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Bandana Dee, the Legend of Dee - Our Star Ally as DeeLC?! (v(- ' ' -)>↑

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Aha! See what I mean about the Bandana Dee merch? They just announced these keychains a few hours ago, and our boy is the ONLY non-kirby character to get one.
I'm not saying this tiny keychain confirms him for smash, but this tiny keychain confirms him for smash.

I'll have to double wrap my tinfoil hat this time!
 

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It's pretty obvious that another boss, almost 100% 0³ is being added in Wave 3. This IS the fanservice game after all.

The real question is if they'll make it a whole new kind of 0, or if they'll just rehash 0² with the Whatever Star since he's the fan favorite final boss.
Judging by the final boss's Japanese name I have a hunch on what it'll be called if it happens.
In Japan Void Termina's name is "End Nil", I'm betting it's going to be called "Final Zero" since that'd mean literally the exact same thing, it'd be perfect foreshadowing and it'd fit the whole Zero = Void thing they seem to be going with.
 

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If it is 0, I doubt they'd half-a** it. I mean, they could have easily just copied Artist's moveset for Adeleine, which I actually expected, and would have been fine with. But they went all out, and made her about 99% unique. Nor did they have to create fully animated HD models for the entire Squeak Squad, but again, they did. If 0 is to be in this game, he will be brand new. I can almost guarantee it.
The lesson of the day here is, never assume that Kumazaki will skimp out on anything for his Kirby games (except the main campaign's difficulty, it's like he's overeager for all players to see his epic stories as quick as possible and all, but still).
 

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Imagine if it's just the return of Dark Nebula (Dark 0 in Japan) how disappointing would that be?

I love and adore Squeak Squad but even I have to admit that final boss was a joke
 

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To me, Battle Royale isn't strictly canon. You see, unlike the other current main Kirby games, it has a different director (Tadashi Kawai, while Kumazaki only acts as the general director that time), so it's natural to see a different interpretation of Waddle Dee and Dedede's personalities and motivations. Kumazaki was the director of Super Star Ultra, and as far as I can tell BDW and Dedede have remained unambiguously loyal/good, not to mention that Masked Dedede got brought back for Triple Deluxe.

Kawai's take on Dedede sorta seems to harken back to the "Dededouche" days, which seems a bit strange to do given the king's current roles. Then again, not too many people seem to be that keen on Battle Royale anyway, so hey. It's at the individual fan's discretion.
Ahh, I see, that explains things. Yeah, honestly if Kumazaki wasn't the head director of that game, then I think I'll personally take it as non canon myself. It clears up the whole debacle on why Bandana Dee isn't with Dedede in that game, and I'm honestly not the biggest fan of Dedede's characterization in that game myself. I did like how the game really established a close bond between Kirby and Bandana Dee though.

I must say that I do rather like Kumazaki's direction though. It would be nice if he was a little less ambiguous about certain story elements within the games, but I really appreciate his efforts to tie everything together, like tying Amazing Mirror into Triple Deluxe's plot, even when Amazing Mirror is one of the more lowkey entries in the series. Whatever this new boss is going to be, I'm excited to see what it adds to the lore (especially if it is Zero).
 
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Honestly, I was FLOORED the moment I saw Dark Star's core in Morpho Knight's battle. There's no doubt in my mind that something MASSIVE is being saved the final update to this game.

Also, does anyone think the final update should rename the game to "Kirby Super Star Allies"?
 

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Hello, I'm a new member here and have been looking around the threads to familiarize myself. I see this thread is one of people who want Bandana Dee in Smash, mind if I join?
 
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Hello, I'm a new member here and have been looking around the threads to familiarize myself. I see this thread is one of people who want Bandana Dee in Smash, mind if I join?
Ayy welcome to the brigade, friendo! (do we still call it that)? A supporter of Bandana Dee is a friend of mine uwu
 
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I haven't been on this site in awhile, but I'm back now, and I'm happy to say that I'm still loyal to the Dee.

<((-^^-))>
 

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Also the Wave 2 puzzle illustrations!

Hmm, Kirby, Meta Knight, and King Dedede are at the Fountain of Dreams.

The Fountain of Dreams stage is likely to return in Smash Ultimate (Or at least I hope it is)

Kirby, Meta Knight, and King Dedede are all playable characters in Smash Ultimate.

But Bandanna Dee is also there....

HMMMMMMMMMMM
 

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So, does anyone know why he's not in yet? I think he's one of the most deserving characters to get in, period. Not including SSB and the G&W consoles, Kirby is the 6th best-selling nintendo franchise, and only has 3 reps. Metroid and Star Fox only have 3 reps, but they don't even have Kirby's sales combined. And what better Kirby rep than Bandana Dee, the 4th main character who has been in more of the last few Kirby games than Meta Knight? He would also represent the spear very well, and he already has a moveset and animations from Star Allies! It would take very little time to improv, as he already has
Jab Combo, FTilt, UTilt/Smash, DAir, Up-B, Side-B, maybe UAir, not including moves from Parasol or Beam and generic spear strikes. Maybe Down-B could use Parasol (like SSF2), while Neutral-B uses Waddle Doo/Beam (again, like SSF2), then he could incorporate a couple parasol moves, a beam move or two, a few strikes with a spear, and he has a moveset!
I'll have to double wrap my tinfoil hat this time!
*tinfoil bandana
 
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So, does anyone know why he's not in yet? I think he's one of the most deserving characters to get in, period. Not including SSB and the G&W consoles, Kirby is the 6th best-selling nintendo franchise, and only has 3 reps. Metroid and Star Fox only have 3 reps, but they don't even have Kirby's sales combined. And what better Kirby rep than Bandana Dee, the 4th main character who has been in more of the last few Kirby games than Meta Knight?
'd imagine that he wasn't added in 4 due to the fact that Return to Dream Land was likely the most recent game at the time of development, which may have lead some of the developers to believe that he wouldn't grow as big as he did.

That seems like the most logical explanation, and with that problem out of the way...
 
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So, does anyone know why he's not in yet? I think he's one of the most deserving characters to get in, period. Not including SSB and the G&W consoles, Kirby is the 6th best-selling nintendo franchise, and only has 3 reps. Metroid and Star Fox only have 3 reps, but they don't even have Kirby's sales combined. And what better Kirby rep than Bandana Dee, the 4th main character who has been in more of the last few Kirby games than Meta Knight? He would also represent the spear very well, and he already has a moveset and animations from Star Allies! It would take very little time to improv, as he already has
Jab Combo, FTilt, UTilt/Smash, DAir, Up-B, Side-B, maybe UAir, not including moves from Parasol or Beam and generic spear strikes. Maybe Down-B could use Parasol (like SSF2), while Neutral-B uses Waddle Doo/Beam (again, like SSF2), then he could incorporate a couple parasol moves, a beam move or two, a few strikes with a spear, and he has a moveset!

*tinfoil bandana
Project Plan for Smash 4 was done in the first half of 2012. Since then Bandana Dee's only roles of note were as a minor character in Super Star Ultra and as a playable character in Return To Dream Land. It wasn't until after then that he really became a series mainstay.

The whole "series has X amount of sales so they get X reps" thing is sorta faulty, especially when Falco was added last minute to Melee and Wolf was also added late to Brawl with reusing of Fox assets. If that were the case, DK would have already had K. Rool and Dixie Kong in Smash by now. :p
 

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Gotta agree with you there. As far as I'm aware, the only Kirby Assist Trophies are Knuckle Joe and Nightmare right? (And the only thing Nightmare does is makes the screen pitch black... not super interesting). I think any of the Dream Friends would be much more interesting Assists, especially Adeleine, who would be a pretty simple Assist. I could picture that she could send out her painting minions and is usually behind her canvas, but if you get enough damage in while she's painting, she'll fly off the screen like she does when she's hit in 64.

Though that's got me thinking about what would happen if Bandana Dee ends up an Assist... it would be better than nothing compared to what Smash 4 gave him (which was zilch), but super disappointing nonetheless. Plus, then there's going to be a bunch of people saying stuff like "See? He was just a Goomba with a hat that wasn't interesting enough to be playable!" since y'know, you have stuff like Chain Chomps and Hammer Bros. as Assists. There's just something about being an Assist that makes a character an easy target for jokes it seems. Ah well, no use worrying about that at this point I guess.
 

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So, does anyone know why he's not in yet? I think he's one of the most deserving characters to get in, period.
I'd say the widely accepted answer is Sakurai not wanting to overrepresent his own series, even if it wouldn't actually be overrepresented. This is why Dedede wasn't in Melee. Sakurai has also rejected a generic Waddle Dee, so Bandana Dee would be closer to his "no" zone. Kirby content in Smash has always favored the earlier games, but Dee's important roles are all in later ones.
 

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I'd say the widely accepted answer is Sakurai not wanting to overrepresent his own series, even if it wouldn't actually be overrepresented. This is why Dedede wasn't in Melee. Sakurai has also rejected a generic Waddle Dee, so Bandana Dee would be closer to his "no" zone. Kirby content in Smash has always favored the earlier games, but Dee's important roles are all in later ones.
If Marx got in over BDW for that reason, the fan outcry would be louder than Marx's death cry.
 

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Hey there, I'm here to join the Bandana Brigade, as well as offer my own moveset idea for our favorite Player 4.

The general concept for the character is walling out approaches with various mid-range tactics and quick up close tactics. Bandana Dee utilizes his spear and his special blue parasol extensively. Similarly to how quickly Pit uses his blades and bow, Bandana Dee quickly transitions between the two during moves that use them, and the last move he used reflects in his idle animations. I decided against utilizing Beam in any way because that belongs to Waddle Doo and feels disingenuous to Bandana Dee's skillset. Additionally, other than his copter spin, I feel his spear attacks should be exclusively stabbing, other than Spear Copter I feel like him swinging it doesn't make sense.

Bandana Waddle Dee
Stats
Ground Speed: Equal to Kirby
Air Speed: Almost as good as Jigglypuff
Weight: A bit heavier than Kirby
Jumps: Ground Jump + 4 Midair Jumos
Wall Jump/Cling: No
Crawl: No

Animations
Entrance Animation: Crash lands on a Warp Star (from the opposite direction Kirby comes in from) and spins around dizzy before pulling out his spear.
Taunts & Victory Animations: The Reddit link above honestly covers this better than I could, those are all quite good.
Defeat Animation: Claps in a way that resembles his animation in the bleachers of the Masked Dedede fight.

Normals
Jab: Single Spear Thrust, slow startup but the best range of any Jab, decent for walling out approaches, slight sweetspot at tip. (5% or 7%, low nearly horizontal KB)
Jab Infinite: Multispear Attack, entered from chaining off of regular Jab or by holding attack for Infinite Jab. Good range and finishes off with a stab. (3%, nearly horizontal KB)
Forward Tilt: Parasol Swing, Bandana Dee quickly swaps out for his parasol and swings it forward, with a splash sourspot at the end extending the hitbox. Slow, but good for applying pressure and keeping slower characters away, and sourspot can lead into grab. (12% & diagonal KB at Parasol, 9% and flinch from water)
Down Tilt: Slide Kick, the move every Kirby character has for sliding across the ground, Pops enemies into the air. (4% & vertical KB)
Up Tilt: Skyward Thrust, quickly stabs upwards with his spear, range comparable to Marth's Up Smash and more speed, but with much less power or knockback. (8%, vertical KB)
Dash Attack: Parasol Drill, rushes forward with a multihit parasol attack that walls out approaches and negates projectiles. (10% if all hits connect, diagonal KB)

Aerials
Neutral Air: Pulls out his parasol and twirls it 360 degrees, hitting in front and behind, similar to Marth's Nair but at an angle similar to Ness' Nair. (8% & horizontal KB on forward hit, 7% & diagonal KB on back hit)
Forward Air: Stabs with his spear three times in very quick succession, similar to Ridley's Fair but with more range and slightly less damage, very low KB on final hit. (7%, minimal horizontal KB)
Back Air: Aerial Back Thrust, readies his spear before thrusting it behind him, similar to Shulk's Bair, sweetspot at tip for kills. (14% & high horizontal KB at sweetspot, 9% & minimal diagonal knockback at sourspot)
Down Air: Moon Drop, holds his spear downward and twirls downward at high speed, stall-and-fall, spikes on startup, guarnateed death if used offtstage. (14% and spike on startup, 8% and diagonal knockback during the rest of the move)
Up Air: Flip Kick, similar to Kirby's Uair but with a much more diagonal knockback angle to help lead into Fair or a few other moves. (6% and low diagonal KB)

Grab/Throws
Grab: Essentially similar to Kirby's.
Pummel: Essentially similar to Kirby's, slightly slower.
Forward Throw: Essentially similar to Kirby's, but with much more horizontal knockback and greater kill power. (12% and high horizontal KB)
Back Throw: Essentially similar to Kirby's but with much more horizontal knockback and greater kill power. (13% and high horizontal KB)
Down Throw: Uses Parasol Dive to drill into the opponent on the ground, combo throw. (9% and low diagonal KB)
Up Throw: Circus Throw, bounces opponent on top of his parasol for a bit before launching them, not good for killing or combos, just to get the opponent in the air and restrict their options. (10%, vertical KB)

Smash Attacks
Forward Smash: Bandana Dee charges up before stabbing forward with his spear with great force, range slightly less than Shulk's Fsmash, but single hit and with a sweetspot at the tip, can be angled. (14% uncharged sourspot, 19% uncharged sweetspot, 22% charged sourspot, 28% charged sweetspot, all high to extreme diagonal KB)
Down Smash: Bandana Dee charges up before doing a quick stab forward, followed by a Back Thrust, less range than Fsmash both ways and each hit has a slight sweetspot at the tip. (12% uncharged sourspot, 15% uncharged sweetspot, 19% charged sourspot, 23% charged sweetspot, all high nearly horizontal KB)
Up Smash: Bandana Dee readies his unopened Parasol before striking upwards and popping it open, hitting with moderate force. Very quick startup with a vacuum hitbox on startup that leads into the main hit, similarly to Marth's Usmash. Useful for when an opponent has gotten past your spacing tools. (14% uncharged, 20% charged, both nearly vertical KB)

Special Moves
Neutral Special - Gale Thrust: Bandana Dee charges in place, before driving forward a good distance with his spear pointed forward. Like Roy and Mac's Neutral Bs, it can be turned around before launching, or shield canceled. Damage depends on the level of charge and distance traveled, with a max-charge, close-range attack dealing the most damage and knockback. If used midair, this move can grant incredible horizontal recovery.
Side Special - Spear Throw: Bandana Dee chucks his trusty spear in an arc with moderately slow airspeed, an extremely good projectile for sniping offstage opponents. If done out of a dash, the spear is thrown faster, but with a lower arc. When used midair, it slightly stalls your fall, and the move can be used in succession about half as quickly as it can in the actual Kirby games. (Triple Spear is left out because it would honestly be pretty unreasonable as a projectile by Smash standards, imo) (9% and diagonal knockback)
Down Special - Parasol Shield: Bandana Dee ducks under the cover of his Parasol. All projectiles that hit the parasol are instantly negated, and it causes opponents that bump into it to take minor damage and flinch, which can lead into a grab. Very good against opponents who like to run in for grabs or try to crossup with turnaround grabs, but vulnerable to weapon-based attacks and with much more lag than just dropping shield, making it a riskier option with greater benefits in some situations.
Up Special - Spear Copter: Bandana Dee spins his spear around at high speed, taking flight. The move has slow startup before the hitbox comes out, making it fairly vulnerable. Once in flight, it creates a very wide, but very thin multihit hitbox over Bandana Dee's head that lasts a total of three seconds. Despite the incredible lift, Bandana Dee has horrible horizontal momentum in this state. To combat this, he can press Down to cancel the Spear Copter into Drift, wherin he quickly opens his Parasol and begins descending with his original airspeed. Drift has no hitbox, leaving him vulnerable on all sides, but can be an effective recovery mixup compared to the slow movement of Spear Copter. If Spear Copter is finished without being canceled, Bandana Dee goes into freefall.

Final Smash: Megaton Punch
After a quick pose, Bandana Dee does a leaping punch at the ground in front of him. Anyone within range suddenly finds themselves in Pop Star Colosseum, where Bandana Dee plunges from the sky and delivers a maximum-power Megaton Punch directly onto them, launching them through Pop Star as it is cracked in half during a quick cinematic before returning to the fight. (50%, spike)

Alternate Colors
1) Regular Outfit
2) Star Allies P2 Skin
3) Star Allies P3 Skin
4) Star Allies P4 Skin
5) Waddle Doo colors (deep red skin and a black face with a white outline and white eyes, black bandana)
6) Kirby colors (pink skin and pink face with red feet and blue eyes, red bandana)
7) Cleaning Dee (bandana pattern becomes Cleaning Kirby's hat, body color becomes tangerine, with green feet and cyan eyes)
8) Sailor Waddle Dee (simple hat change to reference another character)

That should be about everything. I really love the little guy, and while he's not my ABSOLUTE first pick to get in, he's one I debate about most often with others (both about getting in the game and what options he has for a moveset), so he's probably the character I've put the most thought into by far.
 

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6) Kirby colors (pink skin and pink face with red feet and blue eyes, red bandana)
I feel as if that this is to similar to Kirby and telling them apart is to difficult,maybe make it just so the pale part of the face is pink and the rest is the same besides feet and bandana (maybe a bandana referencing parasol with the parasol pattern and also a blue umbrella for bandana dees bandana)
 

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Gotta agree with you there. As far as I'm aware, the only Kirby Assist Trophies are Knuckle Joe and Nightmare right? (And the only thing Nightmare does is makes the screen pitch black... not super interesting). I think any of the Dream Friends would be much more interesting Assists, especially Adeleine, who would be a pretty simple Assist. I could picture that she could send out her painting minions and is usually behind her canvas, but if you get enough damage in while she's painting, she'll fly off the screen like she does when she's hit in 64.

Though that's got me thinking about what would happen if Bandana Dee ends up an Assist... it would be better than nothing compared to what Smash 4 gave him (which was zilch), but super disappointing nonetheless. Plus, then there's going to be a bunch of people saying stuff like "See? He was just a Goomba with a hat that wasn't interesting enough to be playable!" since y'know, you have stuff like Chain Chomps and Hammer Bros. as Assists. There's just something about being an Assist that makes a character an easy target for jokes it seems. Ah well, no use worrying about that at this point I guess.
Agree with you 100%. I really want him but what scares me is that he didn't appear even as a trophy in smash 4..
 

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I think the fact that we haven't seen Fountain of Dreams yet is a little suspicious. It is one of the most wanted stages to return if not THE most wanted stage to return. There's no way it's not gonna be the game.

I think it's very possible they could be waiting to show it off in a certain Waddle Dee's reveal trailer.

Now time for the tinfoil hats. That picture of the gang at the Fountain of Dreams that was included in the latest update to Star Allies is really random. So far every picture that is included in an update that we have seen has involved the new Dream Friends, but that one doesn't. Could it be foreshadowing perhaps?

I'm looking waaaayyyy to deep into this.
 

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Bandana dee would be my main,wonder if Sakurai would make him high or low teir (I think teir lists aren’t as important as personal skill with the characters but eh)
 

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Bandana dee would be my main,wonder if Sakurai would make him high or low teir (I think teir lists aren’t as important as personal skill with the characters but eh)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure tier list are based off how much certain characters are used to win at high level tournaments, but IMO someone who is extremely good at using a "low-tier" character, is just as good as someone who's good at a "high-tier" character.
 

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Bandana Dee will always be BESTBOI-TIER. Any ways does anyone think that there will be a direct this month? or are we going to have a dry streak? either way this month is my vacation is going to be full of surprises. I just really want new info on characters soon.
 

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I think the fact that we haven't seen Fountain of Dreams yet is a little suspicious. It is one of the most wanted stages to return if not THE most wanted stage to return. There's no way it's not gonna be the game.

I think it's very possible they could be waiting to show it off in a certain Waddle Dee's reveal trailer.

Now time for the tinfoil hats. That picture of the gang at the Fountain of Dreams that was included in the latest update to Star Allies is really random. So far every picture that is included in an update that we have seen has involved the new Dream Friends, but that one doesn't. Could it be foreshadowing perhaps?

I'm looking waaaayyyy to deep into this.
Can you send/post a link of that picture of FoD? I can't find it
 

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I think people are looking too much into this. I think the picture is just them giving the original dream friends their own picture. Similar to how the original update added some extra stuff for them.
 

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Hey, I'm new here! I think that Bandana Dee would be a great addition to Ultimate! I mean, his moves from Star Allies could smoothly fit into the Smash games, and he's such a popular and de(e)serving character! His reveal along with the Fountain of Dreams would be like a dream (no pun intended) come true!
 

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Funny how the one character leaks tend to be against is the character with the most evidence to being playable.
 
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Funny how the one character leaks tend to be against is the character with the most evidence to being playable.
Sadly, Bandana Dee does have a bit of a hatedom (Because *grumble grumble* GOOMBA WITH A HAT), so I can see why that is. I suppose every character has a base against them. Ridley had an infamous one because TOO BIG. K. Rool because NOT RELEVANT AND UGLY. Geno because ONLY IN ONE GAME NO ONE CARES, and so on. It's a shame when people out there make jokes about how "stupid" some people are for wanting a character though. I've seen a few aimed towards Bandana Dee fans myself.

Quite frankly though, I'm tired of these fake leaks trying to act like they have some inside scoop and get some attention and cause a stir. Smash Ultimate is a hot topic right now, so I can see why, but it's irritating nonetheless.
 
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Funny how the one character leaks tend to be against is the character with the most evidence to being playable.
I've noticed that. I feel like a lot of people tend overlook this character when making those leaks, showing a complete lack of research.
 

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Sadly, Bandana Dee does have a bit of a hatedom (Because *grumble grumble* GOOMBA WITH A HAT), so I can see why that is. I suppose every character has a base against them. Ridley had an infamous one because TOO BIG. K. Rool because NOT RELEVANT AND UGLY. Geno because ONLY IN ONE GAME NO ONE CARES, and so on. It's a shame when people out there make jokes about how stupid some people are for wanting a character though. I've seen a few aimed towards Bandana Dee fans myself.

Quite frankly though, I'm tired of these fake leaks trying to act like they have some inside scoop and get some attention and cause a stir. Smash Ultimate is a hot topic right now, so I can see why, but it's irritating nonetheless.
Leak representation is really skewed now anyways since everyone's piggybacking off Vergeben by including Simon and Isabelle. They're probably both even going to dethrone K. Rool as most common soon enough, so I don't take Dee's absence personally. Besides, there's no way any of these "leakers" currently have potential leads aside from maybe Vergeben and Loz18, so it doesn't matter who they include or exclude.
 
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So word on the street is DasVergeben posted not too trust any leaks that don't have Simon Belmont and Isabelle in them,

Ngamethecube gets excited about stuff found out from his Twitter doubt he believes half the leaks. But he's a cool dude and just as excited about the games as us so shout out to the cool gamer and good taste in music lover NGamethecube. Give him Animal Crossing Switch Nintendo pretty please?

I'd be welcoming of both Simon Belmont and Isabelle, I'm 50/50 on DasVergeben and his sources but he's the most reliable source so far so I trust him somewhat Glad he said what said about fake leaks. There laughable at best.

Hoping Bandana Dee pops up soon, but I'm just enjoying the updates and Octopath Traveler, till then and beyond.
 
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