Ask a Question, Get an Answer Thread~[Read Before Asking a Question]

[clubbadubba]

is ness's djc aerial faster or slower than his sj aerial?

 

[Yobolight]

is ness's djc aerial faster or slower than his sj aerial?

I know that DJC dair comes out slower than jump immediate dair, if that is what you are asking

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Please don't make the mistake of thinking short hopping is releasing the c button during the jumping animation, which would make short hop easiest with Link. Short hop is holding c for 3 frames or less for every character.

That's funny. I was actually thinking about telling my friends to learn to short hop with Link because it's obviously easiest based on this info. Then I read the rest of your post. Thanks for the preemptive clarification.

 

[Sangoku]

is ness's djc aerial faster or slower than his sj aerial?

Not faster to come out if that's your question. You can't double jump while in the jumping animation, DJC or regular second jump. So you'll need that extra frame to double jump, plus some extra frames because if you dair right away, no hitbox will come out (Ness will be too low). So yeah, a raising dair would come out faster than a DJC dair.

That's funny. I was actually thinking about telling my friends to learn to short hop with Link because it's obviously easiest based on this info. Then I read the rest of your post. Thanks for the preemptive clarification.

Yeah, that's a common mistake.

 

[-LzR-]

Just a minor thing that's been bothering me for a long time. If you DJC with Yoshi or Ness, do you still need to Zcancel?

 

[Sangoku]

Yes. It's just that Ness' dair and uair don't need z-cancel (just like pikachu's uair) so maybe that got you confused.

 

[-LzR-]

Dair and uair autocancel?

 

[clubbadubba]

yea dude, don't tell me you've been zcanceling them for your WHOLE LIFE?!?!?!?! JK I still zcancel them even though i know i don't have to, just habit.

 

[Sangoku]

That's what I just said, yes.

And I tend to z-cancel them by reflexe too, which is dumb because half of the time, the shield comes out because I suck.

 

[clubbadubba]

half of the time, the shield comes out because I suck.

so much this. It's the biggest reason why ness sucks

 

[-LzR-]

No, I don't play Ness so I haven't had this problem. Just wondered how noobs who don't know how to zcancel can do those dairs so well.
No wonder they have trouble doing DJC fairs as they don't autocancel. Thanks a lot.

 

[iamavalon]

Sangoku, i just noticed that you didnt put pikachu on that list, but i would presume he would be at the 3 frame tier. is that correct?

 

[jimmyjoe]

Yeah pika is 3 frames.
Less than a month ago i asked about this same exact thing cause i was messing up rising Nairs with link.. Kinda Funny

 

[Sangoku]

Oh I forgot pika? Yeah it's 3 as well, as jimmyjoe pointed out.

And yeah, it's not rare that questions are raised multiple times. Thus the interest of having a big compilation-thread.

 

[B Link]

It's not about using an aerial a certain time after jumping, but rather how long the jumping animation is. If you haven't found in the regular threads (threads in the index, especially my frame data thread), then there's none. I could do one pretty easily.

edit: haven't found any, so here we go.

3 frames tier
Fox, Kirby, Luigi, Mario, Samus, Ness

4 frames tier
Captain Falcon

5 frames tier
Yoshi

6 frames tier
Donkey Kong, Jigglypuff

7 frames tier
Link


Please don't make the mistake of thinking short hopping is releasing the c button during the jumping animation, which would make short hop easiest with Link. Short hop is holding c for 3 frames or less for every character.

This is pretty interesting. I probably was aware of this subconsciously but never knew the specific frame difference between chars.

 

[M!nt]

Don't bother zcanceling ness's djc except bair and fair, it's just a waste. also LEARN FIROS METHOD OMG IT'S AMAZING! c:

Yoshi however, z-cancel everything.

 

[Sangoku]

Don't listen to M!int and z-cancel Nair as well.

 

[M!nt]

listen to m!nt, but yeah I forgot nair lol, do that too.

 

[The Star King]

I don't zcancel when I do Yoshi platform double jump lands on platforms, which I uair for (makes the timing less strict)

 

[mixa]

^ all this time I thought you were timing the DJ really well.

and what the fuсk how did I not know about all those auto cancels... !!
not that it's gonna change a whole lot, I mean, I even cancel some tilts, but damn.

 

[yetiNine0]

Anyone have recommended settings for the n64 controller? Specifically the dead zone, threshold, and analog-stick range. Here's what i have but it doesn't feel quite right: http://imgur.com/RFKityK. Could just be me though. I'm using a May Flash adapter.
I'm trying to get better at short hopping and want to have the right settings first.

Thanks

 

[M!nt]

Dead zone: 5
Range: 70
Threshold: 100

 

[yetiNine0]

Sweet thanks. At first those settings didn't work but after some googling I found out I had to calibrate the controller in windows first. Now it works wonderfully.

Here are the steps to calibrating it in case anyone was wondering:

1} plug the this adapter to the pc via usb
2} plug n64 controller
3} go to control panel and then select game controllers
4} then select properties and highlight gamepad
5} then select the tab that does not say test, remember I said not, I for got what the other is called
6} now calaberate the analog stick. it will tell you what to do {simple stuff} after you click finish to finish the claiberation open project 64
7} now click the options tab and select settings.
8} change jabo to n-rage{ please note that all though jabo will work, I had problems with it, especially the buttons, so I recommend you use n-rage} n-rage everything works good for me.
9} after that, you can go to configure control plug-in and set all the buttons and the d-pad as well as the start and analog stick.
10} you are now finished the controller setup.
11} all thats left is for you to do what you normally do and select the game you want to play.
12} enjoy!!

-amazon reviewer

 

[B Link]

Capture card recommendations anyone?

I want to be able to have my television gameplay on my laptop screen. I don't wanna have to record from a VCR tape/DVD if that's possible. Preferably it would have high fps and good quality. I have a widescreen LCD tv and a CRT-TV.

 

[Froski]

I use a Newelectronx HD PVR.

It REALLY depends on the model. Some of them dont work with the n64 console for me. Had to watch a ****load of tutorials to get the b.astard to work

 

[breakthrough]

Dead zone: 5
Range: 70
Threshold: 100

How does one find Threshold if you're using a Raphnet n64 controller to usb adapter? I might be looking in the wrong places because I've seen threshold mentioned and I don't have any options relating to that which I could find, but I can easily find by dead zone and range.

 

[M!nt]

It's right next to deadzone in nrage idk about the other plugins though srry

your plugin might not have a slider for it, if not it's not that big of a deal if it works good.

 

[breakthrough]

It's right next to deadzone in nrage idk about the other plugins though srry

your plugin might not have a slider for it, if not it's not that big of a deal if it works good.

Is this mayflash specific? I use raphnet so I might not have to deal with threshold.

 

[M!nt]

It's plugin specific, not adapter specific. but, yeah it's more than likely preset in the plugin you're using.

 

[Sangoku]

Threshold doesn't matter for the n64 controller anyway. It has something to do with analog button, like the gamecube L and R triggers.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Let me start by saying I don't know the differences between the Japanese and US version of smash.

Does this combo work for US?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA1e3Hbvt1w&t=11s

I keep dying right after my bair and it feels like I don't have time to jump. It would be good to know if I'm wasting my time practicing this on the US version

 

[Sangoku]

I guess your question is legit since Captain Falcon has shorter jumps in the US version, so it's harder to have time to bair. It is however possible, I TASed it. I can upload it if you want.

edit: even in non-TAS I could get the jump after the bair.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. If you want to upload I'd be interested to watch the combo for US but it's not a big deal if you're not in the mood

 

[B Link]

There is a video of someone doing a similar combo in the US version on youtube.

 

[B-Town]

What are weak aerials as opposed to normal aerials?

 

[Sangoku]

Some aerial attacks last some time (generally neutral airs). During this there are two different hitboxes: one in the beginning of the attack, another in the second part. Since the latter is weaker than the former, we refer to it as a weak aerial.

 

[asianaussie]

the term 'weak' can be used in a relative sense (for example, ness's f-air knocks the opponent back further than his b-air does)

alternatively, it can refer to a move's weaker hitboxes - try delaying mario's f-air slightly and compare the knockback to hitting them with the very beginning of the move

edit: wow i stayed on this page for half an hour? jrpgs are a scary thing

 

[Cobrevolution]

is there a reason you can't c stick jump off a respawn platform but you can stick jump?

 

[Barbs Jr]

Competent foxes:

Anyone got tips on how to make fair -> fair combo? And fair -> usmash? Having trouble, not sure if it's because I'm using weak fairs when i'm supposed to be using strong fairs or what.

 

[Han Solo]

Competent foxes:

Anyone got tips on how to make fair -> fair combo? And fair -> usmash? Having trouble, not sure if it's because I'm using weak fairs when i'm supposed to be using strong fairs or what.

It depends on the character you're facing and percentage. After a while (at least with me), you just get a feel for how much knockback a character gets when you fair them at any percentage. So, fair->fair probably isn't a combo against any character at 0%, but it's probably a combo against most characters at 40-50%. I know you can fair-upsmash Pikachu from about 60% to 90% (maybe even a larger range).