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[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

True true, MVC's worst roster exlcusion (at least on the Capcom side of things) was the absence of any Mega Man incarnation (Tatsunoko Vs Capcom did not have Classic MM, but it had Mega Man Volnutt) thankfully that was fixed in Infinite by adding the long-desired X to go alongside Zero......................and that was probably one of the only good things about Infinit


The idea of Mega Man beign a Shoto Clone hurts my soul. Mega Man has enogh Close Ranged moves to be re-invented as his own character:

and honestly, MVCI hurts my soul. So much MCU pandering, and exclusion of the X-Men is insulting once you realize that the X-Men are part of the reason the MVC franchise exists in the first place (X-Men Children of the Atom was Capcom's first fighting Game featuring Marvel Characters) Not even gonna go into the whole "Functions" meme.

Oh and also Banjo for Smash. I gotta stay on topic about him. Albeit i don't think i have to worry about Sakurai thinking of a moveset for him, at the very least.

To be fair, completely overhauling a character's moveset is a good way to alienate some fans. That's who he is in MvC. Using a different MegaMan is a good way around this factor. I can understand why they didn't want to rehaul him. Doesn't excuse why they brought back other shotoclones too. He got the short end of the stick for no good reason. There's a lot of other franchises that could be without one of the secondary characters. For the record, I'd still keep Akuma in because he's the secret boss of your general MVC game. That's his role. He's basically the series' Master Hand in a way.

But yeah, Smash showed off a ton of his potential~

 

[CosmicQuark]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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I'm leaning on fake until verified. Last I heard, Brave and the section where this stuff would be found was scrubbed. Also, why "TwiRight"?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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Twiright, huh?

I guess I would guess it is for Twilight Town but Twilight is VERY large in the things it could cover. Not much to go on here besides the possibility of Twilight Town.

 

[Vector Victor]

Twiright, huh?

I guess I would guess it is for Twilight Town but Twilight is VERY large in the things it could cover. Not much to go on here besides the possibility of Twilight Town.

Granted, if Sora got in, I would think his stage would be Destiny Islands. However, TT is the hub world for KHIII, so.....

Huh.

 

[Lycan Rex]

"Twilight" huh? Anything linking that to DQ?

 

[Planet Cool]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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Didn't a 4chan "leak" claim that Artorias would be the second Fighter Pass character specifically?

 

[PLATINUM7]

I'm leaning on fake until verified. Last I heard, Brave and the section where this stuff would be found was scrubbed. Also, why "TwiRight"?

It'd be an error in romanising how Twilight is spelt in Japanese.

 

[Deleted member]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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How do we know this is not related to Zelda in some form (you know..........TWILIGHT Princess?)

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No Source other than this magazine screenshot of sonic with frank west.

I dunno why, but that image sotr of looks like those Coro Coro Fake Scans of Pokémon.

 

[CannonStreak]

It'd be an error in romanising how Twilight is spelt in Japanese.

Makes sense. I mean, from what I know, the letter L is not really used in Japanese, is it not?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

"Twilight" huh? Anything linking that to DQ?

Yes, but, like a lot of games have things that are dubbed "Twilight" something so theres not really much to go off of, sadly. That is if it is actually real. I thought they scrubbed the junk section as well this time around.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

True true, MVC's worst roster exlcusion (at least on the Capcom side of things) was the absence of any Mega Man incarnation

AND Venom. How do you forget Venom

 

[PLATINUM7]

Makes sense. I mean, from what I know, the letter L is not really used in Japanese, is it not?

They don't have any L sounds. When approximating words from other languages that have L sounds, they replace them with R sounds.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

AND Venom. How do you forget Venom

We have Spider-Man, the main character. Venom's easily a secondary point to consider, but not as important.

Incidentally my main MvC1 team is MegaMan and Venom. So the cut of both hurt a lot.

 

[BZocky]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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Still a better Smash stage than... oh wait

 

[Deleted member]

AND Venom. How do you forget Venom

.....That's why i said at least on the Capcom Side.

Marvel is a little more tricky due to licensing issues (which are the reason Iron Man wasn't in Marvel Vs Capcom 1 so they had to settle for War Machine) but i agree Venom was inexcusable (which MVCI did fix.....mostly)

 

[ZoroCarlos]

We have Spider-Man, the main character. Venom's easily a secondary point to consider, but not as important.

Incidentally my main MvC1 team is MegaMan and Venom. So the cut of both hurt a lot.

To be fair, Doc Oc was planned to be in MvC3 before Venom was

 

[CannonStreak]

They don't have any L sounds. When approximating words from other languages that have L sounds, they replace them with R sounds.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[Lycan Rex]

Still a better Smash stage than... oh wait

Robert Pattinson is our next fighter. Pack it up boys.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

.....That's why i said at least on the Capcom Side.

Must have missed that, I'm a fast reader lol sorry

 

[Planet Cool]

I'm a little bummed because there's pretty much nothing that connects "Twiright" to Banjo. Then again, there's pretty much nothing that connects "Doyle" to Arsene. (Yeah, yeah, detectives, but that's pretty oblique.)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

To be fair, Doc Oc was planned to be in MvC3 before Venom was

And that's fine too. I mean that we had Spider-Man, the actual main character, there. He's a massive big gun.

I admit it was rather silly we had War Machine before Iron Man as pointed out above, but Spider-Man, like MegaMan, are way bigger guns respectively, so the lack of either of them are far more notable.

That said, I'd say the lack of Wolverine is beyond simply a "notable exclusion". The series started as X-Men VS Street Fighter. Wolverin's basically like Smash's Pikachu. Too important to leave out. Ryu is like the Mario of the series. As I noted before, Akuma's effectively their Master Hand(in a sense, as in a staple boss. Though they have a staple boss per game closer to Master Hand's role in the story as well). I can't think of any other reasonable analogies at the moment, though. Maybe MegaMan is like the Link of SSB. Tons of unique versions of the character, all are weapon masters? I guess?

 

[cmbsfm]

That datamine is fake guys:
https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1135372119527714817

 

[Talazar]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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SHE'S IN!

Spoiler

 

[Lycan Rex]

Like MonkeyDLenny said, twilight could (and that's a big could) refer to anor londo. Specially when it turns to night, it's referred to as twilight anor londo. And coincidently, the leak, that said artorias, did say his stage was anor londo. But i dunno. Seems like a stretch.

Edit: welp nevermind it's a dud.

 

[CosmicQuark]

I'm a little bummed because there's pretty much nothing that connects "Twiright" to Banjo. Then again, there's pretty much nothing that connects "Doyle" to Arsene. (Yeah, yeah, detectives, but that's pretty oblique.)

I mean, not a direct link. But if Twilight is referring to Artorias, that links to Banjo with the Google Theory. However, I doubt both legitimacy, and even the Artorias link is too ambiguous given the other possibilities.

EDIT:

That datamine is fake guys:
https://twitter.com/New_WabiSabi/status/1135372119527714817

Thought so.

 

[BZocky]

I'm a little bummed because there's pretty much nothing that connects "Twiright" to Banjo. Then again, there's pretty much nothing that connects "Doyle" to Arsene. (Yeah, yeah, detectives, but that's pretty oblique.)

EDIT: THE LEAK IS FAKE
If you really want a stretch, it looks like it's twilight at the top of Grunty's lair and there's a general darkness surrounding the lair itself.
Also none of Brave's known stats line up with Artorias..

 

[AngrySun88]

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT GOOGLE THEORY WAS DEAD THIS HAPPENS

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If this is real, then I think it would more likely be a reference to Artorias (since Sora was seemingly deconfirmed), meaning that he's Brave rather than Erdrick.

That would give more credibility to Google Theory, and for all we know Banjo could be revealed in E3 as well. I'm still not discounting the possibility of a double reveal.

Edit: Looks like that datamine is a fake.

 

[Koopaul]

Well I guess we have to wait for a real datamine.

 

[Deleted member]

And that's fine too. I mean that we had Spider-Man, the actual main character, there. He's a massive big gun.

I admit it was rather silly we had War Machine before Iron Man as pointed out above, but Spider-Man, like MegaMan, are way bigger guns respectively, so the lack of either of them are far more notable.

That said, I'd say the lack of Wolverine is beyond simply a "notable exclusion". The series started as X-Men VS Street Fighter. Wolverin's basically like Smash's Pikachu. Too important to leave out. Ryu is like the Mario of the series. As I noted before, Akuma's effectively their Master Hand(in a sense, as in a staple boss. Though they have a staple boss per game closer to Master Hand's role in the story as well). I can't think of any other reasonable analogies at the moment, though.

Iron Man was excluded from Marvel Vs Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom because his game license was at the time in the hands of Acclaim.

Marvel Licensing is a complete mess, which is why Spider Man took so long to be introduced to the cinematic universe, the reason The Fantastic 4 cartoon of 1978 replaced the Human Torch with H.E.R.B.I.E (because the TV License of the Human Torch was to be used for his own TV Movie which did not end up happening) and the reason we will never see the Fantastic 4 Cartoon by Hanna Barbera from the 60's be re-released in any sort of home media in the future as of now because Hanna Barbera's library of shows (including the F4 Cartoon) is owned by WarnerMedia who owns DC Comics, while the Fantastic 4 are owned by Disney now........yeah.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Iron Man was excluded from Marvel Vs Street Fighter and Marvel vs Capcom because his game license was at the time in the hands of Acclaim.

Marvel Licensing is a complete mess, which is why Spider Man took so long to be introduced to the cinematic universe, the reason The Fantastic 4 cartoon of 1978 replaced the Human Torch with H.E.R.B.I.E (because the TV License of the Human Torch was to be used for his own TV Movie which did not end up happening) and the reason we will never see the Fantastic 4 Cartoon by Hanna Barbera from the 60's be re-released in any sort of home media in the future as of now because Hanna Barbera's library of shows (including the F4 Cartoon) is owned by WarnerMedia who owns DC Comics, while the Fantastic 4 are owned by Disney now........yeah.

That... wasn't my point? I'm just saying Iron Man being unavailable isn't equivalent to someone like Spider-Man or MegaMan not being in. Difference in character importance and all.

Thanks for the information, though~

 

[AngrySun88]

Looks like Sabi has confirmed that the Brave datamine is a fake, so we're right back to where we were a day ago.

Though I'm surprised that a real datamine hasn't found anything incriminating yet.

 

[RETROROTER]

I'm a little bummed because there's pretty much nothing that connects "Twiright" to Banjo. Then again, there's pretty much nothing that connects "Doyle" to Arsene. (Yeah, yeah, detectives, but that's pretty oblique.)

That Datamine is fake

 

[Planet Cool]

Does anyone have video of Brave's floaty jump? MonkeyDLenny posted video of the turn skid, but not the jump. If Brave's jump mimics the "arc" of Banjo and Kazooie's Feathery Flap, then I'd say it's in the bag.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

We can't use stats as evidence. Up until Jokers release he was a Super Heavyweight which is NOT AT ALL what he ended up being. Don't set yourselves up for disappointment when it's so easily avoidable.

 

[Megadoomer]

Looks like Sabi has confirmed that the Brave datamine is a fake, so we're right back to where we were a day ago.

Though I'm surprised that a real datamine hasn't found anything incriminating yet.

I'd say that they might have learned their lesson, since a previous patch removed the references to Jack and Brave, but them not learning the lesson from Ryu and Roy being leaked is how we found out about Brave in the first place.

Then again, there were apparently placeholders for Cloud and Bayonetta that were found (based on Ike and Zero Suit Samus, I think) well after those characters were revealed and released, so maybe they've just gotten sneakier about it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'd say that they might have learned their lesson, since a previous patch removed the references to Jack and Brave, but them not learning the lesson from Ryu and Roy being leaked is how we found out about Brave in the first place.

Then again, there were apparently placeholders for Cloud and Bayonetta that were found (based on Ike and Zero Suit Samus, I think) well after those characters were revealed and released, so maybe they've just gotten sneakier about it.

Corrin had a similar placeholder, based upon Ike too.

Yeah, Sakurai can be baddddddd at scrubbing some data. Though Smash Ultimate hasn't been nearly as bad, as the terms are a lot less vague for anyone besides Packun Flower.

 

[Izanagi97]

Which is part of why I don't think a second Square rep, let alone Erdrick, is gonna happen. Square is just too difficult to work with

That and the whole leakbait stuff going around

Unless of course Nintendo sees they can get a heavy return on their investment of another character from SE.

True, but there's also the part where people are kinda pissed about SE stinginess (whether it's them being a PitA or the rights issues with their stuff) so that will probably turn off buyers in the know (I mean would you spend $6 knowing that you're barely getting jack **** compared to other fighters?)

We can't use stats as evidence. Up until Jokers release he was a Super Heavyweight which is NOT AT ALL what he ended up being. Don't set yourselves up for disappointment when it's so easily avoidable.

Joker had a weight value of 89 before release (it was changed to 93 on release). You must be thinking of the Plant who had a vast change in weight from the first datamine (where it was a midweight) to release (where it is a borderline super heavy)

 

[dlewis53]

So what are y'all's favorite/least favorite levels from Kazooie/Tooie? WitchyWorld is probably my favorite overall. I like the theme since I'm an amusement park nut and the variation it brings. The music is also fire. My favorite in Kazooie though is probably Mad Monster Mansion for its atmosphere and charm.
As for my least favorite in Tooie, it's probably Terrydactyland (I actually like how puzzle like Grunty Industries is). For Kazooie, definitely Freezeezy Peak. All those snowball throwing snowmen and cold water was really annoying.

From Kazooie:

Favorite: Mad Monster Mansion
Least-Favorite: Rusty Bucket Bay

From Tooie:

Favorite: Witchyworld
Least-Favorite: Grunty Industries

 

[MissingGlitch]

I first saw that so called datamine from Sabi's tweet. Glad that was the first thing I saw.

 

[Planet Cool]

Here's something else to tide us over while we wait for our next big breakthrough: what will Banjo's icon be? A jiggy is the most likely option, but it could also be a honeycomb. Both would look nice, methinks.