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Reila

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Out of the many characters proposed for Smash DLC, I have never understood why so many people want Bandana Dee so badly. Could someone explain? To me, he’s simply a minor side character that is eclipsed by so many other worthy contenders.
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Edit: To not spam the thread, I struggled a lot to understand the huge popularity Bandana Dee have as well. And to be honest, I still don't understand very well, but I came to terms that as far as popularity is concerned, he is the most likely character to be the next Kirby rep, if there's ever one.
 
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@ EvanBuck EvanBuck - Just to add to what's already been said, from a game lore perspective, Bandana Dee is Dedede's bodyguard, as well. (Honestly, I'd love to know how he earned that post. :p)

As for catching up, how behind are you? There are definitely some recommendations to be shared. :grin:
 

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I knew Kirby was popular, but is it really the fifth largest Nintendo franchise? In terms of sales, you mean? So it is Mario, Pokémon, DK, Zelda and then Kirby?
My avatar fits my belief that Duck Hunt is a trollishly fun character to play as. In fact, my nicknames for him are "Troll Hunt" and "Duck Hype Dog." I may change it because people seem to not take me too seriously. :p

Also, as previously clarified, I'm not trying to troll the thread.
Check my post again, I edited it with a proper response.
 
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@ EvanBuck EvanBuck - Just to add to what's already been said, from a game lore perspective, Bandana Dee is Dedede's bodyguard, as well. (Honestly, I'd love to know how he earned that post. :p)

As for catching up, how behind are you? There are definitely some recommendations to be shared. :grin:
The last Kirby game I beat was Kirby's Nightmare in Dreamland. I've played a little of the Kirby DS game that spawned the sequel "Rainbow Curse" on the Wii U, but that doesn't really count as I never beat it. So essentially, I need to play from the Gameboy era-on.
 

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I knew Kirby was popular, but is it really the fifth largest Nintendo franchise? In terms of sales, you mean? So it is Mario, Pokémon, DK, Zelda and then Kirby?
Technically it's Mario, Pokemon, the Wii series, Zelda, DK, Kirby, but if we don't count the Wii series because it's not strictly character-led, then yes, Kirby is the fifth-biggest. In either scenario, Kirby is very popular, and absolutely nothing to sneeze at!

I did a full write-up on this in this very thread some months ago. You might be interested in giving it a look.

The last Kirby game I beat was Kirby's Nightmare in Dreamland. I've played a little of the Kirby DS game that spawned the sequel "Rainbow Curse" on the Wii U, but that doesn't really count as I never beat it. So essentially, I need to play from the Gameboy era-on.
Aha! So, Amazing Mirror to present, then? That's a fair chunk of stuff to catch up on, but it does at least include Kirby Super Star Ultra for the DS, which is the game (well, technically a remake, but it does have some new games and content added over the original, which makes it worthwhile even if you played that) where Bandana Waddle Dee became established in his current role, in the game's added remake of the original Kirby's Dream Land's Extra Game Mode, "Revenge of the King".

It also includes the insanely brilliant Kirby Air Ride for the GameCube. :laugh:

Also, speaking purely of more recent titles, I can only highly recommend Kirby Triple Deluxe for the 3DS. It's a fantastic game. :)
 
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Technically it's Mario, Pokemon, the Wii series, Zelda, DK, Kirby, but if we don't count the Wii series because it's not strictly character-led, then yes, Kirby is the fifth-biggest. In either scenario, Kirby is very popular, and absolutely nothing to sneeze at!

I did a full write-up on this in this very thread some months ago. You might be interested in giving it a look.


Aha! So, Amazing Mirror to present, then? That's a fair chunk of stuff to catch up on, but it does at least include Kirby Super Star Ultra for the DS, which is the game (well, technically a remake, but it does have some new games and content added over the original, which makes it worthwhile even if you played that) where Bandana Waddle Dee became established in his current role, in the game's added remake of the original Kirby's Dream Land's Extra Game Mode, "Revenge of the King".

It also includes the insanely brilliant Kirby Air Ride for the GameCube. :laugh:

Also, speaking purely of more recent titles, I can only highly recommend Kirby Triple Deluxe for the 3DS. It's a fantastic game. :)
Wow. Looking at page 500 there was:
A very serious mood whiplash (for a valid reason)
More mention of a BDee plush
Most of the people that are still here
 

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I'm glad everyone was nice and respectful when giving our reasons as to why we want Bandana Dee in Smash to @ EvanBuck EvanBuck here. Kudos to all.

Good thing Ghostylure wasn't here,
 

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I just google 4chan waddle dee and bandana dee and all I want to say is this
4CHAN IS THE STUPIDEST PLACE ON THE INTERNET NEXT TO REDDIT
 

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I just google 4chan waddle dee and bandana dee and all I want to say is this
4CHAN IS THE STUPIDEST PLACE ON THE INTERNET NEXT TO REDDIT
Because they didn't agree with Bandanna Dee?
 

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I looked (bad idea) and they were essentially just saying derogatory names and "if this guy gets in a Goomba can get in" and things along those lines.
I read through the whole thing last night, and honestly they're entitled to their opinions. Hell, I'm neutral on Bandana Dee, but I share the same sentiments with some of his detractors (namely the fact that he's honestly the Blue Toad of Kirby games, not that I find that an outright bad thing).


It's just that saying not just someone, but an entire group of people, is stupid because they share differing opinions of a character really doesn't shed good light on the supporters. Just my viewpoint.
 

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I read through the whole thing last night, and honestly they're entitled to their opinions. Hell, I'm neutral on Bandana Dee, but I share the same sentiments with some of his detractors (namely the fact that he's honestly the Blue Toad of Kirby games, not that I find that an outright bad thing).


It's just that saying not just someone, but an entire group of people, is stupid because they share differing opinions of a character really doesn't shed good light on the supporters. Just my viewpoint.
It's funny because you are doing the same thing, some users said that and now you are saying that all the supporters will look bad.
And also, we are not the only fanbase that was insulted or the only fanbase with users complaining about that website.

The difference is that the Blue Toad has no different abilities or personality compared to the other Toads, it's literally just a Toad that can be replaced with any other Toad, unlike Bandana Dee who is not just a normal Waddle Dee, because he is stronger, has different abilities, is Dedede's right-hand man and Kirby's friend.
Captain Toad or Rosalina would be a better comparison to Bandana Dee.
 

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I read through the whole thing last night, and honestly they're entitled to their opinions. Hell, I'm neutral on Bandana Dee, but I share the same sentiments with some of his detractors (namely the fact that he's honestly the Blue Toad of Kirby games, not that I find that an outright bad thing).


It's just that saying not just someone, but an entire group of people, is stupid because they share differing opinions of a character really doesn't shed good light on the supporters. Just my viewpoint.
They are unnecessarily being offensive (granted it is 4chan). I would post some of the comments here, but I'd rather not get banned.
 

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I read through the whole thing last night, and honestly they're entitled to their opinions. Hell, I'm neutral on Bandana Dee, but I share the same sentiments with some of his detractors (namely the fact that he's honestly the Blue Toad of Kirby games, not that I find that an outright bad thing).


It's just that saying not just someone, but an entire group of people, is stupid because they share differing opinions of a character really doesn't shed good light on the supporters. Just my viewpoint.
Blue Toad is random member of the Toad species. Bandana Dee is an actual character. Bandana Dee is basically Kirby's Captain Toad.


I really want a Bandana Dee and Captain Toad adventure now.
 
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It's funny because you are doing the same thing, some users said that and now you are saying that all the supporters will look bad.
And also, we are not the only fanbase that was insulted or the only fanbase with users complaining about that website.

The difference is that the Blue Toad has no different abilities or personality compared to the other Toads, it's literally just a Toad that can be replaced with any other Toad, unlike Bandana Dee who is not just a normal Waddle Dee, because he is stronger, has different abilities, is Dedede's right-hand man and Kirby's friend.
Captain Toad or Rosalina would be a better comparison to Bandana Dee.
I'm saying it based on public perception, not individual perception. And I never said you were the only ones.

Blue Toad does have separate abilities: faster running and plucking speed, and has been just as apparent in Mario platformers as Dee has in Kirby games. SMB2, the NSMB series, 3D World...quite a few. Likewise Dee has playable appearances in Return to Dreamland and Rainbow Curse, for example. I disagree with Captain Toad or Rosalina being better comparisons. If Bandana Dee were to get his own game, yeah, I could get behind the Captain Toad comparison. And he's definitely not the Rosalina of Kirby, in my opinion. He fits much more into the generic-species-turned-actual-character group than completely-new-character-in-general group.

I'm not against Dee at all. I'm just saying the similarities are there.
 

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I'm saying it based on public perception, not individual perception. And I never said you were the only ones.

Blue Toad does have separate abilities: faster running and plucking speed, and has been just as apparent in Mario platformers as Dee has in Kirby games. SMB2, the NSMB series, 3D World...quite a few. Likewise Dee has playable appearances in Return to Dreamland and Rainbow Curse, for example. I disagree with Captain Toad or Rosalina being better comparisons. If Bandana Dee were to get his own game, yeah, I could get behind the Captain Toad comparison. And he's definitely not the Rosalina of Kirby, in my opinion. He fits much more into the generic-species-turned-actual-character group than completely-new-character-in-general group.

I'm not against Dee at all. I'm just saying the similarities are there.
I have only played very few Mario games, but does Blue Toad have a personality? The generic species turned character group fits Captain Toad, Blue Toad and any other playable Toad as well. That fits Yoshi and all the Pokemon too, but you don't seem to have a gripe with them.
 

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I'm saying it based on public perception, not individual perception. And I never said you were the only ones.

Blue Toad does have separate abilities: faster running and plucking speed, and has been just as apparent in Mario platformers as Dee has in Kirby games. SMB2, the NSMB series, 3D World...quite a few. Likewise Dee has playable appearances in Return to Dreamland and Rainbow Curse, for example. I disagree with Captain Toad or Rosalina being better comparisons. If Bandana Dee were to get his own game, yeah, I could get behind the Captain Toad comparison. And he's definitely not the Rosalina of Kirby, in my opinion. He fits much more into the generic-species-turned-actual-character group than completely-new-character-in-general group.

I'm not against Dee at all. I'm just saying the similarities are there.
Captain toad and Bandana Dee are in the same group because;
- they were both apart of a popular species
- then the were side characters
- then had games were they showed how the were different for the other people of their species
captain toad is a recurring character
and to reiterate
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I have only played very few Mario games, but does Blue Toad have a personality? The generic species turned character group fits Captain Toad, Blue Toad and any other playable Toad as well. That fits Yoshi and all the Pokemon too, but you don't seem to have a gripe with them.
 
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I have only played very few Mario games, but does Blue Toad have a personality? The generic species turned character group fits Captain Toad, Blue Toad and any other playable Toad as well. That fits Yoshi and all the Pokemon too, but you don't seem to have a gripe with them.
Almost no Mario character has a personality. That being said, I've played through RtD and watched Rainbow Curse gameplay extensively, and there's not a whole lot to Bandana Dee either.

I never said that group didn't include those characters. It just doesn't fit Rosalina whatsoever. I was pointing out that comparing Bandana Dee to Rosalina is a terrible comparison.

Captain toad and Bandana Dee are in the same group because;
- they were both apart of a popular species
- then the were side characters
- then had games were they showed how the were different for the other people of their species
captain toad is a recurring character
and to reiterate
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But like I said, the thing that really separated Captain Toad from generic Toads was getting his own game, something Bandana Dee doesn't have. Until that happens, I see him much more like Blue Toad than Captain Toad.
 

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I'm saying it based on public perception, not individual perception. And I never said you were the only ones.

Blue Toad does have separate abilities: faster running and plucking speed, and has been just as apparent in Mario platformers as Dee has in Kirby games. SMB2, the NSMB series, 3D World...quite a few. Likewise Dee has playable appearances in Return to Dreamland and Rainbow Curse, for example. I disagree with Captain Toad or Rosalina being better comparisons. If Bandana Dee were to get his own game, yeah, I could get behind the Captain Toad comparison. And he's definitely not the Rosalina of Kirby, in my opinion. He fits much more into the generic-species-turned-actual-character group than completely-new-character-in-general group.

I'm not against Dee at all. I'm just saying the similarities are there.
The red Toad also shows high speed.


And the yellow Toad has the same speed as the Blue Toad in New Super Mario Bros.
The Blue Toad is just a recolour.

The Captain Toad comparison is because Captain Toad is the leader of the Toads and he actually looks different and has different abilities.
The Rosalina comparison is because Rosalina started as decently important character and now she is in all the Mario games after Galaxy, like how Bandana Dee appears with important roles in all the Kirby games after Return to Dream Land.
 
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The red Toad also shows high speed.


And the yellow Toad has the same speed as the Blue Toad in New Super Mario Bros.
The Blue Toad is just a recolour.
Interesting.... I thought the Toad in that game was suppose to be blue;


Just a observation, not trying to change the subject.
 

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The red Toad also shows high speed.


And the yellow Toad has the same speed as the Blue Toad in New Super Mario Bros.
The Blue Toad is just a recolour.

The Captain Toad comparison is because Captain Toad is the leader of the Toads and he actually looks different and has different abilities.
The Rosalina comparison is because Rosalina started as decently important character and now she is in all the Mario games after Galaxy, like how Bandana Dee appears with important roles in all the Kirby games after Return to Dream Land.
Interesting.... I thought the Toad in that game was suppose to be blue;


Just a observation, not trying to change the subject.
I was always under the assumption that the Blue Toad in 3D World was based off the SMB2 Toad, as shown here. Everyone else's abilities match that game, so it's very likely the same Toad. And in the NSMB series, barring I think Luigi in the DLC for NSMBU, all playable characters have the same stats. In that game, every character is a color or model swap, essentially.

I just think that comparing Bandana Dee to Captain Toad or Rosalina is giving him far more credit than he honestly deserves, and that's coming from someone who likes the character. And to be honest, Bandana Dee isn't even that unique considering everything he can do, Kirby can do with the Spear ability. Even with Meta Knight and Dedede, there are subtle differences, like the fact that Meta Knight's basically a mix of the Sword and Wing powers, while Dedede can keep his hammer even when thrown. Correct me if I'm wrong, but functionally there's no difference between Spear Kirby and Bandana Dee, right?
 

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I was always under the assumption that the Blue Toad in 3D World was based off the SMB2 Toad, as shown here. Everyone else's abilities match that game, so it's very likely the same Toad. And in the NSMB series, barring I think Luigi in the DLC for NSMBU, all playable characters have the same stats. In that game, every character is a color or model swap, essentially.

I just think that comparing Bandana Dee to Captain Toad or Rosalina is giving him far more credit than he honestly deserves, and that's coming from someone who likes the character. And to be honest, Bandana Dee isn't even that unique considering everything he can do, Kirby can do with the Spear ability. Even with Meta Knight and Dedede, there are subtle differences, like the fact that Meta Knight's basically a mix of the Sword and Wing powers, while Dedede can keep his hammer even when thrown. Correct me if I'm wrong, but functionally there's no difference between Spear Kirby and Bandana Dee, right?
It doesn't really matter if it's the same Toad, I said other Toads have the same abilities as the blue one and that's a fact.

Not differences in attacks, but there is the obvious difference, Bandana Dee can't lose his ability. Also, unlike Kirby, BD doesn't inflate himself to fly, so he doesn't need to throw air pellets every two seconds, making Bandana Dee faster and more effective in the air.
 

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Almost no Mario character has a personality. That being said, I've played through RtD and watched Rainbow Curse gameplay extensively, and there's not a whole lot to Bandana Dee either.
They first started defining him and his current role in Revenge of the King, which is a remake of the tougher Extra Game mode from Kirby's Dream Land, which was included in Kirby Super Star Ultra. Video below. :)


It's blue in that version and red in the other version.



That's proof that you can just change the colour and it's the same thing.
It was always supposed to be red, though. The only thing it's proof of, is the colour limits for sprites that the NES' PPU (Picture Processing Unit) had. ;)
 

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It doesn't really matter if it's the same Toad, I said other Toads have the same abilities as the blue one and that's a fact.

Not differences in attacks, but there is the obvious difference, Bandana Dee can't lose his ability. Also, unlike Kirby, BD doesn't inflate himself to fly, so he doesn't need to throw air pellets every two seconds, making Bandana Dee faster and more effective in the air.
The only time a non-Blue Toad used those powers was the Advanced Version of Mario 2. 3D World clearly retconned that. Where else is a different Toad using it?

But the air thing is true of every character in Return to Dreamland, is it not? Meta Knight definitely doesn't do the air pellet thing, and neither does Dedede IIRC. And they can't lose their abilities either. So combat wise, he's just the same as Spear Kirby?
 

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Almost no Mario character has a personality. That being said, I've played through RtD and watched Rainbow Curse gameplay extensively, and there's not a whole lot to Bandana Dee either.
Super Star Ultra was where his background came from (well, all but the Kirby's best friend part).
I never said that group didn't include those characters. It just doesn't fit Rosalina whatsoever. I was pointing out that comparing Bandana Dee to Rosalina is a terrible comparison.
Well, maybe not exactly. As I said, I've not exactly played Mario, but I believe Rosa appeared in two games before being playable in a main platformer. Dee was playable before Rosa and their first two appearances were one small and not so important (BDee Super Star, Rosa SMG 2) and another pretty important to story (BDee SSU, Rosa SMG).

But like I said, the thing that really separated Captain Toad from generic Toads was getting his own game, something Bandana Dee doesn't have. Until that happens, I see him much more like Blue Toad than Captain Toad.
How often do games branch out and focus on a side character for an entire game? Mario was able to do that because it has such a large fan base worldwide. Kirby has a large Japanese fan base, but it's not as large anywhere else. Cap. Toad only got his own game last year.
 

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Oi, I can kinda get Captain Toad, but why is Rosalina seen as more deserving than Bandana Dee? I played both Galaxy games and 3D World and to be honest saw nothing that puts her above Bandana Dee other than possibly seniority? I honestly feel like I'm missing something here, does she have other notable appearances outside of Mario Kart + Sports where she gets any bigger role than Bandana Dee? To me she seems on equal footing?

Also, I don't think 4Chan as a whole is 'stupid' , but rather more or less very crude with their opinions, and are far more likely to say it in a manner that may offend people, much like say, GameFAQs, my advice would be to ignore it since no one really takes either of those two sites seriously anyway, it's basically the anarchist parts of the internet where there's really no rules.
 
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The only time a non-Blue Toad used those powers was the Advanced Version of Mario 2. 3D World clearly retconned that. Where else is a different Toad using it?

But the air thing is true of every character in Return to Dreamland, is it not? Meta Knight definitely doesn't do the air pellet thing, and neither does Dedede IIRC. And they can't lose their abilities either. So combat wise, he's just the same as Spear Kirby?
That version of Mario 2 is enough proof, that and the fact that when multiple Toads are playable, blue or not, all have the same speed stats.

Dedede does that, and I don't know why are you mentioning that, you asked for differences between BD and Spear Kirby.
 

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The only time a non-Blue Toad used those powers was the Advanced Version of Mario 2. 3D World clearly retconned that. Where else is a different Toad using it?

But the air thing is true of every character in Return to Dreamland, is it not? Meta Knight definitely doesn't do the air pellet thing, and neither does Dedede IIRC. And they can't lose their abilities either. So combat wise, he's just the same as Spear Kirby?
did you read this post by @ Tortilla Noggin Tortilla Noggin about the color of toad and bandana dee's personality ?
They first started defining him and his current role in Revenge of the King, which is a remake of the tougher Extra Game mode from Kirby's Dream Land, which was included in Kirby Super Star Ultra. Video below. :)

also dedede has the same flying abilities as kirby in that game and that make him a slow character

It was always supposed to be red, though. The only thing it's proof of, is the colour limits for sprites that the NES' PPU (Picture Processing Unit) had. ;)
 
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