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[MEOW1337KITTEH]

PS1 isn't too bad. Less ******** than FD imo

Why does everyone else in Arizona have to be so hyped about Japanese Ruleset :/ It's so predictable and dull. Game 1 is always Smashville except for the few games where someone doesn't know the matchup.

 

[Alphicans]

What I don't like about it is the very few starters. I want more variety. And PS1? Keep it out. That thing is unbalanced.

You want more variety but want ps1 banned? I am so confused.

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

2 separate responses:

1. Japanese ruleset sucks
2. PS1 is less balanced than FD

 

[-LzR-]

You are all wrong.

Now let's discuss who we should Uthrow and who we should Dthrow.
Snake is obviously uthrow, but who else? I think Falco rolls really fast and really far.

 

[Damittom]

Marth is U throw at low precents

 

[-LzR-]

You sure? Uthrow seems to send ppl really really high no matter what %.

 

[Damittom]

Marth can't do anything when we are below him

 

[-LzR-]

But Dthrow allows us to get an opprtunity to finish off Marth and do a lot of damage that makes the MU bearable. That is why you said at low %, right?

 

[SFA Smiley]

But Dthrow allows us to get an opprtunity to finish off Marth and do a lot of damage that makes the MU bearable. That is why you said at low %, right?

Our fairs trade, we could get the KO that way.

KOing marth isn't as hard as getting there in the first place. I would Uthrow him.

 

[Damittom]

But Dthrow allows us to get an opprtunity to finish off Marth and do a lot of damage that makes the MU bearable. That is why you said at low %, right?

Yeah pretty much Marth is a fairly easy character to juggle and beats us in most neutral positions which tends to result much sooner after a dthrow option than up throw against marth

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

Unless it's super early percents, I would prefer fthrow or bthrow to upthrow. I feel like throwing them near the ledge or off the stage makes people more uncomfortable than simply putting them in the air.

 

[LinkinHand]

What about D3 at low %? I mean he's sooo fat after a uthrow we could easily chase him with one or two nairs which would result in maybe 40 % or something like that?

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

I imagine that would fall under "super early percents"

 

[-LzR-]

Uthrow seems to have weird knockback scaling. At early % it sends them up kinda high and at high % it doesn't really get any stronger. Our throws are so lame

 

[LinkinHand]

But the dthrow is better than most of the other characters throws. With good tech chase we can bild up good damage. And what do you think, is Snakes dthrow better than ours? Because they can't tech it?

 

[Alphicans]

Snake's dthrow is 100x better than ours and is definitely the best non-cgable throw.

Also it's true marth has no answers to our aerials if he's above us, but that's only if we get directly under him which is really hard because he has a faster airspeed, so good luck getting high damage off of a uthrow :/

 

[-LzR-]

I have trouble doing anything after uthrow.

 

[LinkinHand]

if you only want to make damage try to use up b? XD i mean it's better than nothing. Otherwise jump after him but you don't have to attack with a nair wait for an air dodge and punish that or chase him and punish his landing lag just be a little bit creative and use mix-ups I know it's easier to say than to do i also couldn't do this but it's true

 

[-LzR-]

I dunno how it just seems kinda weird to do. When I wait for their dodge my move still seems to sometimes miss or something. I'm just bad at it atm I think. Gotten better though. Nair *****.

 

[LinkinHand]

Nair has more range than i think. Every ****ing single time :D and just because of the fishes.
Another question just popped in my mind. What would you change in G&W's Moveset in SSB4? I would definatley give him a better projectile.

 

[-LzR-]

I wouldn't touch him at all. His moveset is perfect as it is. Dthrow could use more damage and Back and Forward throw could have a purpose, but otherwise it's perfect.

 

[SFA Smiley]

We don't need a projectile. I actually like what bacon is used for right now.

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

If they could give G&W better roll frames and less cooldown on Chef I think he would be really ****ing good.

 

[SFA Smiley]

If they could give G&W better roll frames and less cooldown on Chef I think he would be really ****ing good.

Man if we had a better roll...

 

[-LzR-]

We don't need no damn roll. We already have upB as one of the best defensive tools in the game.
And Bacon is fine as it is imo. I really wouldn't change anything.

Well... Ftilt could be stronger so it would have a purpose but meh. Now it's pretty much just the landing lag of fair.

 

[Gardex]

Rising dair, I tell you!

Rising dair!

 

[LinkinHand]

Haahaha Gardex :D And maybe the dair could spike easier. But yeah ftilt and fair also should be worked on. But when G&W is "perfect" then why he has so terrible mu's i wish brawl would be balanced....

 

[-LzR-]

Brawl is pretty goddamn balanced. The polar opposites are very different, but due to how the game works, most of the cast is viable imo.

EDIT: You guys know how strong our uair is. That **** can kill MK at like 100% or below. Any tips on landing the 2nd hit? The first hit contains the huge windbox to take them out before the 2nd hit and the 1st hit doesn't really combo into the 2nd at higher %. Of course there is stuff like reading an airdodge and uairing then, but I consider that kinda risky, I'd rather just have the free 18% from nair. Tips anyone?

 

[Metmetm3t]

Any advise on my match vs Reflex?
http://youtu.be/6d7pdFDH52M

 

[Alphicans]

Ivy and charizard are bad characters, so treat them like that. Reflex makes ivy better than normal, so I can understand showing some respect for him, but charizard is useless vs us, yet you showed such hesitation approaching. Remember that fair bair and nair will go through rocksmash and hit charizard in most situations/most angles so abuse that. Also use nair more to approach.

 

[-LzR-]

And time Squirtle out.

 

[derkapalooza]

I wouldn't touch him at all. His moveset is perfect as it is. Dthrow could use more damage and Back and Forward throw could have a purpose, but otherwise it's perfect.

speaking of d-throw... did you guys forget about this neat little tech chase?

http://youtu.be/lrg4NZ_Z_tQ

 

[-LzR-]

Nair techchase is only worth it on a few characters and does very little damage so I don't really consider worth it. Better to just Uthrow them if you want to make sure you get more than 6% and get them in the air.

 

[SFA Smiley]

speaking of d-throw... did you guys forget about this neat little tech chase?

http://youtu.be/lrg4NZ_Z_tQ

Nope, did it on someone saturday.

 

[Reika Kitami]

Ally my kill moves keep getting shielded because I'm predictable >.<.

Is there any set ups or any other advice for someone who's trying to pick this character up?

 

[-LzR-]

Down Throw.

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

Bair>Fsmash works a lot for me if you don't hit with the last hitbox.

And Usmash>Fsmash and Usmash>Usmash are both pretty good due to very unpredictably fast iasa

 

[-LzR-]

Uair 1st hit, land, usmash is legit.

And just a simple fair offstage for the kill.

 

[Gardex]

DTHROW UTILT UTILT DAIR REGRAB DTHROW FSMASH

Best combo (Will only kill MK/Squirtle/Jiggs with PatG DI)

 

[SFA Smiley]

Ally my kill moves keep getting shielded because I'm predictable >.<.

Is there any set ups or any other advice for someone who's trying to pick this character up?

Not much.

Welcome to using a character with glaring weaknesses :D