Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[Kantrip]

More mindgames.

L-2 apparently.

 

[th3kuzinator]

5 to lynch Kantrip.

 

[PeopleFacePunch]

Actually **** that guy I'm the new co mod.

I actually have a different name so it looks different. Yeah.

Man I really need to go to bed.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I would have probably pushed your modkill had I thought you were scum. Good thing you're town, right?

LOL. Yes, I am town and frustrated at myself (/cut). This weekend wasn't nearly productive as I wanted it to be wrt what I had planned. I am not so sure on Asdioh/Kantrip town reads which I wanted to talk about tonight, but it's hard to explain how I feel and I am having difficulty distinguishing good/bad play from town/scum reads. I do not know why you suspect only two scum and I do not think that mafia & possible third party conveniently lie within the current inactive/suspect slots: Armor, Ryker-Red Ryu, Fragmental, and Gova-Felipe.

Acrostic do you have a read on FM yet?

FM is null to me. I'm having trouble trying to see the intent behind a lot of his/her actions.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah someone should like answer Acrostic's questions and stuff

I got a town read on Asdioh just for his scumhunting being really sincere, and I've observed nothing so far to question the townread I got on him D1

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Heading to bed. Please don't end the day early with a hammer. If some douche does do it, then I still maintain a slight town read on Armor and also Kantrip/Kooz not being scum mates.

 

[Kantrip]

Ooh you're right, I was reading 11. Forgot missing numbers get taken out directly.

Derp.

 

[Kantrip]

That was at kuzi, btw

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Kantrip I believe you said that you felt RF|Soupa interaction was scum versus town. From what I observed you went from initially having Soupa as town and then changing it as a scum read after Ryker's daycop gambit. I would have expected you to push on RF/Red Ryu today, but you instead chose to focus on Armor and Fragmental. Can you explain why your thought process changed?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I believe that either Radical Fiction or Soupa are scum. The conversation on this page just looks SvT to me, though I'm having trouble deciphering which is which. I'll await Soup's answers as well, though I'm thinking that he's scum over RF. I haven't seen enough from RF (especially IN hyrda) to cement anything about my reads.

Found it. The only things missing now are a complete set of reads from me, Red Ryu admitting that he is mafia, and a better defense from Fragmental.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Finished reading, saw Kuz's case, looked pretty good. I had a townish read on FM for some reason, looks like it's time to reread him/her.
(TTK was female, FM is male?)

So let me get this straight. You put Fragmental on your listie thing as being above July, Gova, Armor, and Ryker. I ask repeatedly for this read to be substantiated, but I get no response. th3kuzinator makes his case (which I will get into later) and now you're reconsidering without having sufficient points to have backed up an initial town read on the slot. Did Kooz really hit the jackpot with his analysis on Fragmental or is your list so tentative that you would jump four scum reads to lynch someone you have as possible town in lieu of someone having that person as scum. Perhaps your list is supposed to indicate that you're willing to lynch anyone Kooz, Fynal, and Kantrip? Because coincidentally those are also the hardest pushes to make in this game so far. These lists are so obnoxiously stupid.

 

[Asdioh]

By the way, I'm going to commit my vote to Red Ryu. I believe we can derive the most from such a flip. I still don't understand the merits of the gambit performed and overall, I'm pretty sure discussion has been diverted there the majority of the time until now.

Vote: Red Ryu

Kuz already pointed this out:

his vote on ryu is weird. i dont even know if he thinks ryu is scum, he just thinks that flip will yield the most connections. heck i dont even know if he thinks anyone is scum. just wants to bandwagon the next closest lynch target save himself.

But seriously does FM have any actual scumpicks or is he just trying to save himself, like Ryker did?

So let me get this straight. You put Fragmental on your listie thing as being above July, Gova, Armor, and Ryker. I ask repeatedly for this read to be substantiated, but I get no response. th3kuzinator makes his case (which I will get into later) and now you're reconsidering without having sufficient points to have backed up an initial town read on the slot. Did Kooz really hit the jackpot with his analysis on Fragmental or is your list so tentative that you would jump four scum reads to lynch someone you have as possible town in lieu of someone having that person as scum. Perhaps your list is supposed to indicate that you're willing to lynch anyone Kooz, Fynal, and Kantrip? Because coincidentally those are also the hardest pushes to make in this game so far. These lists are so obnoxiously stupid.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13442541&postcount=894

I had him listed in the nullier section of townreads. Do you see my vote on him?

 

[Asdioh]

Vote Count

1. Ryker (1) - July
2. th3kuzinator (1) - MOD
3. Fynal
4. July (1) -Gova
5. J
6. thethirdkoopa (6) - J, th3kuzinator, Kantrip, Ryker, Armor, Fynal
7. Kantrip
8. FragMental
9. Gova (1) - Asdioh
10. Armor
11. Asdioh

Not Voting: FragMental, thethirdkoopa

A lynch has been reached!

FM wasn't on the TTK lynch, though looking at activity, he wasn't even here to be given the chance to join the wagon, or defend TTK.

Did anyone accuse FM of not stopping the TTK wagon? I thought I saw that, but I don't remember where. All I know is that it seems FM wasn't even here to do that :/

Rereading FM and Kuz's case, not sure if scum or just

Yup. I'm a wishy-washy kind of player.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I had him listed in the nullier section of townreads. Do you see my vote on him?

Just to get this straight. You have town reads on Kooz, Fynal, and Kantrip. The rest could go hang if push comes to shove. I just want to establish this because the impression I get when you or anyone makes a list, is that that you went out of your way to form complete reads on every single player in the list and then put that in a comprehensive context. I'm getting the impression though that this is just a surface impressions list. Like the list could be synonymous with, "Players I Wouldn't Mind Losing To" or "Players With the Most Relevant Activity" because I find the individual justification to be lacking.

 

[Asdioh]

Immediate thoughts on alignments:

As in, "off the top of my head." You don't need to take it as the end all be all. Yes, this is what my reads are in general, but if that was absolutely concrete and I didn't change them whenever something happens or someone makes a case, then I would be dumb or scum, wouldn't I?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

As in, "off the top of my head." You don't need to take it as the end all be all. Yes, this is what my reads are in general, but if that was absolutely concrete and I didn't change them whenever something happens or someone makes a case, then I would be dumb or scum, wouldn't I?

It's one thing to be obstinate and have concrete reads. It's another thing to ignore a read request twice, react on a bandwagon push, and then express a tone of pliability when you put four players beneath that slot. I'm not saying you should have static reads but I am aghast that you would consider skipping four players you have at the bottom of your list in order to make a lynch happen today. If people do something like make a list, then I feel that it is appropriate for me to assume the list has some weight. Not just, "Hey I'll consider skipping the entire bottom half of my reads to go for someone up top. Sounds groovy." I know your stance with regards to your own list now, so I'll drop it. But I'm slightly wary of how much trust I can put in your reads, not that anyone has been significantly pushing except for Fynal/Kooz.

It's pretty funny how people are treating the TTK lynch as some freak mistake. Just looking at the Fragmental bandwagon it clearly is not. We spent today considering Armor/Red Ryu. Kooz suggests Fragmental as a scum pick and now we have massive sheeping. Idek.

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip I believe you said that you felt RF|Soupa interaction was scum versus town. From what I observed you went from initially having Soupa as town and then changing it as a scum read after Ryker's daycop gambit. I would have expected you to push on RF/Red Ryu today, but you instead chose to focus on Armor and Fragmental. Can you explain why your thought process changed?

Yeah when I first saw that conversation (it was swiss vs soup btw), I thought that it looked like SvT. I went back and forth on which one of them I thought was scummy until I realized Swiss is like that normally and it could've been TvT. Swiss had already dropped out so no follow-ups were possible, so the whole thing was null.

 

[Asdioh]

Which is why I would still rather lynch Armor or RR.
The way Armor and FM voted for RR are making me second guess, though.

 

[Kantrip]

Thing is, armor and rr are likely not a scumteam. That means one of them is town and one is scum. 50/50

So we go into speculating: who is the potential scummate?

I think that FM is more than 50% chance.



Also, I'm intrigued as well. Why did people get a town read on me, asdioh, and fm?

 

[Kantrip]

If none of those 3 are scum, I will be very impressed with whoever is.

Can FM roleclaim yet?

 

[Asdioh]

FM claimed VT.

I am obvtown because I always am except for D.gray man but yeah.

That, or someone (such as Kuz) is scum and plans to keep me to lylo so I can fail at the end of a game again.

 

[Kantrip]

Oh yeah, whoops. Totally forgot.

 

[Kantrip]

This would be so much easier if we had a cop confirm on anything.

Is a massclaim warranted?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Yeah when I first saw that conversation (it was swiss vs soup btw), I thought that it looked like SvT. I went back and forth on which one of them I thought was scummy until I realized Swiss is like that normally and it could've been TvT. Swiss had already dropped out so no follow-ups were possible, so the whole thing was null.

That's convenient. Do you remember coming to this conclusion during D1. And if you did, could you reference the post if you managed to type it. Just got around to re-reading Frag's response to my push. It's pretty hard to get anything from that. Not sure if I want to carry Fragmental either with me trying to lug around Armor. And I feel a lot better about Armor then I do about Frag. Still have my mind on Red Ryu. I am aware that if I don't start my push though, a lynch will not be likely. askdfjklasjdlkasdklfjl

 

[Kantrip]

I believe I came to that conclusion d1, I'll look for the post.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

We have three claims. And two flavor claims.

Armor implied he was VT and did not post flavor.
Red Ryu claimed VT with flavor.
Fragmental claimed VT with flavor.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait, they all claimed? And VT, at that?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Armor said he was okay with being lynched. It's obvious that he's not a PR from that statement alone. The other two claims were direct.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm getting lost with replaces. Felipe replaced Gova, right? Gova claimed VT, as well.

How many VT's are in this game, lol?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

We have three claims. And two flavor claims.

Armor implied he was VT and did not post flavor.
Red Ryu claimed VT with flavor.
Fragmental claimed VT with flavor.

Kantrip is right. Gova also claimed VT with flavor.

Is a massclaim warranted?

No. From my experience town is given two mislynches before we enter lylo. It is more convenient to mass claim tomorrow rather than today. Heading back to work. Will post more later.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright. Also, found the post you wanted: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13392509&postcount=539

This was in D1.

 

[felipe_9595]

lol thanks gova for claiming .-.

I am still pretty lost guys, i am still on page 35-40

 

[Kantrip]

felipe, he had a wagon get to L-1 on him and was asked for a claim. I'd like to see some reads and stances from you, felipe.

Also waiting on Red Ryu to come in here and Acrostic's promised reads.

 

[felipe_9595]

well, am still reading d1 and my fos was soupamario XDDDDDD ( i havent reached the part where TTK was lynched)

 

[Asdioh]

gotta go to work. massclaiming is never a good idea d2.
who here legitimately believes FM is scum?

 

[th3kuzinator]

I do.

I'm still waiting for Acrostic's diagnosis of my points against FM since he has implied that it isn't very strong/convincing. Curious at to what he has to say. I like, though I think he's barking up the wrong tree, his pressure on Asdioh/Kantrip. As he himself said attacking those players is somewhat difficult because the majority of town views them to be obvtown and I don't think he would have needed to even put himself out there like he did (if he was scum) if he had three other viable lynch targets on a silver platter.

I'm still, obviously, on board with the FM lynch.

Asdioh if you had to choose between RR and Armor to lynch (assuming you didn't agree with FM) who would you pick?

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah, I have a pretty strong townread on Acrostic at this point.



I have a better idea, Kuz. How about we daykill one and lynch the other?

I'm that half-wave you do when you see someone you don't know waving in your general direction, only to find out seconds later that they really AREN'T waving at you, Town Dayvig. I can only shoot once, but it doesn't end the day phase regardless of flip. I'm going to shoot RR because, no offense RR, but Ryker's slot should NOT be alive at this point. If you somehow flip town, I strongly suggest we lynch Armor. If you flip scum, then we'll see from there.

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Shoot: Red Ryu

 

[Kantrip]

Whoa, nice!

I wasn't expecting that, haha.

I like this idea, too. No gambling: on a scum flip we hit scum, on a town flip we still have our lynch and can go after Armor!

 

[th3kuzinator]

But I want FM dead D:

Interesting timing. Let's see where this leads us.

 

[Kantrip]

kuzi, we can still lynch FM.

If RR flips scum, wouldn't you agree that FM is the obvious choice?