BaganSmashBros and ko.'s Kustom Kontent - King K. Rool, Kraid and...Metal Face?!

[BaganSmashBros]

Hey Bagan, how did were you able to use Mario's Final Smash stuff for Ridley?

Fake projectiles. I used that FS's GFX, changed it a bit and then added extra GFX following its hitbox so it would look better.
Also, shouldn't that be in Ridley thread?

As for K. Rool: alot, and probably a crap ton more if for some reason he doesn't get into Smash 4 after Dec. 15.

Then i'd better hurry in case it will happen.

 

[Rage83]

Fake projectiles. I used that FS's GFX, changed it a bit and then added extra GFX following its hitbox so it would look better.
Also, shouldn't that be in Ridley thread?

Admittedly, yeah, it should've been there. I might be taking this as more of a general "PSAs by Bagan" thread than I should be.

 

[JayJay55]

And its done:
Would have uploaded it to Youtube if it worked for me, but its blocked for this country again. For some reasons, audio is delayed even though it was fine in original video...thanks, Dailymotion. I missed few times, but whaddya gonna do.
If there will be video of higher quality, i doubt this one will remain.

That was absolutely smashing. That was so gorgeous, I love Metal Face's move-set, I can't wait to try it out. Although, I'd have to agree with Draco, the most glaring problem seems to be the Plasma ball. Although that could be just us.

 

[Kamineigh]

I thought I'd drop in and mention that the sounds are taking a bit longer than I thought. I just found high quality versions of the DKC episodes on YouTube, and they're even in the proper order!

I've also been doing some art for the Reality 64 mod, so that's been eating at my time as well.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

That was absolutely smashing. That was so gorgeous, I love Metal Face's move-set, I can't wait to try it out. Although, I'd have to agree with Draco, the most glaring problem seems to be the Plasma ball. Although that could be just us.

We'll see when people will be able to use this mod. I haven't seen any reports on it from beta testers.

I thought I'd drop in and mention that the sounds are taking a bit longer than I thought. I just found high quality versions of the DKC episodes on YouTube, and they're even in the proper order!

I've also been doing some art for the Reality 64 mod, so that's been eating at my time as well.

Good to know and i'll check that R64 thing.

 

[Kamineigh]

Yeah, R64 is pretty neat. The character models are being made from scratch to match the art style used on Smash 64's box art and in its instruction booklet. However, since most of Brawl's cast lacks character art in that style, I took it upon myself to create art in that style that could be used for the characters that don't have art yet.

Right now I'm working on Ganondorf, who's appearance is being based primarily on concept art for the Oracle games, since that's already close to 64's art style.

 

[Kazooie56]

btw whats metal faces up b

 

[BaganSmashBros]

btw whats metal faces up b

You can make him move left or right (like with Charizard's Up B...i think), but he won't go very far and it usually fails to properly hit unless he moves straight up.
And if its hard to see what he is doing here, he goes into his jet mode, moves up while spinning and then goes back into normal form.

 

[latinking]

I can't access youtube, so, if its anything that has any kind of background noice that i can't remove (R.I.P "Weak, weak and pathetic" line from Xenoblade), then i won't be able to use it. If its from a game and it can be ripped, then i could use it.

The video with DK64 sound clips you posted earlier has all the ones I had suggested to use for Star KOs, specifically the higher pitched screams between 0:10 and 0:12. When K. Rool is launched out of K. Lumsy's cavern, you can hear the former use all 3 high pitched screams one after the other.

And it may just be me, but all the other voice clips in that same video you posted (DK64 K.Rool) don't sound as deep as when they're heard in-game. If you can make them just a tiny bit deeper, they'd be perfect to use for your mod (along with the K. Rool clips from other games after lowering their pitch). Or you can use them as they are, and they'll still sound pretty good.

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K. Rool might be too slow in this mod (even when running), but can't do much without looking ridiculous with those small legs.

Is it possible to make K. Rool's running animation identical to his DKC 1 animation?

those animations are exactly the same. The difference is gfx and sfx. K Rool would look weird reaching for his crown and throwing it one costume, and then reaching for his crown and throwing a boxing glove for the next IMO. But if you can pull it off, i'd be awed and not opposed to it at all.

If K.Rool gets the SNES alternate costumes, the Crown throw can be easily replaced with the Kaptain's Pirate hat and Baron K.Roolenstein's toupée being thrown. The Boxing costume is the most problematic one though.
For those who are not aware, Baron K.Roolenstein not only wears a toupée, but also an upper fake cranium. Thus, his scientist costume's ''Crown throw'' would be throwing the headlight and everything above it.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

The video with DK64 sound clips you posted earlier has all the ones I had suggested to use for Star KOs, specifically the higher pitched screams between 0:10 and 0:12. When K. Rool is launched out of K. Lumsy's cavern, you can hear the former use all 3 high pitched screams one after the other.

And it may just be me, but all the other voice clips in that same video you posted (DK64 K.Rool) don't sound as deep as when they're heard in-game. If you can make them just a tiny bit deeper, they'd be perfect to use for your mod (along with the K. Rool clips from other games after lowering their pitch). Or you can use them as they are, and they'll still sound pretty good.

That could work i guess.

Is it possible to make K. Rool's running animation identical to his DKC 1 animation?

Identical? No. It looks kinda stiff and i don't think it was made with 3d enviroment in mind. But i could make something similar.

If K.Rool gets the SNES alternate costumes, the Crown throw can be easily replaced with the Kaptain's Pirate hat and Baron K.Roolenstein's toupée being thrown. The Boxing costume is the most problematic one though.
For those who are not aware, Baron K.Roolenstein not only wears a toupée, but also an upper fake cranium. Thus, his scientist costume's ''Crown throw'' would be throwing the headlight and everything above it.

Boxing costume could use his glove for that and while there is no boxing glove, his normal fully rigged hand could be visible.

 

[GerbilCrab475]

Well Bagan, you called it. K. Rool was shafted for Smash 4 DLC. You are the hero to many of us. Because of you, our dream characters are becoming a reality. Your mods have me more hyped than anything Smash 4 gave us. I couldn't be more thankful.

So thanks.

 

[latinking]

Identical? No. It looks kinda stiff and i don't think it was made with 3d enviroment in mind. But i could make something similar.

Cool. The reason I brought it up is because the picture you posted of K. Rool running after Metal Face seemed... abit off I suppose? I guess what put me off was the wide swing of his arms (which stretches his chest awkwardly), thus I think his running animation should keep his arms closer to his body (as in, they'd swing a lot less).

I may have found a victory theme for your mod BaganSmashBros, but it's on youtube. Is there anyway I could get around this, seeing as how you have trouble with that site?

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Well Bagan, you called it. K. Rool was shafted for Smash 4 DLC. You are the hero to many of us. Because of you, our dream characters are becoming a reality. Your mods have me more hyped than anything Smash 4 gave us. I couldn't be more thankful.

So thanks.

Not sure how to feel about it though. Thanks anyway.

Cool. The reason I brought it up is because the picture you posted of K. Rool running after Metal Face seemed... abit off I suppose? I guess what put me off was the wide swing of his arms (which stretches his chest awkwardly), thus I think his running animation should keep his arms closer to his body (as in, they'd swing a lot less).

I may have found a victory theme for your mod BaganSmashBros, but it's on youtube. Is there anyway I could get around this, seeing as how you have trouble with that site?

Yeah, it does looks weird after thining about it. He puts so much effort while not going far forward.

I can download videos from youtube. It takes a while (1 hour for 20 minutes), but im fine with that.

 

[Kamineigh]

Perhaps he could use a tail as well? Not a long one that would require rerigging him, mind you. But just a short, stubby tail, like the ones on his minions.

While reading about K. Rool, I learned that he's got a short tail that wasn't included in his GameCube appearances.

My notes are coming along well, but not many grunts that aren't drowned out by the bgm. You might have to use some of the sounds in one of the videos you posted to get some hurt sounds.

 

[drogoth232]

Well Bagan, you called it. K. Rool was shafted for Smash 4 DLC. You are the hero to many of us. Because of you, our dream characters are becoming a reality. Your mods have me more hyped than anything Smash 4 gave us. I couldn't be more thankful.

So thanks.

lol

 

[MazeDIs]

The video with DK64 sound clips you posted earlier has all the ones I had suggested to use for Star KOs, specifically the higher pitched screams between 0:10 and 0:12. When K. Rool is launched out of K. Lumsy's cavern, you can hear the former use all 3 high pitched screams one after the other.

And it may just be me, but all the other voice clips in that same video you posted (DK64 K.Rool) don't sound as deep as when they're heard in-game. If you can make them just a tiny bit deeper, they'd be perfect to use for your mod (along with the K. Rool clips from other games after lowering their pitch). Or you can use them as they are, and they'll still sound pretty good.

Is it possible to make K. Rool's running animation identical to his DKC 1 animation?

If K.Rool gets the SNES alternate costumes, the Crown throw can be easily replaced with the Kaptain's Pirate hat and Baron K.Roolenstein's toupée being thrown. The Boxing costume is the most problematic one though.
For those who are not aware, Baron K.Roolenstein not only wears a toupée, but also an upper fake cranium. Thus, his scientist costume's ''Crown throw'' would be throwing the headlight and everything above it.

That's actually clever. But Bagan already said different animations on costumes are possible.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

BTW, check this out: http://smashboards.com/threads/kingjigglypuffs-project-m-throne-room.393855/page-17#post-20601922 I might be harming myself this way, but im doing my own thing and they are doing their own thing.

Perhaps he could use a tail as well? Not a long one that would require rerigging him, mind you. But just a short, stubby tail, like the ones on his minions.

While reading about K. Rool, I learned that he's got a short tail that wasn't included in his GameCube appearances.

My notes are coming along well, but not many grunts that aren't drowned out by the bgm. You might have to use some of the sounds in one of the videos you posted to get some hurt sounds.

If we will add a tail, it must be longer than that. We'd have to make his cape shorter anyway, so, why not make it accurate? And we could make that tail separate from his body's polygon. This would require more realistic tail for him, but he already has those fingers, so, won't hurt to have realistic crocodile tail.

Didn't know about it. Huh.

I expected that to be a problem. Oh well.

 

[PseudoTypical]

If turns out that MK64 and the team are really far along with K Rool, do you think you'd drop the project? It seems like they've been waiting on this a while, and your K Rool is pretty new. (I think the model should definitely be transferred, though)

 

[Kamineigh]

Well I brought it up because in the cartoon, his tail is also absent for some reason, so he has this weird scaly ass that looks out of place on a crocodile.

Hmm. If you do go for a more realistic croc tail, then I could see him having some powerful tail slaps for some attacks. Maybe even the ability to swim faster and for longer than other characters, giving him a mobility advantage on stages with water.

What kind of tail length do you mean by 'longer than that'? Charizard length?

 

[latinking]

I can download videos from youtube. It takes a while (1 hour for 20 minutes), but im fine with that.

Nice.

Are you familiar with the song ''K. Rool's Finest Hour'' that played in an episode from the TV show (arguably the only thing worth remembering in the show)? Someone edited out the sound effects and corny lyrics, and left just the instrumental. I'm thinking the part between 0:00 and 0:10 would fit nicely as K. Rool's victory theme. This part is heard again between 0:28 & 0:39, and twice more from 0:57 to 1:17.
Except for the first one, they all have chorus/chanting in the background. Everything else you hear in the video is just awkward lol.

Here's the video, with the URL below it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3f-JRRMWw

 

[BaganSmashBros]

If turns out that MK64 and the team are really far along with K Rool, do you think you'd drop the project? It seems like they've been waiting on this a while, and your K Rool is pretty new. (I think the model should definitely be transferred, though)

No. What im doing is not what they are doing. From what i remember, their mod is for Brawl and my mod is for PM. I didn't drop Ridley because he is in SSB Crusade and he is "official" here.

Well I brought it up because in the cartoon, his tail is also absent for some reason, so he has this weird scaly *** that looks out of place on a crocodile.

Hmm. If you do go for a more realistic croc tail, then I could see him having some powerful tail slaps for some attacks. Maybe even the ability to swim faster and for longer than other characters, giving him a mobility advantage on stages with water.

What kind of tail length do you mean by 'longer than that'? Charizard length?

...um...this model isn't much better with it. In fact, its worse because...well, there's too much of it.

That would work if it would be long, but how long it is depends on how long it was in DKC.

Maybe. Most likely not.

Nice.

Are you familiar with the song ''K. Rool's Finest Hour'' that played in an episode from the TV show (arguably the only thing worth remembering in the show)? Someone edited out the sound effects and corny lyrics, and left just the instrumental. I'm thinking the part between 0:00 and 0:10 would fit nicely as K. Rool's victory theme. This part is heard again between 0:28 & 0:39, and twice more from 0:57 to 1:17.
Except for the first one, they all have chorus/chanting in the background. Everything else you hear in the video is just awkward lol.

Here's the video, with the URL below it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg3f-JRRMWw

Will check this out later. Gotta go.

 

[Kamineigh]

Well in DKC, it's a stubby little thing, like the ones his minions have, which is why I initially suggested he have an unrigged, immobile tail, since it wouldn't be long enough for it to have any noticeable movements.

 

[latinking]

Well in DKC, it's a stubby little thing, like the ones his minions have, which is why I initially suggested he have an unrigged, immobile tail, since it wouldn't be long enough for it to have any noticeable movements.

If there was only 1 thing I could change in the model, is to remove the claws on his hands.
I personally prefer his SNES designs where his hands were basic, because they make me think he pummels his enemies with brute strength, but when evil claws are added, that means he'll likely scratch and slash at them, something that doesn't fit K. Rool.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Ok, got 2-3 more minutes.

Well in DKC, it's a stubby little thing, like the ones his minions have, which is why I initially suggested he have an unrigged, immobile tail, since it wouldn't be long enough for it to have any noticeable movements.

Its actually pretty long.

If there was only 1 thing I could change in the model, is to remove the claws on his hands.
I personally prefer his SNES designs where his hands were basic, because they make me think he pummels his enemies with brute strength, but when evil claws are added, that means he'll likely scratch and slash at them, something that doesn't fit K. Rool.

Reptiles without claws look weird. And he can do both (slash and punch). I know enough characters with claws that still use punches (for example, Godzilla and Bowser).

 

[Kamineigh]

Huh. Well, you could always steal Bowser's tai

 

[SuperSmashSean]

The video was great Bagan, it was quite smashing.
I'll leave.

I'll be testing out Metal Face more often if it helps, and will see if the plasma ball needs to be nerfed. Honestly, it doesn't seem that bad.

Also, do you have any progress on K. Rool to show us as of now?

 

[BaganSmashBros]

The video was great Bagan, it was quite smashing.
I'll leave.

I'll be testing out Metal Face more often if it helps, and will see if the plasma ball needs to be nerfed. Honestly, it doesn't seem that bad.

Also, do you have any progress on K. Rool to show us as of now?

Nothing thats worth showing at least. But i have something worth discussing.

Right now, he is slow. Like Sonic Genesis kind of slow...at least when moving on the ground. If he dashes and jumps, he goes very far forward (more than half of FD). If you keep jumping withoud dashing, he loses momentum and his jumps get shorter (horizontally at least). Should this be left as it is or not? This could be useful and could reference his stomp attack in DKC1.

 

[Kazooie56]

i say keep it

 

[SuperSmashSean]

Nothing thats worth showing at least. But i have something worth discussing.

Right now, he is slow. Like Sonic Genesis kind of slow...at least when moving on the ground. If he dashes and jumps, he goes very far forward (more than half of FD). If you keep jumping withoud dashing, he loses momentum and his jumps get shorter (horizontally at least). Should this be left as it is or not? This could be useful and could reference his stomp attack in DKC1.

Keep it. You should show pictures of the height and distance each type of jump goes, just to give us some reference.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

You should show pictures of the height and distance each type of jump goes, just to give us some reference.

Good idea. Will be done within 10 minutes.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Ok, its not more than half of FD and jumps don't get that much shorter, but i've got a bad memory. Its still pretty far and first jump is longer. Probably can be fixed, but maybe its fine as it is.

 

[SuperSmashSean]

Ok, its not more than half of FD and jumps don't get that much shorter, but i've got a bad memory. Its still pretty far and first jump is longer. Probably can be fixed, but maybe its fine as it is.
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Yeah just keep it, it is fine as it is.

@latinkling mentioned how you could use part of Finest Hour for a victory theme, which would be a nice reference, but do you have any ideas for some?

I have a few suggestions, you could use

1. Finest Hour (the one above)
2. Bonus Lose from the original DKC (as the kongs have bonus win) http://www.smashcustommusic.com/2640 or even edit the beginning of the tropical freeze one if you want.
3. A section from Gangplank Galleon.

I would included as many as possible so players have many options and are not limited. We could run a strawpoll to see which one people want out of a list and take the top few.

 

[drogoth232]

From what i remember, their mod is for Brawl and my mod is for PM.

It's for both PM and Brawl.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

Yeah just keep it, it is fine as it is.

@latinkling mentioned how you could use part of Finest Hour for a victory theme, which would be a nice reference, but do you have any ideas for some?

I have a few suggestions, you could use

1. Finest Hour (the one above)
2. Bonus Lose from the original DKC (as the kongs have bonus win) http://www.smashcustommusic.com/2640 or even edit the beginning of the tropical freeze one if you want.
3. A section from Gangplank Galleon.

I would included as many as possible so players have many options and are not limited. We could run a strawpoll to see which one people want out of a list and take the top few.

I'd like to include at least 2 (probably 1 and 3), but im not good at making those and MF's victory fanfare is example of that.

It's for both PM and Brawl.

Then i've got outdated information.

 

[SuperSmashSean]

I'd like to include at least 2 (probably 1 and 3), but im not good at making those and MF's victory fanfare is example of that.

Then i've got outdated information.

I can try to edit the Tropical Freeze ones and the Finest Hours ones for you so they work, and make them .wavs. I dont know if I will be able to make them sawnds right now.

 

[BaganSmashBros]

I can try to edit the Tropical Freeze ones and the Finest Hours ones for you so they work, and make them .wavs. I dont know if I will be able to make them sawnds right now.

Wavs is exactly what we need. Sawnds wouldn't work when BRSTMs are needed.

 

[SuperSmashSean]

Wavs is exactly what we need. Sawnds wouldn't work when BRSTMs are needed.

I have one done (Tropical Freeze), and I will do the others tomorrow. Are there other ones you want me to do?

 

[Zombie Saurian]

I don't think K. Rool should be super slow, he's actually a pretty athletic character and usually fast.

 

[GerbilCrab475]

I don't think K. Rool should be super slow, he's actually a pretty athletic character and usually fast.

His walk should be slow like in DK64. His run should resemble his speed in DKC1.

 

[latinking]

His walk should be slow like in DK64. His run should resemble his speed in DKC1.

Earlier on this thread, i had suggested Bagan to give K. Rool a special move (Down B) in which he charges up an invisible bar that would allow him to increase his movement speed or his next attack's animation speed, similar to how Project M Lucas can change the properties of his attacks with Neutral B i think.

But Bagan confirmed that programming moves that buff up speed is impossible.