Grizzmeister
Smash Lord
Has there ever been a Smash 64 tournament held using the ROM on a PC rather than the N64 console and the cartridge?
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Annex
Smash Ace
I don't think so, besides the countless online tournaments
breakthrough
Smash Journeyman
Any Yoshi's care to comment on their method of activating super armor in deadly situations? Do you time it or mash all 4 jump buttons?
Grizzmeister
Smash Lord
I would have thought that Smash 64 tournaments in other countries might be held on the PC. That solution would allow for rock steady framerates and even more stages via ROM hacks. Also, it would open up many more controller combinations. Lastly, streams and YT videos of the events would be easier to capture in HD. Oh well, I guess in this case the original Nintendo 64 hardware is master race.
Annex
Smash Ace
Yeah! If emulator smash didn't have inherent lag it would probably be the best option thoughOh well, I guess in this case the original Nintendo 64 hardware is master race.
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Why the **** would other countries play smash 64 on emulators over consoles
consoles aren't magically worse outside of the US
goddamn it grizz you're like a ****ing rock in a shoe that won't disappear
consoles aren't magically worse outside of the US
goddamn it grizz you're like a ****ing rock in a shoe that won't disappear
Grizzmeister
Smash Lord
Why are you always so angry?
Nintendo 64 consoles and copies of SSB64 are much harder to get at a reasonable price in other countries than they are here in the United States. That's why I suggested that players who live outside NTSC standards might opt for the ease of PC emulation to hold their Smash 64 tournaments. People all over the world have PC's and the Smash 64 ROM is free, right?
T Brett
Smash Journeyman
I like you Grizz
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Scrub Samus main here looking for some wisdom
I've been told by various players in my region who are much better/knowledgeable than me that my character actually does relatively well against Kirby. I feel like the MU is terrible and realistically Samus should not be winning unless the Kirby player is much worse/really bad at the MU, but I've been told the MU isn't too bad for Samus (ie she loses, but not by much)
Can anyone bother explaining why? What are some of the things Samus has going for her in the MU? How am I supposed to approach a grounded Kirby that's facing the other direction (ie because utilt is a threat)?
I've been told by various players in my region who are much better/knowledgeable than me that my character actually does relatively well against Kirby. I feel like the MU is terrible and realistically Samus should not be winning unless the Kirby player is much worse/really bad at the MU, but I've been told the MU isn't too bad for Samus (ie she loses, but not by much)
Can anyone bother explaining why? What are some of the things Samus has going for her in the MU? How am I supposed to approach a grounded Kirby that's facing the other direction (ie because utilt is a threat)?
joshin9009
Smash Cadet
I have a question would you recommend to play fox in 64 or should I switch to someone else to be my main
Nicholas Scalzi
Smash Rookie
Yeah its not a fun match up, but there are a few things on your favour.
The approach game is a patient one, but once she is on the offensive, you can trouble a teching kirby. I like to stay above and try and draw kirby into the air before fast falling. also B-air is good for edge guarding if you can't D-air by getting above them.
I've typically played all 12 characters, but I'm starting to get into comps and was going to work on 2-3 characters. Is it easier to spend a lot of solo time with each? or can I just keep playing all 3 at once and make comparable improvements?
Annex
Smash Ace
The only two things Samus has that are actually good: her dair and bair
In the neutral kirby cannot beat bair except by attacking samus from above (so don't let that happen). Stay out of range of their nairs/fairs/bairs, wait for them to use one, and hit them with a bair. If the kirby is staying in the air, get above them and dair. Kirby has no defense for attacks from above when in the air. Pivot fsmash also does a lot of work if they're coming in with misplaced aerials.
If you get them offstage and know that they'll have to use their upb to get back, don't go out there. You have no reason to. Wait for them to use it and hit them with a dair, or nair if they're high percent and you don't trust your timing. If they're offstage but can get back without upb-ing, be careful and either stay above them or bair them back off just like you do in neutral
Fox is a cool character that is hard to play, but very fun. It will also teach you exactly where and how you messed up, because often times a mistake with fox will result in you being dead. With kirby or pika you might not realize mistakes you're making because those characters are so forgiving of the player
THE_MAAFIA
Smash Ace
Just pick luigi, I heard from a very sexy man that the match up is 80-20, free win
Kirbstomper
Smash Apprentice
In addition to the above Kirby has a hard time comboing samus (only can get like 2 up tilts off wtf samus is broken). But while samus is very difficult to edge guard I think Kirby has an easier time with it than most other characters. Basically if you want to be competitively good with samus, you have a long road ahead of you.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Wait wait wait wait
Bair beats Kirby's utilt?
The Star King
Smash Hero
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If you platform camp Kirby can have a somewhat hard time dealing with that
If Kirby refuses to approach or controls the top plat himself you can try to sneak in some charging
https://youtu.be/XKrokxRmmM4?t=1432
No.
Is your avatar from an old issue of The Smog? lol, definitely remember seeing that somewhere on Smogon, back from when I played I guess
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Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Current melee mods have tools that allow you to study the game better, such as your character flashing red during the lag of a missed lcancel.
Question to you modders, how hard would it be to get characters in this game to glow/change color while they're in hitstun/shieldstun? Maybe it's something that could get added to 19xx and toggled by item switch (none = normal, medium = characters glow, etc.)
Question to you modders, how hard would it be to get characters in this game to glow/change color while they're in hitstun/shieldstun? Maybe it's something that could get added to 19xx and toggled by item switch (none = normal, medium = characters glow, etc.)
tehz
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idk. To my knowledge, the only things that I can think of that change color are the shades for team mode, and hurtboxes/hitboxes. Which leads to more questions: are the team mode shades actually shading (either brightness or gray overlay) or are they just costumes? I don't think anyone's looked into this.
Madao has posted how to change the color of hurtboxes, but can that be updated in real time? Then, are hurtboxes good enough for training? Or do you want to train your reactions with the actual models?
Once you've found a way to change the color, then you have to tie that to the histun/sheildstun state. I'd figure that Madao has already posted how the game keeps track of that, so this part is easy.
Then, you have to figure out how to run your code to catch when the hitstun state changes. This probably wouldn't be too hard, but you'd have to search for it.
Finally, you'd want to toggle code somewhere in game (I'd probably use handicap, but hopefully jorgams will have posted info on the debug menu by then.)
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So, long story short, there'd be a lot to do.
Madao has posted how to change the color of hurtboxes, but can that be updated in real time? Then, are hurtboxes good enough for training? Or do you want to train your reactions with the actual models?
Once you've found a way to change the color, then you have to tie that to the histun/sheildstun state. I'd figure that Madao has already posted how the game keeps track of that, so this part is easy.
Then, you have to figure out how to run your code to catch when the hitstun state changes. This probably wouldn't be too hard, but you'd have to search for it.
Finally, you'd want to toggle code somewhere in game (I'd probably use handicap, but hopefully jorgams will have posted info on the debug menu by then.)
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So, long story short, there'd be a lot to do.
WRECKITROLF
Smash Rookie
so when i try to go to the SSS in 19XXTE, the game just stops and makes the crowd noise over and over again. what do?
Ness Lee
Smash Rookie
Does anyone have data on priority in this game? Or is it just kinda something you have to get a feel for? I've unexpectedly had some dairs beaten by upairs and upsmashes so I wanted to do some research
Shears
Smash Master
Annex
Smash Ace
"Priority" in 64 is just disjointedness
Check yo boxes ^^^^^
Check yo boxes ^^^^^
SuPeRbOoM
Smash Master
priority only exists in ground vs ground moves
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
And non-transcendent projectiles vs non-transcendent projectiles/attacks(aerial or ground)
Ness Lee
Smash Rookie
Oh awesome thanks! Looks like a really good resource.
Smelly Cat
Smash Journeyman
yo.
what's the fewest frames you can be in the shield animation for?
trying to figure out how much faster shield stopping is than using grab to cancel a run animation
what's the fewest frames you can be in the shield animation for?
trying to figure out how much faster shield stopping is than using grab to cancel a run animation
MCG
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Fireblaster
Smash Lord
seems that at its fastest, shielding lags you by 14 frames while grabbing lasts 15 frames.
Smelly Cat
Smash Journeyman
that's whatsup. thanks fellas
ilikcereal101
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This is kind of a strange question but, i just started playing 64 and I decided to play yoshi just like in melee but I have yet to get a adapter and N64 controller. So I set up my controls and the Z-button is set to the L-bbutton on my controller (not the click, but as if i was light shielding). and it was easy for me to parry. I not sure if I'm setting myself up to fall by practicing this way because I'm not sure how the Z-button on the N64 controller differs from the L-button on the gamecube controller. Thanks in advance.
Shears
Smash Master
What happens when you full press the L trigger?
Saltsizzle
Smash Journeyman
Why would you be setting yourself up to fail? GC controllers are legal for 64. Z button for 64 is kind of similar to the Z button in GC controller not like L or R on GC controller.
Grizzmeister
Smash Lord
On Ebay, why are North American copies of Super Smash Bros. so much more expensive than Japanese ones? Is the competitive scene not as big in Japan?
THE_MAAFIA
Smash Ace
I think people are making a big deal and saying "ooohhhh it's the first smash man, it's suuuuper rareeee~"
Pippin (Peregrin Took)
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Found the same thing on Amazon. Maybe because they think people are too lazy to case mod their n64s to play Japanese games? Take out one part that isn't necessary to make the games work and you've made your console region free
Thinking of getting into competitive 64 and for now I only have the Wii vc version. My guess is it's not usable in tournaments because of no 64 ports and apparently there's some frame skips (source?) but is it ok for practice?
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Grizzmeister
Smash Lord
Me and my friends play the Virtual Console version of Smash 64 all the time. It's great for casuals but because it skips frames it can't be used for competitive play. We mostly play the VC version because my Wii is the backwards compatible model that lets us use GameCube controllers and we like those better than the N64 pads. Also, since the Wii has component output it looks much better on my TV.
Shears
Smash Master
He's learning
Fireblaster
Smash Lord
Easiest and safest way to play Japanese versions of n64 games is with an everdrive
Grizzmeister
Smash Lord
You can also use a Game Shark to play Japanese N64 games on your North American console.
In the upper left-hand corner of this picture I also have an adapter that does the same thing.
Annex
Smash Ace
You can also just swap the backs of the carts out, or **** with the security tabs