Basic Mafia

[Xatres]

Voting Adum is absolutely not the right call. And really, if marshy is committed to voting Adum -> Spak, then switching it to spak -> Adum should make no difference.

In fact, Vinyl: If you vote spak, Adum will also vote spak. He's only offering himself up because he thinks he can't get the votes otherwise.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Xatres is in fact correct, I was offering myself as leverage to end Ro.

But Marshy never accepted the deal.



Also I'm really really disappointed in everyone whose not scum in this game.

Isn't anyone remotely curious why I changed my view on marshy?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Dude, just vote for spak and let's get this over with.

i dont trust that you/vinyl bring it home should i die tonight

will you lynch him if spak flips town? vinyl how bout you?

 

[Vinylic.]

It's been pretty focused on lynching either, so I didn't think your suspicion on marshy was that important to me. Thinking some more, I still feel more comfortable with this option.

Vote: Spak

If spak flips town, I'll know who I'm voting immediately after the next day.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i skimmed through the game again adum. vinyl/xat being innocent and final scum being between you/spak is my final answer. i did take up your offer last night

 

[#HBC | marshy]

is that hammer?

spak were you scum?

 

[Vinylic.]

He's L-1. Hammer belongs to either adumb or you.

 

[Vinylic.]

After the hammer, if you suspect that you're gonna get killed, I'd appreciate some last thoughts. This applies to xat and adumb as well.

My thoughts are now theories on what will happen the next day.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Hold your damn horses folks.

And stop being lazy, all of you, I just called you all out on not asking questions about obvious things. I'll talk more when I have time from work.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Freeze those damn votes for nwo

 

[Xatres]

I honestly hadn't noticed. Perhaps I had my blinders on - or at the time I thought it didn't warrant commenting. I'll take a look back.

 

[adumbrodeus]

KK but need you clear headed, you've been great at going after Ro but you've been kinda blind to everything else going on.

Others have been plain lazy.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Vinylic. That means you.

 

[Xatres]

Yup, blind. That giant page of notes from Day 2 had nothing to do with anything. /s

 

[Xatres]

Okay, I just reread all of Day 3 and I'm not seeing any variation in your read on Marshy. Did you have a different read Day 2? I can see how I could have missed that having been on vacation.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Making me feel like an ass here, but I meant more recently. I mean you were on vacation and 99.9% focused on a Ro lynch so not trying to throw shade.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Okay, I just reread all of Day 3 and I'm not seeing any variation in your read on Marshy. Did you have a different read Day 2? I can see how I could have missed that having been on vacation.

I was pretty convinced of marshy town as of the Rajam flip til toDay.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Xatres This post for example:

Sorry, I fell asleep.

Don't know how long til Maven appears but townreads in order J>Marshy>Xatres. All are mechanical based on Ran's actions or what they did in reaction to Ran's actions. Marshy's is solely based on Ran's overt quicklynch attempt.

Lynchpool for next gameday needs to be ro/vinyl.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Nobody's asking me for clarification about this change, not even the person actively trying to lynch me (the Ro slot).

Gah this game frustrates me.

 

[Spak]

Nobody's asking me for clarification about this change, not even the person actively trying to lynch me (the Ro slot).

Gah this game frustrates me.

Who says I'm actively trying to lynch you? I'm trying to make a case against someone else right now lol.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

adum

why do you care what everyones doing?

youve called for ro to die forever now. ive agreed to your offer. your town reads seem to be set in stone. spak replaced in and laid down his thoughts with details

whats the hold up? what do you seek?

 

[Spak]

Sorry guys, I was at work from 6 to 11:30. Reading up on stuff now.

After the hammer, if you suspect that you're gonna get killed, I'd appreciate some last thoughts. This applies to xat and adumb as well.

My thoughts are now theories on what will happen the next day.

All of my thoughts on the game up to the point in which I joined are in the long spoiler'd post. Aside from thoughts on players, that is. I guess I should elaborate on the player-specific things:

Spak - Confirmed Townie (from my PoV at least).

Vinyl - Strong town lean. I don't think that town tell could be faked. I was debating if he was questioning people without any genuine intention behind it (because of the completely dropped question on Ro early on) or if he was just lost, and I think it was the latter.

Marshy - Nothing that Marshy has done has really stuck out as possibly scummy to me. He's done a good job conversing with the rest of the cast, he's scumhunted quite a bit, and he's just been an overall townie player. Out of the remaining three slots that could be suspicious to me, I'd say I'd be most surprised if Marshy was scum.

Adum - I'm starting to like Adum more as time goes by. He started out with a bit of a short fuse when it came to Kary and did a sketch replace out, then was fairly inactive as the day progressed. D2 he said that his playstyle didn't work and he's sorry that his play was so suppressed this game. D3 so far he's doing more promising work, and while he could hammer to please Xatres, he's trying to stay and figure it out. I appreciate that a lot and like that he is calling everyone out for doing absolutely nothing (and I think some of us need a good yelling at lol), so despite inactivity and questionable early play, he's only a slight scum lean.

Xatres - Xatres is my stronger scum lean. The three reasons he gave for his scumteam (that were actually two reasons) in his #442 were him halting the Adum wagon and that he placed himself in the lynchpool, which scum would of course never do because that raises the likelihood of scum getting lynched. I agree that the whole thing about the Adum wagon was sketch (unless you play scum as close to town as possible, which I've seen people screw over scummates in the interest of not introducing anything off into their play), but your whole reasoning behind putting yourself in the lynchpool being a valid reason why you're not scum is invalid. You putting yourself in the lynchpool doesn't make you significantly more likely to be lynched because nobody was interested in lynching you at all D1. I'd usually let stuff like this go, except you harped on it afterwards (“Xatres had even offered himself up as a sacrificial lamb for town's benefit," #446). I was also shocked at how quickly he wanted to end my slot after the replace in. He was questioning Ro, and then tried to get me killed off of the momentum from the replace. A player that typically plays this logically suddenly ignoring the advantages of my slot leaving a paper trail makes absolutely no sense aside from him wanted to get me out before I could look over the game and possibly provide more information. He'll inevitably say "Wow, OMGUS to the max, let's kill him," but I'm a little concerned how much a slot that has been tunneling a townie all game long with few other contributions has had a blind eye turned to him all game long because of his logical arguments (which are still fairly easy to make as scum). I understand if you guys want to kill me because of my slot's actions and I apologize to Xatres if he's actually town for having possibly one of the worst tunnels in DGames history, but if I die today, I'd appreciate it if you'd give this slot a second look during the night. I'll vote Adum if it comes down to just me and him to preserve a confirmed slot (from my PoV), but I'd really prefer to avoid it.

Vote: Xatres

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Lastly, I just want to point this out from my readthrough:

· “Not lynching: Ro/Adumb/Vinyl” J, #496

o What reasoning would scum!Ro have to kill J? J was one of the few people who trusted Ro’s play. Killing J if Ro were scum would lose the scumteam a town collaborator, which is EXTREMELY valuable from my experience in past games. Best case out of Ro killing J would be a WIFOM, which reads null for giving up a hypothetically valuable scum asset.

J seemed to be the only one that didn't want my slot dead yesterday aside from myself. When I'm one day away from LyLo and completely alone, why in the world would scum!Ro off the only slot that looks on her favorably? The only reason that he would do that is if he wanted to make this argument, which pales in comparison to having someone on your side when the rest of the game is breathing down your throat with 5 left. If I were scum and could have gotten J to LyLo with anyone he was suspicious of, that coulda been game.

 

[Spak]

(And the intro message was from last night; I work nights, not days lol. Sorry for the unclear information.)

 

[Xatres]

Xatres This post for example:

I guess I just assumed that because of your sudden confidence in vinyl's innocence, marsh became your #2 scumread by default.

 

[Xatres]

Who says I'm actively trying to lynch you? I'm trying to make a case against someone else right now lol.

I mean, you did list him at the same level as me on your reads list. If you can't get leverage for my lynch, do you really think you wouldn't jump on the Adum wagon?

 

[Xatres]

“Not lynching: Ro/Adumb/Vinyl” J, #496

o What reasoning would scum!Ro have to kill J? J was one of the few people who trusted Ro’s play. Killing J if Ro were scum would lose the scumteam a town collaborator, which is EXTREMELY valuable from my experience in past games. Best case out of Ro killing J would be a WIFOM, which reads null for giving up a hypothetically valuable scum asset.

J seemed to be the only one that didn't want my slot dead yesterday aside from myself. When I'm one day away from LyLo and completely alone, why in the world would scum!Ro off the only slot that looks on her favorably? The only reason that he would do that is if he wanted to make this argument, which pales in comparison to having someone on your side when the rest of the game is breathing down your throat with 5 left. If I were scum and could have gotten J to LyLo with anyone he was suspicious of, that coulda been game.

I've answered this already in the thread, but let me break it down in detail. Of scum!Ro's lynch choices, we have:

Xatres - who wanted Ro lynched. Killing him would incriminate her immediately. Not a good option

Adum - who also wanted Ro lynched. Same result as Xat.

Vinyl - who had been largely null all game.

Marshy - who seemed more open to lunching non-Ro candidates

J - who most everyone thought was town and had Xat on his scum list

Between marshy, vinyl, and J, J was pretty obviously the best option. You remove the candidate least likely to be lynched, while also incriminating Xatres. That's a pretty by the numbers night kill.

 

[Xatres]

There's a lot packed into your case on me which I can respond to, but my wife wants to go to bed, so.... I will answer the rest tomorrow.

In the meantime:

Marshy - seeing how close Adum is to being lynched based on the deal he offered, and seeing how Ran made his out of the blue run against him D1, why are you at all willing to lynch Adum toDay?

I honestly don't see any reason to go along with his plan.

Question for everyone: Which town flips do you think would garner the most information for town, assuming we mislynch toDay? Include an assessment of what town stands to gain through your own mislynch.

Gotta bounce. I'll answer my own question and respond to Spak more tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

you are putting great stock into rans d1 interactions

im not. ive been scum with ran once a long time ago and dont remember how he interacted with us. he died this game while barely interacting with the rest of the game. too much weight has been put into what ran has said about who at what time this game. i dont know what the hell he would do as scum and i put little stock in his interactions with the living players

adums plan is wonderful from my pov. atm i think vinyl is innocent. i admit ive doubted you at several times throughout the game but the way you came in yesterday with a magnifying glass into each players interactions with ran struck me as likelier to come from an innocent than scum

ive had a nagging feeling towards adum for a while and he is who is left by pov along with spak. that said i have mindmelded with ro a couple of times in the game (voting ran around the same time i did d1 as well as pushing j d2) so im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. adum has done zero things outside of his scumrange. also if im right about you/vinyl then i dont trust you guys to lynch him in lylo tomorrow should i die tonight and spak doesnt end the gam if adum is town then ill honor the deal and kill spak

basically im putting the game on you/vinyl being innocent and ensuring my lynchpool dies. thats likelier to happen through an adum lynch today

 

[Spak]

Xatres - who wanted Ro lynched. Killing him would incriminate her immediately. Not a good option

Adum - who also wanted Ro lynched. Same result as Xat.

Vinyl - who had been largely null all game.

Marshy - who seemed more open to lunching non-Ro candidates

J - who most everyone thought was town and had Xat on his scum list

Between marshy, vinyl, and J, J was pretty obviously the best option. You remove the candidate least likely to be lynched, while also incriminating Xatres. That's a pretty by the numbers night kill.

Another option is scum!Xatres offing J and then saying that someone else did it to incriminate you. Either option is WIFOM and leaving us with a null interaction and no J. It seems like a pretty dumb move for scum!Ro to make because it leaves my slot null, doesn't really incriminate you at all, and gives me one less supporter when scum!Ro could've just said she was framed, but maybe I'm the only one to see it that way.

I mean, you did list him at the same level as me on your reads list. If you can't get leverage for my lynch, do you really think you wouldn't jump on the Adum wagon?

I'll vote Adum if it comes down to just me and him to preserve a confirmed slot (from my PoV), but I'd really prefer to avoid it.

And you guys were on the same level on my list because I couldn't figure out if I wanted to have you as a scum lean or a scum read. Ordering does matter on my lists, though, so I usually try to list the person that is most suspicious at the bottom and most suspicious at the top (unless I'm doing the list in the order from the OP, in which case I just color my reads randomly).

 

[adumbrodeus]

adum has done zero things outside of his scumrange.

It's a great excuse, my townplay has very few deviations from my scumplay, it does of course allow you to justify anything on anything but it's a great excuse.

Except you forgot one thing, there is a very obvious deviation from what I'd be doing if I were scum, with a guaranteed no protective role game....

If I were scum, you'd be dead.

Yes, I have the receipts

For example, my 45 in this ISO for penguin mafia

Oh and then we have my stated opinion of marshy in the dead thread.

Pic to emphasize:

So let's recap, I view him as one of the strongest players in the game who almost definitely carry it if he survives and as scum I left him alive... Why?

I referenced it in this game as well:

*rubs chin thoughtfully* why Kary? Marshy feels like a town bro so I'd have expected them to go after him tonight and kary was being her usual frustrating and null self.

I need to check her interactions.

Follow that up with this post which is interesting because he recognized that I could be putting a lot of weight into his nightkill:

swag

bbl at eod (end of day) for livemafia

forreal tho people off wagon are adum + vinyl. if its not one of them then scum bussed. i havent gotten a chance to look back through

adum you were the only one claiming kary as town (and j i think) but i felt like most of the thread was leaning town on him or at very least unlikely play. idk why it surprises you barring a lot of weight into me being the nk

Just also was similar incredulous:

I'm very confused, because the person I had the most questions for was Kary. I have to say I agree with Adumb that the NK on him does not really make much sense.

Honestly, the only person I like at the current light of things would be Ro Laren. I need to figure out the rest of the cast, but I haven't re-read anything too in-depth besides a cursory glance at some posts I wanted to look at.

And even if you could argue that n1 I wanted kary out of the way because she was stopping me from playing, based on my view of marshy, how could you possibly argue I'd kill J n2, who not only is nowhere near as strong as marshy but had me as her second strongest townread:

My head pulsated a bit too much reading that full exchange.



Pretty confident, I would mark him as my #2 town-read. I also feel like Ro and Adumb is TvT at this light and it's becoming more evident with the circles they are talking themselves into.

There's another element to this however. We know how much I respect marshy's ability, but it's not just me not killing him that's odd, everyone in this game knows his strength either by playing with him or by reputation... Except one person, Ro Laren.

 

[adumbrodeus]

So it should be pretty clear I was both ready and able to defend myself, so why didn't I do it toDay?

Well because my deal going through seemed like the only way I was gonna kill any of my scum targets. That required people bring willing to lynch me.

So my perspective was:

But now I do, Xatres got them while I was waiting for marshy to accept (which I did miss) and whip the votes.

Which means I can actually take a shot at clearing out marshy.

So why marshy?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Let's talk about what irked me about marshy.

As I previously quoted, last game day I was extremely confident in him being townie from the flip as I noted numerous times and just recently quoted. Why the change?

The thing is marshy is an extremely analytical and conscientious player.

We can see it illustrated in how, for example he continues not just participating in the dead thread, but is regularly pming the mod:

Yet, there are a lot of mistakes here, and many of them aren't small, they're big misrepresentations of big game events

For example here:

swag

bbl at eod (end of day) for livemafia

forreal tho people off wagon are adum + vinyl. if its not one of them then scum bussed. i havent gotten a chance to look back through

adum you were the only one claiming kary as town (and j i think) but i felt like most of the thread was leaning town on him or at very least unlikely play. idk why it surprises you barring a lot of weight into me being the nk

Yet in a direct response to him I said this:

Honestly, I wish I could say this gives me useful information but Kary wasn't my target, just one of the people I was asking for votes. Last game Kary was purposefully unhelpful and distracting to the point I didn't shoot her til endgame because I thought she was BP otherscum til the last day so it fits her town play to cockblock me here (albeit not BM), even if she wasn't on anything she saw til her last post.

So I'm reading it as null and mainly infuriating.

And never updated that while kary was alive.

Or this:

wait a minute

did adum say j is town? if he did where was this?

i remember when i was gonna read this game then went to go see wonder woman with the homie instead lmao

Yes he did say that he didn't bother rereading the game but given the number of times he's done this and how conscientious he was being about penguin mafia as a dead slot at the time, reads like an excuse.

Thanks to Ro for the conveniently placed quotations:

You're missing a big issue with a j/ran scum team, you certainly tried to smother but it was J's switch that actually smothered my wagon and turned the momentum to ran.

This is made even more telling by J's refusal to take credit, instead crediting Ro with the lynch for making the case and pushing earlier, making a bus REALLY unlikely.

Ok, Ran/Ro interaction looks really weird and distancey on retrospect. Well looked weird before, but with a scumflip from ran I'm getting a distancing vibe.

Random marshy jump on by ran right after Kary, makes me decently confident of marshy town.

J and xatres interaction with my wagon makes pretty confident in them being townie.

Or this one:

my thoughts atm are like

xatres i was worried about d1 but his big post this dayphase looked good in the sense that i doubt hed pull that **** as scum. im okay with him living past today

vinyl....ugh. i had him as a townlean d1 cuz he just looked like someone who wasnt sure of how to interact with slots. he looked lost in a "im trying to figure out how to play the game" kind of way thats more likely innocent than scum. usually noobscum just throw ****ty scumreads out and hes seemed cautious in a "im playing this at my own pace" way. ima laugh if hes the final scum but i wouldnt lynch him today

ro i had as probably town for his tone. he has also been the only one consistently to give a **** about this game so i laud him for that

that leaves ruy/j/adum

ruy and ran both hopped my wagon d1. ive been wrestling with that cuz its like would a 2 man scumteam really be THAT close to each other in terms of votes? it seems to me an awful strategy but i havent really been townreading ruy outside of that

j looked good to me d1 when he threw out the vinyl read. i think i talked about this before. he says hes a passive player which he is but i expected him to make a bigger post by now. he usually does one of his longass posts summarizing every slots actions and explaining why he reached the conclusion he did

and then theres adum. the only thing going for him that i remember is pushing a ro lynch today. i dont think ro is scum. i SEE the logic behind the ro push but with a gun to my head id guess ro is innocent. when adum is scum he usually just makes sure to pad his pushes with logic to come away scot free should he be wrong. yeah you know what ima vote adum

j tell me why youre voting adum. youve given a lynch pool im wondering if youll expand?

adum tell me why j doesnt bus the **** out of ran d1. i would have. talk to me about ruy plz

theres a lot of analysis floating around ran and his interactions but im not putting much stock in that in general. i just lost a game where ****ty analysis of scum interactions played a huge role and if i was scum i would have bussed ran and expect most players here to have done the same. hell the guy who died was OFF the wagon

vote adum

I chided him on this here:

Marshy, I expected better of you.

Are you honestly saying that given the way Ran played around me last gameday that there's a chance in hell I'm scum? Hell that Ran would've tried a hard bus like that in the first place for me?

As for J, J would've taken the free lynch on me and then bused ran. There was literally 0 reason for a scum player to break the momentum on that wagon.

Come on, you're better then this and "always pads his lynches with logic" is outright paranoia, you just chided me on that in the mafiascum game. Do you think I'm faking the push? If so what makes you think that?

Follow with this one where he expressed ignorance at the fact that I was gonna die if J didn't switch:

i havent reread but

were you ever actually in jeopardy of being lynched yesterday? your rebuke seems to revolve around that. i dont remember that being the case. the only pushes with any meat to them that i recall yesterday were ro me then ran

Something the now flipped town Just confirms:

I guess I'll just flesh out my reads a bit that way there is more from me and also to help my own mind out.

I'll start where my vote is at because that's the first thing. Xatres vs. Ro initially looked pretty TvT to me. The thing that tipped the scale is that was 100% of his content even coming into the start of the day. Xatres has been tunneling that slot almost relentlessly since his entrance into the game and I am not the biggest fan of that. However, I would like to stress that I did like him offering more insight to his reads and everything regarding the cast. His conclusions are looking incorrect from my eyes because they have one of my strongest town reads and myself as scum and I just do not agree with that logic. I'm not entirely sure on Xat being scum, but he was someone that I wanted to press today to get more information out of because also when looking back at the votes, his onto Ranmaru seemed the most likely to be a bus/not really true.

Ro Laren is someone that I actually find myself trusting out of the rest of the cast. Her case on Ranmaru was the thing that made me realize the inconsistencies in his play and also her push on him came naturally. It was organic. That is a big tell for me to look at her as more of a town read that actually found something they found scummy and pushed it. When looking at her play, there has not been much of anything that really makes me look at her as scum. To bolster that fact, I find the cases against her weak and also forced in some manners. It feels more like people are "wanting" her to be scum rather her actually "being" scum. If she turns out to be scum at the end of the game, I will say that I was fooled and I am okay with that because she has been playing a good game. It's a shame she reads me as a possible scum-read, but I understand her train of thought as to why.

Adumb is something of a second most likely to be scum-read. He is correct on the article stating that I was the sole decider of whether he lived or died yesterDay when looking back at the posts. My vote came at a time that seemed to sway the rest of the cast into the Ranmaru direction. The reason I decided to vote Ran over Dumb is that I also feel that his reactions to being lynched were genuine and something that read to me more as a town that got caught in an inactivity spurt. I would also like to point out that I do see Adumb trying to scum-hunt in his own fashion, though nothing has really bared fruitful yet from him. (To be honest, no one besides Ro Laren has actually nailed a scummy nor shown anything to indicated a reason to call someone scum for valid reasons yet so we are all in that boat)

Vinyl to me seems like the lost puppy of this town rather than slacker scum. He seems to be trying to go at the game at his own pace and as someone who is very much like that I understand what he is trying to do. An area that I would like to highlight again would be the situation where Red Ryu tried to push Vinyl into doing something he did not like and that he bucked back with a marvelous response stating that he was going to do things that he, himself, felt more comfortable with. This looked more like a Vinyl-independent-sole-minded Town rather than team-think-oriented scum approach. He seems to be actively trying when he is in the thread, but he has so little content it is harder for me to discuss him as a harder town read. I don't get RR's/Adumb's distaste for the slot and find myself nodding more along with Marshy.

Marshy is a hard one this game. Maybe it has just been a long time since I played with him, but he seems much more apathetic than the rest of the cast when he is in the game. I came into the game with placing my RVS vote onto him and then hopefully him dropping something that makes me believe he is town for the Day-Phase or at least comfortable with him, but as I said yesterDay, I was never given a reason to not be voting him until I voted for Ranmaru at the end of the Day Phase. His reaction to votes being on him and his notion that his "wagon" was anything more than an air-push to get him to post seems a bit hypocritical since it was the same thing he called me out on but then did it himself no more than a couple pages later. ToDay he has been playing much better when he finally posts, but it seems like pulling teeth with him to be able to do more substantial things. I don't mind the hemming and hawwing on certain issues; I am just not used to it from a player like Marshy. Kind of a null currently, I could see the rationale behind both scum and town for him. We have similar reads, but I am kind of in tune with him on our thought styles so it does come natural that I agree with his reads for the better part.

Red Ryu is definitely someone I would like to touch base upon because I feel like his posts have been more baseless when looking back at the game and thinking about the end-goal of his questions. It seems Red Ryu comes into the thread and asks a bunch of questions and says certain slots can die, yet I do not see much follow up after said questions. He just seems to be asking questions to garner some sort of thread life and also some presence for himself. When thinking back at Ryu's play, nothing sticks out besides things I do not like. The main thing I would say that I remember from his play is him popping into the thread to constantly change his "who can die" pile and the conversation with Vinyl that, if anything, gave Vinyl more town points.

After re-looking at some posts and also looking at the flow of the game, I think I would say that Red Ryu is my more likely candidate that I am okay with lynching toDay and willing to give Xat more of a benefit of the doubt that he is just not having correct reads this game and also tunneling a bit too hard.

Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

I will not be voting Ro, I will not be voting Adumb, and I will nott vote Vinyl. This is where my vote is staying till deadline.

Then there's today:

is it that scummy?

without looking back id guess youd put vinyl in the lynch pool as a bluff and youre now assuming ro is playing dumb to shade you through surface analysis. but this would be his first forum game so i dunno if he picks up on it

I already illustrated how silly this is in my 588. With quotes.

This is like the 4th time I chided him for idiotic things this game

Add to this the issue of his constant decrying of bad analysis of ran's flipped play with no attempt to make good analysis.

theres a lot of analysis floating around ran and his interactions but im not putting much stock in that in general. i just lost a game where ****ty analysis of scum interactions played a huge role and if i was scum i would have bussed ran and expect most players here to have done the same. hell the guy who died was OFF the wagon

This is completely uncharacteristically sloppy play from marshy, and it serves to advantage widening his lynchpool.

The ironic thing is I would've followed him to the gates of hell itself last game day, but he squandered it by continuously playing in such an uncharacteristic way, if he'd been conscientious scum who staged the ran quick lynch attempt I'd still be following him.


Scum out of marshy and Spak.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

LOL!

this guy comes into the dayphase with a gambit on lynching him then going ro/spak only to flip once i take up his offer

adum

plz b scum bro. i havent read your whole post but youre actually using nk wifom. this is ridiculous

 

[#HBC | marshy]

dude

i KNEW adum was going to flip and weasel his way out the gambit at one point or another

 

[adumbrodeus]

Come on dude, the person I proposed a Gambit to kill has more votes then I do.

I didn't even whip the votes, it was Xatres.

I didn't even defend myself until kill spak without my death could be a sure thing.

Meanwhile you were trying to get me to selfhammer after Ro had replaced out but before you had whipped the votes for next dayphase.

 

[adumbrodeus]

So lemme ask you this, if I can kill the person I was trying to suicide bomb to kill without doing that, why would I suicide bomb to kill them?

It makes absolutely no sense from a protein perspective.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I mean it's still on the table if that's what it takes to kill one of you and xat, but that requires it to be the only option.

 

[adumbrodeus]

And it's not wiform to say I would've nightkilled you as scum in this game. No hesitation.

Dead thread for last game I said if you were alive you'd carry the game. But so would pretty much everyone whose played with you.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I mean it's still on the table if that's what it takes to kill one of you and xat, but that requires it to be the only option.

You and Spak, clearly going senile.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Come on dude, the person I proposed a Gambit to kill has more votes then I do.

I didn't even whip the votes, it was Xatres.

I didn't even defend myself until kill spak without my death could be a sure thing.

Meanwhile you were trying to get me to selfhammer after Ro had replaced out but before you had whipped the votes for next dayphase.

what is your point? if youre scum like i think you are you need to lay the groundwork down for a mislynch tomorrow. youve gone on record stating xat is town (and its hard for you to flip on him considering you guys have been in sync all game) and going so far as to say that vinyls late posting yesterday was a "town tell". ive had enough of the chiding when this play makes sense from you as scum