phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Agreed. Insane JCG range, solid anti- fast faller strategery (lol), and crazy grab -> aerial game (that fair is so amazing), plus that fsmash is pretty good.
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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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Albert.
Smash Master
Melee Marth is the MK of melee and Brawl Marth is like the peach of Melee.
does that make sense?
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
^ eh... not really =\ i mean she has projectiles her jumps are totally dif and her game style is entirely another world... the only real similarity is gender.
referring to peach
referring to peach
dean.
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And that they could be called the 'best of the rest.' Not good enough to be top, but ahead of everyone else.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
you talkin about peach or mk in relation to marth?
Is there a list of first db locks or grab strings anywhere around here?
Is there a list of first db locks or grab strings anywhere around here?
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Peach had amazing recovery and great kill options (fair, fthrow)
Marth has neither in Brawl.
Marth has neither in Brawl.
Albert.
Smash Master
TRA
Smash Journeyman
I actually didn't play too much melee. I went straight from playing Smash 64 to Brawl..... Do you think that hinders or helps my Marth/Brawl game, overall? Or is that a highly circumstancial question?
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adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Fox is more broken.
Thunder Of Zeus
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I don't recall...
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
EL made the thread:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=206123
It's not really something that can be agreed on by anybody, but that is a good general list. Though outdated in some areas.
Jab for example, should be a lot higher now.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=206123
It's not really something that can be agreed on by anybody, but that is a good general list. Though outdated in some areas.
Jab for example, should be a lot higher now.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
por que? jab locks?
Jab, being faster than dtilt, a little longer ranged than Dancing Blade, and less punishable on block than Dolphin Slash, makes a decent pressure string link, I guess.
Thunder Of Zeus
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lol
"... i guess"
"... i guess"
The main problem is that Brawl's system is not conducive to pressure strings in the first place, making the jab, at best, a situational way to cover yourself if you happen to hit a shield with an aerial but spaced it well enough to avoid the more obvious retaliations.
Thunder Of Zeus
*Rumble Rumble*
it has so much lag and if you miss then you're pretty much screwed... ds 0os or usmash or even uair/fair are generally the smarter kill moves
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Usmash isn't a kill move...
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
yes it is...
regarding jab, its quick, safe, has decent range, and is awesome for anti-air
Thunder Of Zeus
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lol? in brawl its easier to kill vertically most of the time. usmash kills just fine.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Since it's a Marth q I'll answer it. It's all about reading and predicting youropponent, if they jump and land, use it then in their landing lag. If they double jump, jump after them and use it. The options are endless.
TRA
Smash Journeyman
With regards to defending against SH attacks and some ariels, which do you think is best:
- Jab
- Ftilt
- Utilt
- Other?
I personally prefer Ftilt because of the range, but I switch to Utilt if their damage is high enough that I think it might kill. I usually only jab when I want to poke their recovery or want a move to clash.
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¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Jab def. Utilt has very short range in front of Marth and ftilt is just too laggy.
Jab has a nice hitbox for AA and is really fast.
SOLID: You know how hard Marth has to work for his kills, he doesn't have any safe kill moves. You have to create a situation where Usmash is safe to use via juggle trap, platform abuse, forced roll, attack cool down, etc.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I guess, but you can do the same thing with a Utilt and it's less laggy.
Up-B out of shield is safe depending on what hits your shield.
Up-B out of shield is safe depending on what hits your shield.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Jab.
Sensible movestrings. And jab is under rated.
Sensible movestrings. And jab is under rated.
Chileno4Live
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Hey guys whats up
Recently, i've been playing with Marth and all. Eventually, i was training alot and 2 days ago a good friend came by (IStudying). He must be 1 of the best Smashers in my country. Anyway, we brawled some time and i noticed he was punishing my Rolls and when i was shielding, i got grabbed alot aswell! He told me my marth is to defensive. I think i play Marth like i'm playing DDD, which isn't good. Now i need some advice.
I want to stop Roll Dodging so much, i'm practicing to not roll dodge, but when i'm in a tough spot, where i think that my best option is rolling, i don't do it. However, i can't find an alternative for rolling. It's hard for me to use something else than Rolling. Also, i use my shield TOOO MUCH. Is there any way you guys can give me some advice and/or tips? I really need it.
Thnx in advance :D
Recently, i've been playing with Marth and all. Eventually, i was training alot and 2 days ago a good friend came by (IStudying). He must be 1 of the best Smashers in my country. Anyway, we brawled some time and i noticed he was punishing my Rolls and when i was shielding, i got grabbed alot aswell! He told me my marth is to defensive. I think i play Marth like i'm playing DDD, which isn't good. Now i need some advice.
I want to stop Roll Dodging so much, i'm practicing to not roll dodge, but when i'm in a tough spot, where i think that my best option is rolling, i don't do it. However, i can't find an alternative for rolling. It's hard for me to use something else than Rolling. Also, i use my shield TOOO MUCH. Is there any way you guys can give me some advice and/or tips? I really need it.
Thnx in advance :D
TRA
Smash Journeyman
Try some offense, or try playing defensively whilst attacking, maybe retreating fairs?
That's actually what I have the most trouble with, is getting grabbed, which is definitely NOT good because one of the guys in my crew mains IC and is fully able of doing a 0 --> Death Chaingrab. My response to this is highly annoying: spam Fair. The usual response that I get when I ask for help with the same problem of getting grabbed, is 'learn to space better.' Marth has good range, try to use it.
Use your shield too much as in, sit there and hold it when you think he's going to attack? What you might want to do is just stop holding your shield. Tap it a few times and try to mindgame him when he's approaching, and then attack out of it, spot dodge, roll, grab out of it, or just finally start holding it. Just a few hours ago I was Brawling, and while I was hanging on the ledge my opponent would just stand on the stage near the ledge I was on, and keep shielding and dropping his shield instantly: When I tried attacking from the ledge, he held the shield a little longer, and then punished. When I tried just recovering past him, he'd roll with me and punish. Etc. etc.
Rolling isn't necessarily bad at all, you just can't let them predict the roll. One of my favorite things to do when I want to get an Avenger Kill right after I die, is to just walk towards my opponent, and wait for them to roll behind me so I can smash them. It's practically irresistable, and even I pull that blonde roll a few times every once in a while.
Hope this helps? Ask again if you have anything more specific you want to improve on.
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Thunder Of Zeus
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you can't use dash momentum on a utilt
Chileno4Live
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That helped alot!! But i use my shield to long when i'm standing. Because i think he's gonna hit me. I also have some trouble punishing air dodges when i'm juggling, or gimping, i need help aswell. And well i'm just looking for alternatives to use instead of rolling, because my rolls are so predictable lol 
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Up B OoS more and don't roll.
Thunder Of Zeus
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just do your best NOT to hold the shield, try powershielding or stepdodging.That helped alot!! But i use my shield to long when i'm standing. Because i think he's gonna hit me. I also have some trouble punishing air dodges when i'm juggling, or gimping, i need help aswell. And well i'm just looking for alternatives to use instead of rolling, because my rolls are so predictable lol
shffnair or shfffair as a safe approach (as opposed to rolls) or step dodge/power shield and punish whatever you'd be rolling from as it misses.
how to stop rolling: play street fighter
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
what does that have to do with anything ?
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Abel says hi
Thunder Of Zeus
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have you ever played it? its not a bad suggestion...