, yet Gheb responded by CC'ing the Joker claim. If the Joker was anything BUT town why the hell would he CC? The ONLY explanation which is extremely farfetched is the possibility that Gheb is a Joker lyncher with Harley Quinn as the target. Not to say that this is impossible, but holy **** it is not very likely and to justify a vote based on this reasoning is absurd.
2.) Gheb is now almost quicklynched based on this extremely horrible reasoning. Ryker, you ate it up like cookies and Jungle and Steel followed up. Dumb Gheb self-voted which would NOT be in his favor if he scum or indy seeing as that Kirbyoshi would obviously vote Gheb under the same pretense you numbskulls have been making.
Are you with me so far? Good.
@Jungle and Steel: Justify your reasoning for voting Gheb over Kirbyoshi one more time for me.
@Ryker: Keep quiet. I'd rather stay trusting you so don't say anything that those two could possibly echo.
Explain why you think this immediately, Gheb.I think of these ppl Steel is the one who tries to benefit from this situation the most.
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Ok, im curious now. Kirby, what was it in your role that said that the joker was not town-aligned? Can you give any details without copy+paste? Is it entirely possible you just mis-read your role PM?
@Omni - I doubt it means much >_> But I think I finally like you =P
@Omni - I doubt it means much >_> But I think I finally like you =P
Top 3 dislikes. Kirbyo, Gheb, and,... hrm.
Omni and Mac are the only ones I really like.
Kirbyo has played scummy all game. If Gheb is town Joker, then I want him gone.
Gheb is being painted as the victim here, but remember what he's done earlier. I really can see an indy or scum here.
These two are the ones I wanted gone the most, but their respective claims makes it hard to condemn one without stating the possibility of condemning the other.
After that I have Bungle, TheNix, or Steel.
Steel's been across the board, imo.Sometimes appearing town, sometimes appearing scum. I'd probably promote a Steel lynch if Kribyo and Gheb weren't there.
Bungle has been riding the fence like a bronco at a rodeo and had Kevin's half-hearted lynch attempt. Not thinking of very many redeeming protown moments of the top of my head.
TheNix seems to be unwilling to scumhunt at all. Other than that, I've got nothing.
IMO, Macman is GG.
Omni is def town, imo.
I'm going to have to reread to decide some of my opinions after Kirbyo and Gheb because there's three people there that I don't like.
Omni and Mac are the only ones I really like.
Kirbyo has played scummy all game. If Gheb is town Joker, then I want him gone.
Gheb is being painted as the victim here, but remember what he's done earlier. I really can see an indy or scum here.
These two are the ones I wanted gone the most, but their respective claims makes it hard to condemn one without stating the possibility of condemning the other.
After that I have Bungle, TheNix, or Steel.
Steel's been across the board, imo.Sometimes appearing town, sometimes appearing scum. I'd probably promote a Steel lynch if Kribyo and Gheb weren't there.
Bungle has been riding the fence like a bronco at a rodeo and had Kevin's half-hearted lynch attempt. Not thinking of very many redeeming protown moments of the top of my head.
TheNix seems to be unwilling to scumhunt at all. Other than that, I've got nothing.
IMO, Macman is GG.
Omni is def town, imo.
I'm going to have to reread to decide some of my opinions after Kirbyo and Gheb because there's three people there that I don't like.
Good point. Scum would benefit from changing the order of the lynches, however, scum would only be able to differentiate between the two if they themselves were an Indy. Mafia themselves would not be able to tell the difference between Kirbyoshi and Gheb being indy/vanilla so the order for them would not matter. An Indy role is the only role that would benefit from the mislynch orders and it is the only role that can confirm if the order of the lynches is favorable or not.
Both Jungle and Steel need to fully explain themselves and address the questions/comments I made in the previous posts.
Afraid that I missed it. My apologies. However, it did more than a little good in prompting me to reread. I'm gonna drive home now from the university. Be back in 10 minutes.
@omni
Gheb put Kirbyoshi at L-2 and said it was L-1. You called him out on it, and he said it wasn’t a mistake. That seems telling. I’m not trying to rush the day by flipping the vote from Kirbyoshi onto Gheb. Kirbyoshi’s claim makes much more sense than Gheb’s claim; Gheb has played a very nice lyncher strategy that I’m sure you’ve also used on aimafia – go after one player (Omni), and then “settle” for a different player who is actually your target (Kirbyoshi).
Gheb’s statement that we “lose two nights” against the mafia is crap because suddenly he now thinks that Kirbyoshi is independent? I’m pretty sure from his point of view Kirbyoshi would be mafia, not independent. He is only saying we would lose two nights because he has been shown to be independent, and it is a one or the other situation with him and Kirbyoshi, so he has decided that Kirbyoshi should be “independent” too. But if Kirby is lying, he wouldn’t be indy, he would be scum. But since Gheb is indy, he failed to see that.
Omni, you chastised us for going off of meta, but you need to see that there is a good time to do it and there is a bad time to do it. People often blame you for “relying on meta” too much, but that’s not what this is. Hush flipped doctor and vigilante. Catwoman flipped investigative. Poison Ivy flipped roleblocker and doctor. All of these make sense in the context of their Batman wiki articles. Joker often tries to kill Harley Quinn. It is the weirdest love/hate relationship in the comics, so it makes sense that Joker could be a lyncher and HQ could be his vanilla town target. Also, look at the setup: 13 man? 12 man is perfect for 9 town v 3 scum. There is no SK, but lyncher would make a nice 13th man. Looking at who would be the lyncher, Gheb or Kirbyoshi, over the course of the game it is obviously Gheb. Also, why would Joker be a vanilla townie? This is the good kind of meta.
There is an obvious contradiction between these two players; either one is a lyncher and the other is vanilla town, or one is vanilla town and the other is scum. But, by lynching the “scum” one first and being wrong, we let the lyncher win. And the lyncher looks way more scummy right now than the “scum” one who is probably a vanilla townie.
We should lynch Gheb.
Gheb put Kirbyoshi at L-2 and said it was L-1. You called him out on it, and he said it wasn’t a mistake. That seems telling. I’m not trying to rush the day by flipping the vote from Kirbyoshi onto Gheb. Kirbyoshi’s claim makes much more sense than Gheb’s claim; Gheb has played a very nice lyncher strategy that I’m sure you’ve also used on aimafia – go after one player (Omni), and then “settle” for a different player who is actually your target (Kirbyoshi).
Gheb’s statement that we “lose two nights” against the mafia is crap because suddenly he now thinks that Kirbyoshi is independent? I’m pretty sure from his point of view Kirbyoshi would be mafia, not independent. He is only saying we would lose two nights because he has been shown to be independent, and it is a one or the other situation with him and Kirbyoshi, so he has decided that Kirbyoshi should be “independent” too. But if Kirby is lying, he wouldn’t be indy, he would be scum. But since Gheb is indy, he failed to see that.
Omni, you chastised us for going off of meta, but you need to see that there is a good time to do it and there is a bad time to do it. People often blame you for “relying on meta” too much, but that’s not what this is. Hush flipped doctor and vigilante. Catwoman flipped investigative. Poison Ivy flipped roleblocker and doctor. All of these make sense in the context of their Batman wiki articles. Joker often tries to kill Harley Quinn. It is the weirdest love/hate relationship in the comics, so it makes sense that Joker could be a lyncher and HQ could be his vanilla town target. Also, look at the setup: 13 man? 12 man is perfect for 9 town v 3 scum. There is no SK, but lyncher would make a nice 13th man. Looking at who would be the lyncher, Gheb or Kirbyoshi, over the course of the game it is obviously Gheb. Also, why would Joker be a vanilla townie? This is the good kind of meta.
There is an obvious contradiction between these two players; either one is a lyncher and the other is vanilla town, or one is vanilla town and the other is scum. But, by lynching the “scum” one first and being wrong, we let the lyncher win. And the lyncher looks way more scummy right now than the “scum” one who is probably a vanilla townie.
We should lynch Gheb.
EBWOP:
Gheb put Kirbyoshi at L-1 and said it was L-2.* thats what i meant to say
Gheb put Kirbyoshi at L-1 and said it was L-2.* thats what i meant to say
it became suspicious when Kirbyoshi (the person you want dead) claimed HQ with the knowledge that the joker is not town aligned, and you claimed joker saying you are a town vanilla.
I really don't care if indy wins.
In your scenario, the safest route for town is to lynch Kirbyoshi. If Gheb is lyncher, Gheb wins and exits the game. If Kirbyoshi is scum then Gheb is clear. Lynching Kirbyoshi will always cost us only a single day.
The main focus is to not have scum have two free night kills. Hell, I hope Gheb is lyncher because as I said earlier I don't want him in lylo.
In your scenario, the safest route for town is to lynch Kirbyoshi. If Gheb is lyncher, Gheb wins and exits the game. If Kirbyoshi is scum then Gheb is clear. Lynching Kirbyoshi will always cost us only a single day.
The main focus is to not have scum have two free night kills. Hell, I hope Gheb is lyncher because as I said earlier I don't want him in lylo.
Back. Gonna start my read at Day 2 after I check some things.
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