@Simmons It starts at 0% on spacies, but you have to have really good timing to get it before 20%. As in, you have to time your run to be immideately after your upthrow lag ends and space/time your jc grab really well to get it before 20%. If you have 20xx, you can set fox/falco's percentage to stay at 10%(cause upthrow does 10%) and repeatedly chain grab them. It's still by no means a guaranteed 0-to-death, because they can just DI off stage and take their chances. Not many people will do that though, the only person I've ever played that was smart enough to do that was Colbol.