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In my mind, form a cute little club.Is there any series that has a history as crazy as Banjo Kazooie?
we've got project dream, the game that was originally in action-adventure RPG about Pirates
banjos debut in a racing game Donkey Kong, but his little sidekick Diddy
the first two games releasing to generally positive critical Acclaim, banjo being a household name at Nintendo, appearing on N64 boxes with Mario, Donkey Kong, and even Pikachu, Despite that, no Smash Brothers appearance.
you get sequels promised in both games, and tantalizing secrets that are teased but never fully realized like stop and swap, and mysterious secrets that aren't teased but still end up in the game accidentally like bottles Revenge
and then, Microsoft acquires rareware, all we get are a couple of dodgy GBA games, one of which was meant to be a Donkey Kong airplane racer, and then the series just goes dormant. It was like Banjo being a household name at Nintendo never happened.
two generations after the N64, the next banjo game is teased, the art style looked pretty ugly, but it showed promise it came time for the actual reveal, and it was no longer a platform game, but some kind of vehicular building game. And one that was awfully disrespectful to the legacy of The Originals At that.
aside from a guest appearance in a Sonic the Hedgehog Kart Racer, alongside Wreck-It Ralph, Banjo just goes dormant again. people at rare seemed outright determined to keep banjo dead. this forced the people who still had passion for banjo to split off And start a Kickstarter for a successor.
that successor being yooka laylee, And that Kickstarter met its goal within a day. Meanwhile the only signs that banjo is still an IP that existed in this world are a few seconds of a tech demo for Xbox Kinect. And nothing ever comes of it.
we all know how it ends from here, merchandise teases, no new banjo game, And yet banjo appears in Super Smash Bros ultimate.
it's honestly the craziest gaming-related ride I know of. Right from the beginning when you hear about project dream.
the only thing I think comes close to this is Sonic the Hedgehog, but that may only count if you factor in the crazy legal drama surrounding the comic books and other media spin offs.
Tetris. The answer is Tetris.Is there any series that has a history as crazy as Banjo Kazooie?
we've got project dream, the game that was originally in action-adventure RPG about Pirates
banjos debut in a racing game Donkey Kong, but his little sidekick Diddy
the first two games releasing to generally positive critical Acclaim, banjo being a household name at Nintendo, appearing on N64 boxes with Mario, Donkey Kong, and even Pikachu, Despite that, no Smash Brothers appearance.
you get sequels promised in both games, and tantalizing secrets that are teased but never fully realized like stop and swap, and mysterious secrets that aren't teased but still end up in the game accidentally like bottles Revenge
and then, Microsoft acquires rareware, all we get are a couple of dodgy GBA games, one of which was meant to be a Donkey Kong airplane racer, and then the series just goes dormant. It was like Banjo being a household name at Nintendo never happened.
two generations after the N64, the next banjo game is teased, the art style looked pretty ugly, but it showed promise it came time for the actual reveal, and it was no longer a platform game, but some kind of vehicular building game. And one that was awfully disrespectful to the legacy of The Originals At that.
aside from a guest appearance in a Sonic the Hedgehog Kart Racer, alongside Wreck-It Ralph, Banjo just goes dormant again. people at rare seemed outright determined to keep banjo dead. this forced the people who still had passion for banjo to split off And start a Kickstarter for a successor.
that successor being yooka laylee, And that Kickstarter met its goal within a day. Meanwhile the only signs that banjo is still an IP that existed in this world are a few seconds of a tech demo for Xbox Kinect. And nothing ever comes of it.
we all know how it ends from here, merchandise teases, no new banjo game, And yet banjo appears in Super Smash Bros ultimate.
it's honestly the craziest gaming-related ride I know of. Right from the beginning when you hear about project dream.
the only thing I think comes close to this is Sonic the Hedgehog, but that may only count if you factor in the crazy legal drama surrounding the comic books and other media spin offs.
I second this emotion!Just dropping by to say Spyro is not lame.
Yeah its near Federation Square, short walk from Flinders Street Station.I didn't know Melbourne had such a place? I need to pop down and visit one day, I'm sick of living in the gamerless small towns of Australia
Why don't we instead have Conker's nuts & bolts? Better to use him than Banjo & Kazooie.(This is a joke.)
Who wants Nuts & Bolts 2?!
Four years later, here we are...I can't help but wonder if Nintendo will be baffled by two Rare characters leading the polls.
Thank youJust dropping by to say Spyro is not lame.
Well, there is also Mega Man, when you consider everything that happened between the Legends 3 project establishment and Mega Man 11's arrival. And unlike Banjo's situation, the spiritual successor had failed miserably compared to Y-K simply just being a little rough around the edges.Is there any series that has a history as crazy as Banjo Kazooie?
we've got project dream, the game that was originally in action-adventure RPG about Pirates
banjos debut in a racing game Donkey Kong, but his little sidekick Diddy
the first two games releasing to generally positive critical Acclaim, banjo being a household name at Nintendo, appearing on N64 boxes with Mario, Donkey Kong, and even Pikachu, Despite that, no Smash Brothers appearance.
you get sequels promised in both games, and tantalizing secrets that are teased but never fully realized like stop and swap, and mysterious secrets that aren't teased but still end up in the game accidentally like bottles Revenge
and then, Microsoft acquires rareware, all we get are a couple of dodgy GBA games, one of which was meant to be a Donkey Kong airplane racer, and then the series just goes dormant. It was like Banjo being a household name at Nintendo never happened.
two generations after the N64, the next banjo game is teased, the art style looked pretty ugly, but it showed promise it came time for the actual reveal, and it was no longer a platform game, but some kind of vehicular building game. And one that was awfully disrespectful to the legacy of The Originals At that.
aside from a guest appearance in a Sonic the Hedgehog Kart Racer, alongside Wreck-It Ralph, Banjo just goes dormant again. people at rare seemed outright determined to keep banjo dead. this forced the people who still had passion for banjo to split off And start a Kickstarter for a successor.
that successor being yooka laylee, And that Kickstarter met its goal within a day. Meanwhile the only signs that banjo is still an IP that existed in this world are a few seconds of a tech demo for Xbox Kinect. And nothing ever comes of it.
we all know how it ends from here, merchandise teases, no new banjo game, And yet banjo appears in Super Smash Bros ultimate.
it's honestly the craziest gaming-related ride I know of. Right from the beginning when you hear about project dream.
the only thing I think comes close to this is Sonic the Hedgehog, but that may only count if you factor in the crazy legal drama surrounding the comic books and other media spin offs.
Yeah, I can't help but wonder if they'd withhold on having Crash until Spyro has enough support. These two go like wine and bread.Thank you
I would love for Crash and Spyro to both make it in somehow since they were both 90s platforming icons but I realistically know Crash is just much more popular (idk why though but I digress).
Nah, the XBox is for mature and serious adults.Question for Banjo-Kazooie fans; looking at the success of Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled; would you want Microsoft to give a crack at making their own Kart racer?
I know they have Forza but, would it be something you'd want? If you'd want Banjo & Kazooie to have a Kart racer; what characters, items, tracks etc. would you like to see?
I'd like to bring up one in particular:In terms of great 90s mascots, there is a few I can think of that'd be left after Crash and Spyro.
While their chances are doubtful, having Earthworm Jim, Master Higgins and Bonk would bring things full circle to me.
No, wait! In the depths of Rare Replay's unlockables, Rare was ACTUALLY working on a crossover kart racer with their IPs! It was called Fast and the Furriest, and it's apparently where Kazooie's N&B wrench was birthed from.Nah, the XBox is for mature and serious adults.
But seriously though, I doubt they would even do that, even if all they could do is copy Crash Team Racing.
I doubt it. They don’t look at characters as package deals, as “can’t have one without the other.” Especially not when one is much more popular than the other.Yeah, I can't help but wonder if they'd withhold on having Crash until Spyro has enough support. These two go like wine and bread.
I propose a few options for a future installment:On Nuts & Bolts--if they had made it a spin-off, with a proper Threeie in the pipeline, I'd be perfectly okay with it. It would be the Mario Kart equivalent of the Super Mario series.
But they didn't. They made it a sequel, which is the equivalent of making Mario Kart the sequel to Super Mario World. As such, it doesn't matter how good the game is (I was bored within minutes of playing the demo), it's not a proper sequel in my eyes and it's best to ignore it.
The only thing I could see being good is if they made a Threeie with a Smash-like modern take on the character, keeping its N64 roots, then afterwards make a spin off, like Nuts & Bolts, but with a different name and using the new modern design, putting the blocky design to the dust bin of history. Then, I may consider giving it a chance.
There was a great opportunity of continuing the series while expanding it into spin offs--the characters and series would have made a terrific franchise. But they blew it, and I'm not sure how much it can be recovered. His Smash appearance, though, is a great first step.
I'm honestly surprised that they haven't already. Banjo-Pilot showed that there was a decent enough list of characters for a kart racer, but throw in the rest of Rare's line-up and it seems like a no-brainer.Question for Banjo-Kazooie fans; looking at the success of Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled; would you want Microsoft to give a crack at making their own Kart racer?
I know they have Forza but, would it be something you'd want? If you'd want Banjo & Kazooie to have a Kart racer; what characters, items, tracks etc. would you like to see?
About the Mii Swordfighter and Duck Hunt game freezing glitch:
I think the theory that the glitch was caused by Swordfighter and Duck Hunt's data being used for Hero and Banjo & Kazooie died when Hero himself was revealed. If any character was used as a base to create Hero it would have been Link. They both have a sword and shield, both of their shields passively block projectile attacks, and their dash-attacks are nearly identical.
I don't see any compelling evidence that Mii Swordfighter would have been used as a base for Hero instead of Link. I suppose the inevitable datamines will finally give us the answer though.
I mean, Hero's tornado recovery move already looks like it borrows from Mii Swordfighter's Gale strike, so it's certainly possible!It's possible Hero and Banjo borrow some moves/assets from Mii Swordfighter and Duck Hunt. It would be one hell of a coincidence otherwise.
Hero is totally Mii Swirdfighter considering the multitude of moves both characters can choose from being their chief mechanic. I’d argue the reveal of Hero pouts even more to the theory. But only time will tell.About the Mii Swordfighter and Duck Hunt game freezing glitch:
I think the theory that the glitch was caused by Swordfighter and Duck Hunt's data being used for Hero and Banjo & Kazooie died when Hero himself was revealed. If any character was used as a base to create Hero it would have been Link. They both have a sword and shield, both of their shields passively block projectile attacks, and their dash-attacks are nearly identical.
I don't see any compelling evidence that Mii Swordfighter would have been used as a base for Hero instead of Link. I suppose the inevitable datamines will finally give us the answer though.
Yeah, at least with Travis Strikes Again, Grasshopper had the sense to clearly treat that as a NMH spin-off/interquel, with No More Heroes 3 being planned to come not too long afterwards. N&B, it's like, you like it? No? Too bad, the series tanked because you didn't give it enough sales.On Nuts & Bolts--if they had made it a spin-off, with a proper Threeie in the pipeline, I'd be perfectly okay with it. It would be the Mario Kart equivalent of the Super Mario series.
But they didn't. They made it a sequel, which is the equivalent of making Mario Kart the sequel to Super Mario World. As such, it doesn't matter how good the game is (I was bored within minutes of playing the demo), it's not a proper sequel in my eyes and it's best to ignore it.
The only thing I could see being good is if they made a Threeie with a Smash-like modern take on the character, keeping its N64 roots, then afterwards make a spin off, like Nuts & Bolts, but with a different name and using the new modern design, putting the blocky design to the dust bin of history. Then, I may consider giving it a chance.
There was a great opportunity of continuing the series while expanding it into spin offs--the characters and series would have made a terrific franchise. But they blew it, and I'm not sure how much it can be recovered. His Smash appearance, though, is a great first step.
At any rate, Crash could still be passed over for any reason, even if it would make all the sense in the world to include him. It could be for a reason as simple as other series/characters taking priority over him (especially if Intelligent Systems or The Pokémon Company get needy), or running out of time to establish contact with Activision.I doubt it. They don’t look at characters as package deals, as “can’t have one without the other.” Especially not when one is much more popular than the other.
I saw that! And it took me a while, but I eventually figured out that the Jinjonator was doing an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice and I loved that!Anyone seen this? Someone made a dubbed version of the Banjo & Kazooie reveal and I thought it was pretty funny.
Oh yeah, the crashing the game stuff with Swordfighter and Duck Hunt.......I think Hero's base is pretty obviously Link. Same body build, same shield mechanic, similar movements (just look at the dash attack)...
While for Banjo it's not obvious at all. His base could have been Duck Hunt, could have been Mario... or maybe they made him from scratch. Who knows.
I don't think we can really infer too much from things like those, though. That said, let's hope that Diddy starts to crash the game somewhere.
But seeing him next to Mario and the other Nintendo greats allows us to exist in denial as we beat the other Nintendo stars senseless with the duoNow that banjo kazooie is in smash now we have a constant reminder of the biggest tragedy in video game history - Microsoft bought rare
I'd personally be pulling for the next installment to be called Banjo-Threeie. I'd like it if N&B was retconned in the most Banjo-Kazooie way possible, through the witty dialogue. Just have kazooie say something akin to "imagine if we lost our powers and had to drive a car to stop grunty" I can't imagine a better way for the duo to distance themselves from the nightmare that was N&B.I propose a few options for a future installment:
1) Pull a Terminator: Dark Fate and treat N&B like it never happened.
2) Make N&B part of a large future that Gruntilda looked into between Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie and have her manipulate L.O.G. into ruining the franchise.
3) Make a game actually titled Banjo-Threeie with the traditional collectathon formula and give it the side-quest of retconing Nuts and Bolts piece-by-piece until it's completely gone from the Banjo-Kazooie timeline. No L.O.G., no LEGO cars, no trace of Nuts and Bolts in sight.
Hopefully, it'll make Microsoft want to use them more. Maybe we can get a HD Remaster/Remake?Fortnite is dead. Long live the Bear and Bird
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This does put a smile on my face.Fortnite is dead. Long live the Bear and Bird
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