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[Gardex]

We can get away with well-spaced moves on shield against most characters.

But the second anything at all hits Marth's shield, it's an up b to the face.

Worst offender of this is Goldenike. That guy knew the MU so well, and dolphin slashed me the same frame I hit his shield.

 

[-LzR-]

Well at least his upB is a pretty ****ty punish so it's not that big deal. Better than getting tippered in the face.

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

He doesn't need to just outright tipper your face. That's what Grab Release >Fair is for lol.

This MU is kinda gay, normal tactics get ***** by Marth <_<

 

[Gardex]

Grab release > uair is worse(although harder to pull off)

Kills a bit too early for my liking

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

Oh right, I forget that's a thing. I never see Marth's do it. It's not even THAT hard to do lol.

 

[Alphicans]

btw http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=329583

 

[-LzR-]

Yes, aren't you supposed to do something about the thread?

And because you have to play so differently against Marth is why people always consider it so damn hard and say Marth totally ***** GW. This is obviously not true and Marth is only a very hard MU, but not a counter to us.

 

[mars16]

Cool

Illl use Fair more.
I find my self to use Tutle and Fish bowl alot.

 

[Alphicans]

Fair vs marth is our best move.

 

[LinkinHand]

^this
@ mars16
good marth just do the up b oos against that or even in hitstund they just can do up b
fair is reaaly a good choice
also dthrow and good spaced dtilt

 

[-LzR-]

Marth is one of the hardest characters to techchase after a Dthrow. Unless going for the kill, I'd stick to Uthrow.

 

[mars16]

I usually chase with a headbutt (Sea helmet thing) after down throw.

With a whiled guess,

 

[-LzR-]

Why not just regrab or fair instead? A dthrow -> DA is kinda worthless compared to Uthrow -> Juggle.

 

[mars16]

Becuase the first thing that comes to my mind is dthrow every time I grab.

But Ill try upthrow to then...

(Still learning this character)

 

[SFA Smiley]

Why not just regrab or fair instead? A dthrow -> DA is kinda worthless compared to Uthrow -> Juggle.

Because it's the easiest most effective option and sometimes that's what makes it more worth doing than anything else.

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

Does our bucket's power change based on the freshness/staleness of the projectile?

 

[Alphicans]

Why not just regrab or fair instead? A dthrow -> DA is kinda worthless compared to Uthrow -> Juggle.

If you time the dash attack so it ends near the same time it hits you can get some legit followups off of it.

 

[-LzR-]

If you time the dash attack so it ends near the same time it hits you can get some legit followups off of it.

Sure, but to do that you would have to read your opponents tech options. An Uthrow is a less effective, but easier option.

Does our bucket's power change based on the freshness/staleness of the projectile?

As the buckets power is dependent on the % the projectile deals I would say yes.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Does our bucket's power change based on the freshness/staleness of the projectile?

Yeah.

10weakauraspheres

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

Not charge, staleness.

Like would a pk fire used 50 times and then into bucket do less than 3 fresh pk fires?

 

[SFA Smiley]

Yes, because of the same logic as aura. The game determines bucket strength not by the attack but by the power of the move. Therefore it would only make sense that weakened versions of those moves are weaker buckets.

What I mean is: the game doesn't say "This is a pika thunder, therefore this bucket will be strong" it says "This move does X amount of percent/knockback" or whatever

I'm not 100% sure but I don't see why it'd be any other way.

 

[-LzR-]

If you are asking if a move stales when it's absorbed, then no. It has to hit something and do damage for it to happen. Bucket just makes the projectile disappear and gives you charge. So if you haven't been hit by an aura sphere at all, they will all be fresh.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

What characters is the D-Throw to F-Smash garanteed on (for a kill)?

 

[-LzR-]

Lower weight characters. Like MK and Falco. Anything heavier than or close to as heavy as Marth will avoid it. I won't bother checking everything, but you should just try it yourself.

 

[Acute.Anthrax]

Does anybody know how many frames between each hit of metaknights tornado?

 

[-LzR-]

I believe it is generally 4 frames between each hit. Mashing B could make it faster, but I doubt it and 4 is the most it can be.
When nado is first used, before it hits a shield or a hurtbox, it has a CONSTANT hitbox every single frame, so you cannot avoid the first of the nado without shielding it.

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

What characters can I land the Dthrow>Dair on?

 

[Acute.Anthrax]

Just realized I posted my question in this thread instead of the general ask questions one lol thanks LzR for the reply regardlss

 

[-LzR-]

What characters can I land the Dthrow>Dair on?

The only one I know of is MK, but it only works when they don't tech so I don't like it as everyone will tech it at below 30% where the dair combos into a grab or something that matters...

 

[mars16]

So today i played a snake and, and found out that his Utlit out ranges are Nair (my favorite move :<)

How do u go about destroying Snake?

(Im sure we dont destroy him, I just like using that word)

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'm sort of interested in that as well. As I see it, G&W thrives in the air, but Snake can just wait for G&W to land and attack him in the lag. Once G&W gets Snake in the air its a different matter. But I am not sure what the approach should be against a grounded snake.

 

[-LzR-]

The MU is interesting in that Snake absolutely destroys us in the ground, but we absolutely destroy him in the air. Getting him into the air is hard, but once it's done, Snake is going to eat a lot of damage. Uair renders all his wavebounces and nades useless and beats all of his options. Though in the ground you are in a similar position. I would suggest attempting to grab Snake a bit more. Jump with your backside towards Snake so he'll expect a bair, then fastfall and immediately grab. He shouldn't be able to react to it.

 

[Alphicans]

You dance around him, making him shield, you full hop fair him to reduce the shield more, then you bair to shield poke or get lucky and shield poke with a fair and if you catch him when he has no grenades to cover his ***, he's pretty much combo food for a long time.

 

[Gardex]

Basically it's poking around and forcing mistakes until you get him in the air.

Then you obliterate him.

Utilt is GODLIKE at low percentage vs Snake, just saying. One hit of that bad boy at low %, and I promise you'll get around 50% or more in on him.

 

[-LzR-]

Are you sure Snake can't pull a 1 frame nade between utilts?
Though I agree it's awesome when landed, how are you gonna land an utilt against Snake? It requires you to take a ******** risk imo.

 

[Dueler X]

Also, against good Snakes, pay attention to how often you use Bair,
they might already know how to SDI it correctly for a Uair or a Bair punish,
be it on the ground or high-up in the air, some may found more efficient to actually take some hits
and then counter than to let their shield be damaged.

And basically, yes, we do obliterate them in the air, if you time Uair correctly.

 

[Gardex]

Are you sure Snake can't pull a 1 frame nade between utilts?
Though I agree it's awesome when landed, how are you gonna land an utilt against Snake? It requires you to take a ******** risk imo.

The next utilt will hit his legs while airborne, not the nade.

I hit with utilt a lot. Snakes will try to spotdodge your grab attempts when you get close, so why not utilt in stead? Its timing makes it hit them out of spotdodges.

 

[-LzR-]

Why would he spotdodge grab attempts when he could either nade -> spotdodge or just ftilt you to death.

 

[Gardex]

I'd try to spotdodge an approaching G&W from the air.

 

[-LzR-]

When all of our moves basically make spotdodging useless? I would shield instead since we can't do much against shields from the air.