Basic Mafia

[adumbrodeus]

I'm saying that if you think my reasong for voting Xatres D1 was theorycraft and that it was bad, then yes I would use it to acheive a good end, because that's what I did. Sorry if I'm still not getting you.

Doesn't, hopefully this elucidates it.

Let's say you firmly believed that voting for people outside of the game was useful for catching scum, but for some other reason you firmly believes Xatres was scum.

Would you use the argument that it's not valid scumhunting in an attempt to convince people to vote for him?

 

[Ro Laren]

Doesn't, hopefully this elucidates it.

Let's say you firmly believed that voting for people outside of the game was useful for catching scum, but for some other reason you firmly believes Xatres was scum.

Would you use the argument that it's not valid scumhunting in an attempt to convince people to vote for him?

Only if I had a guilty on him from an investigative role. Otherwise no, I dislike playing with players that take everything into their own hands.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

vote red ryu

#HBC | Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | marshy]

ah ro

youve made the terrible mistake of playing into adums arguments

j how confident are you in adum town?

 

[#HBC | marshy]

https://smashboards.com/threads/bingo-mafia-the-end.364853 example


Still kicking myself for not unvoting on rake.

nah dude. rake was playing like scum and i wasnt having it. im so tired of ppl playing like scum when town im pretty sure ppl do it on purpose to muddy their metas

me and gheb were absolute bosses that game

how did doc not protect me tho? smh

 

[adumbrodeus]

Only if I had a guilty on him from an investigative role. Otherwise no, I dislike playing with players that take everything into their own hands.

K, then this post is scummy as hell. I don't believe you don't know it.

 

[Ro Laren]

Did you mean to quote #506?

 

[adumbrodeus]

ah ro

youve made the terrible mistake of playing into adums arguments

j how confident are you in adum town?

Oh come the f*** on marshy, you know I'm systematic and prone to building cases on question. You also know I'm wordy and have major Cassandra tendancies (eg. bingo mafia, THE GAME I JUST LINKED with chaco).

Could you get your head in the game? Thanks.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Did you mean to quote #506?

It was a direct link to 506.

 

[Ro Laren]

Dude, you're really goina have to walk me through this.

 

[adumbrodeus]

We just established you don't like using mafia theory you don't believe in to achieve a good goal, only exception is investigative confirmed scum.

You asked if I seriously believe scum would actively detract from a townie's lynch towards a lynch of their mate, something scum do ALL THE TIME, to defend yourself.

You admitted I was right that scum do it.

You're a self-described 10 year mafia vet of no small skill based on your play so far and you were somehow ignorant of this?

Ya no, lies.

 

[adumbrodeus]

nah dude. rake was playing like scum and i wasnt having it. im so tired of ppl playing like scum when town im pretty sure ppl do it on purpose to muddy their metas

me and gheb were absolute bosses that game

how did doc not protect me tho? smh

I knew chaco was trying to get credit using rake's lynch, I just didn't have the balls to make the switch quick enough. Be that as it may, I have no excuse.

 

[Ro Laren]

The issue with how you've gone about reading me this game is that you never ask me why I do something. You make an assumption about my intention and build a logical argument from that (incorrect) assumption. My goal wasn't to convince you that I'm town. My goal was to see how you handled your argument (that I'm scum) if you were given counter evidence. I did the same thing with Ranmaru.

 

[Ro Laren]

Your point doesn't hold up anyway. You asked me if I'd mislead players in order to lynch someone. Would I knowingly use bad theorycraft to convince players of my alignment? It would depend on the risk to our mutual trust I would be taking.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Counter evidence which you subsequently admitted wasn't a direct analog and then admitted wasn't even something scum wouldn't do, are you seriously arguing that it was a good reactive test?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Your point doesn't hold up anyway. You asked me if I'd mislead players in order to lynch someone. Would I knowingly use bad theorycraft to convince players of my alignment? It would depend on the risk to our mutual trust I would be taking.

gah, you're actually right there it was supposed to be an example to illustrate what I meant so there was no confusion on what I meant but I see how by not clarifying properly you could've been confused.

 

[Ro Laren]

Good night, Adumbrodeus.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Either way, reread RR and literally not sticking out one way or another. Fine with lynching him or Vinyl.

Obviously Ro Laren too but that's assumed.

 

[#HBC | J]

My head pulsated a bit too much reading that full exchange.

ah ro

youve made the terrible mistake of playing into adums arguments

j how confident are you in adum town?

Pretty confident, I would mark him as my #2 town-read. I also feel like Ro and Adumb is TvT at this light and it's becoming more evident with the circles they are talking themselves into.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also deadline is in less than 12 hours

Vinylic. #HBC | Red Ryu Xatres #HBC | marshy adumbrodeus Ro Laren

Can we have final posts and thoughts the next time you come into the thread that way we are not scrambling at deadline? I'd like people to state who their scum-reads are and also if their vote isn't on someone show intent if you plan to vote Ryu or show another option that is plausible for EoD.

 

[Vinylic.]

I'm fine with either me or ryu. If it ends in a ML there's another chance to find scum next day.


You know, I do wonder if Ryu's vote was either a reaction to Kary getting killed N1 or just made to pressure me so he can take me off his list of suspicion. I like how he still hasn't spoken to me more directly. I'm more interested in his thoughts than anyone else rn. I don't think I'll be voting today again for this matter, unless I'm actually needed to vote.

Anywho, I'm gonna respond to the following questions in a bit.

 

[Vinylic.]

Oh wait he actually asked me a question. Whoops.

What exactly makes you say me or J is scum here?

I felt that you've been playing aggressive from the moment I saw your first post. You haven't gave me a more clear reason when answering my questions. You'd rather want marshy to vote with you than you to vote with him, because I guess you want a better feel in your reads? What's with your pressuring game? What were you looking for in voting marshy? I might be missing something here.

Can you express why you lean town for Marshy?

Ran's sudden vote on marshy was something. It lacked reason to me. I thought he hasn't done anything funny at that time, and it when it was revealed that ran was scum, I thought that was enough for him to be confirmed town. I have no reason to vote him.

If there's any logical fallacies in here, let me know. I suck at this part the most.

 

[Vinylic.]

The scum lean on J is just a thought. As I've said, what do I have to support this? J has been much of an opportunist, but I think he has made good points, like his recent thoughts on each player.

 

[Vinylic.]

Maven89 requesting votecount and deadline

 

[#HBC | J]

Hopefully Ryu can get in here and respond to a few things or post something before deadline. He hasn't been in the thread since Monday and that's almost 3 full days of no posts/nothing.

 

[Maven89]

I'm at work, no vote count until around 2 hours before deadline (in about another 5 hours)

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm disappointed in y'all.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

**** outta hear j

 

[#HBC | J]

Damn, I just got wrekt'd gif mode.

But then I realized you logged onto your alts to like your own post.

._.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'm not exactly surprised people are being quiet given what's happening today.

Anyway I've been transfixed by Comey testimony and British elections but I'm around to make sure a hammer happens before the deadline.

Largely holding off so RR can get some final thoughts in.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ill also have final thoughts in for the cast before night phase

 

[adumbrodeus]

That was the most marshy moment I've ever seen.

 

[Vinylic.]

There is an hour and 30 left. If no one replies by 11:57, I may have to hammer this myself. :v

 

[Xatres]

Yeah, I probably just should have v/la'd myself for this week. We're back from the beach on Sunday, so I should be able to post more then.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm going into a league game so whatever happens happens when I probably come out of it. I am still sad nothing more came of this Day-Phase, but if the game ends after this lynch I'll be happy. (though easy game, easy life isn't what I was hoping for)

 

[Vinylic.]

Welp.

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[Ro Laren]

I killed Kary in order to frame Adum.

 

[Vinylic.]

Wait is this gg

I thought there was room for a ml

 

[#HBC | J]

Vinyl is adorable.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

was town sorry sleep and work issues