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[The Star King]

Glad someone appreciates my stories.

I mostly write them to entertain myself though.

I liked my Korobeiniki story.

(you were probably sarcastic but I'll pretend you weren't)

 

[Han Solo]

Fox's down smash in J version makes me physically ill. I'm surprised he's not lower.

 

[The Star King]

But, Han Solo... if that list were for NTSC, you'd still be surprised he's not lower!

 

[Han Solo]

4th is ok for Fox in U. Just so long as he's under Kirby and Falcon, I'm content.

 

[Cobrevolution]

does fair actually help with gaining horizontal distance while recovering?

does dtilt come out faster if the character is already crouching?

 

[Sangoku]

1) For Kirby and Jigglypuff yes, for the rest I believe not.

2) No, it's the same. If you dtilt (by light press +a that is), you will instantly begin the dtilt animation as crouched.

 

[stylisland]

I think Fair works for Samus' recovery too

 

[Sangoku]

Nope, just tested.

 

[Olikus]

samus downB helps for horisontal distance, but ******* probably knew that allready.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Hi there, Wizzy. There is a match-up chart made by Red (whatever that means) in March, 2012:

So you can see their positions in the rightmost column: Pika is 1st, DK is last, Yoshi is 10th...

Now that got me wondering about the process for that MU chart. Is there a lame thread somewhere on mixi with endless posts? Anyway, there's a bit more info (tourney-wise) here in this video thread.

Thanks, going to go convert this so that it is in order

 

[weedwack]

Ness with the advantage over fox and falcon. Awesome.

Not that I agree, but it's certainly encouraging.

Do you guys think discrepancies in tier lists arise from differences in metagame development or version differences?

 

[MrMarbles]

Ness with the advantage over fox and falcon. Awesome.

Not that I agree, but it's certainly encouraging.

Do you guys think discrepancies in tier lists arise from differences in metagame development or version differences?

i like to think that the metagame plays a role and not just version differnences

 

[asianaussie]

i wonder if anyone is still maining DK over there

 

[Sangoku]

Wait, jiggly has the advantage against luigi? This tier list is wrong!

 

[The Star King]

Ness with the advantage over fox and falcon. Awesome.

Not that I agree, but it's certainly encouraging.

Do you guys think discrepancies in tier lists arise from differences in metagame development or version differences?

Both.

Wait, jiggly has the advantage against luigi? This tier list is wrong!

Yooooooooooooooooo!

Japan 1-0 USA

 

[SSBPete]

this is probably a troll list to **** with us westerners

and han solo you're crazy, foxs j dsmash can link up some sweet combos

 

[Han Solo]

Because this game is completely about sweet combos. I'm sure Samus's uptilt can link into something cool too.

 

[SSBPete]

i almost forgot it's about shine cancels

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Did it in proper order, uplaoding it now.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9TygudrqbR3cGlrOXM5UEVPMXc/edit?usp=sharing

Uploaded. If I have any errors, I'll edit them (probably do)

Otherwise ill be uploading soon to the wiki or somewhere.

 

[mixa]

what names the column and rows is "Koro"? HAAHAHAH

that's never gonna get old

 

[Han Solo]

Well, shine cancel leads into so many more things than a ****ty J dsmash.

 

[SSBPete]

but when you have both!

 

[KnitePhox]

Shine cancel -> dsmash -->??? J combo?!??!?!?

 

[mixa]

I'm curious now. What does the J dsmash combo into?

 

[Cobrevolution]

same thing as j dtilt

just ask hipstur

 

[mixa]

nu-uh
u crazy


oh, I think I get it now
it's like a joke
as in

"how can I beat kirby's utilt with falcon"

"falcon kick beats kirby utilt. just ask sheer"

except I don't know this hipster guy, or his advices
but since it sounds crazy, it must be what happened

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Normally when you Z-cancel but don't release the Z-trigger in time, you Z-cancel the move but your shield pops out.

This doesn't happen with Mario's Uair. Instead, it is as if you missed the Z-cancel entirely. Am I correct in thinking this. If so, wtf?

 

[mixa]

Not sure I follow you, are having trouble Z-canceling Mario's Uair, or are you asking if the move has different properties regarding the Z-cancelling + shield buffer process?

The timing to Z-cancel Mario's Uair is deceiving. It's not easy to do Short Hop Dair Uair. It's almost as if Mario lands sooner when he Uairs.

 

[KnitePhox]

Normally when you Z-cancel but don't release the Z-trigger in time, you Z-cancel the move but your shield pops out.

This doesn't happen with Mario's Uair. Instead, it is as if you missed the Z-cancel entirely. Am I correct in thinking this. If so, wtf?

nope its just difficult tech IIRC

aka practice moar..?

 

[SSBPete]

I'm curious now. What does the J dsmash combo into?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wS-FYIXXU

 

[Han Solo]

lol. Great combo. Amazing combo actually. That still doesn't stop J dsmash from being horrendously bad.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

It's like fox's d-tilt got an extended laggy leg.

 

[mixa]

I knew somebody would link Prince's combo. Guess what, that doesn't count!!

J Dsmash confirmed for useless move.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

not as useless as dk's dash attack

alsoattack also are there any corrections to the list or nah

 

[Annex]

not as useless as dk's dash attack

It punches through kirby's utilt
that's kinda noteworthy

 

[mixa]

^ I don't know where that came from originally, but it isn't true. I remember testing DK's dash atk vs Kirby Utilt with someone a long time ago, and it never seemed like I had any frame advantage after the clank.
I just tested it now with TAS, and the frame advantage just depends -- probably on who'd finish the attack earlier.

I also remember an ant-d table which stated DK had the fastest Utilt (w/ hitbox out) in the game, that is also not true, it ties with Kirby's.

 

[Sangoku]

Boom said it first, then I repeated it without having tested. I don't know how clanks/frame advantages work too.

 

[The Star King]

antdgar's charts have a billion inaccuracies, people should stop referring to them

 

[Sangoku]

Ant-D spotted for fraud. Madao is the new king.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

it was all a plan to make dk seem good