Arizona Brawl Power Rankings and Brawl Social Thread (Updated: November 2013)

[Govikings07]

Im liking the the no pools as well as what jane has been saying <3 if only we had time for more huge round robins to get more practice with other ppl than just friendlies. But would still like to try the mk ban.

 

[Jar'd]

It's applicable when you can say "ok, this is a good skill. I'm going to use it against mk now," and shortly thereafter proceed to practice it against an MK who's also been practicing his character. It's not as feasible when you practice and say "hmm, I wonder if that would work on MK? I guess I'll find out at Apex 2050," only to find out, because you weren't able to practice against him, that he has new options that you weren't aware of and weren't accurately prepared for.

You're probably right on Japan being our main barrier in being the best, but still. Losing sucks. Being not-the-best should never be the goal that you settle on.

 

[Aaven]

By the way, is there a thread for the tourney this weekend?

 

[Aaven]

Oh yeah, I'll be breaking out my diddy this weekend for the first time, I'm hoping after all my practice he's finally tourney-viable.

 

[KiraFlax]

I would say no to the two brackets. Would take too long, no doubles or side event. Also we dont want to cut out pools. Also our work load at the end of the season for PR consideration would double and thats gay. Also I vote for unity rule set. Reason im changing my mind and not being neutral is because some people ive already talked to are wanting to quit if our tournies dont go on world rankings. but the japanese rule set is so legit to me. i was thinking of combining both of them having meta banned and the japanese rule set stages. and keep the stages under the radar.

 

[Govikings07]

I would like to try the new unity ruleset. helping the counterpick system now that every character has a counterpick. Now its more about who you know how to play with rather than just having a pocket mk will be lame after all this time waiting for the mk ban that he will still be played -_-

 

[Jar'd]

I think a majority of the reason to use the Japanese rules is in an attempt to keep MK legal.

I won't make you disclose names, but I'm very interested in people who are threatening to quit if the results don't go on the world rankings. I wasn't aware people actually cared about them. If you're the best, or even a good player, people will know. Your placement on the list won't change anyone's opinion.

 

[Govikings07]

I agree with that.

also just killed me another dragon on skyrim

 

[Dark Shifter]

I might quit competitive ssbb if mk gets banned.

 

[The Sage of Shadow: Darklink]

Kira you can't keep the stages and ban MK at the same time. That is ridiculous.

Can someone give me links to all our past PR's so I can put them in the OP

If some people don't want to try two brackets. Then sometimes I feel there should be tournaments with the Japanese ruleset to experiment with it as well. Might as well since this whole game is apparently an experiment now.

 

[KiraFlax]

I do kinda care about that thing but what your saying is right jard. Im for which ever one keeps it with the least amount of sad **** disregaurding what I personally think. Maybe we should just stick to what we were gunna do in the first place. also its not like here in arizona will matter too much for not practicing meta knight. Thats why this should be brought up to the national communitee. no matter if we ban him here or not we as arizona will still go down with america, we wont hold our own against a country.

 

[Govikings07]

Az isnt know for many mks so why not stick with the Unity ruleset and ban mk?

Bryce you serious????? -_- wow

 

[KiraFlax]

I just thought about it, we should just do what we are supposed to do and do unity rule set. We need to comply to america's ruleset. we rise or fall with our country. Right here Right Now making meta not banned wont matter with the meta knight thing about our country vs. other countries. All it will do is put bad rep for the AZ scene if they found out about us so much negitivity will fall upon AZ even before we make our debut. and our debut is important as frick. We would be cut off from our country pretty much, bad rep, and still lose to out of country metas. We need to change this country not just the AZ scene.

 

[Jar'd]

If AZ isn't known for its mk's, then there is no reason to ban him.

Kira, you act like we're secret agents in rebellion. A lot of people are thinking this. Hell, there are still places that will say "screw the rules" and host mk un-banned tournaments, while still following the rest of the rules. We wouldn't be ostracized for keeping mk legal. Not to mention, our "debut" is long past. There is no debut left in us. It's simply, if someone goes out and performs well, they'll think "oh wow, there is a player in AZ who's not bad." If we continue to go out and perform poorly, they'll think the same of us.

I do like the statement though about having to change the country, not just the state. Unfortunately, I'm just the AZ random. You and Chris are the TOs and the one's with names, it's your opinions that have influence elsewhere.

 

[Govikings07]

Its the new unity ruleset so of course we will ban him.

 

[Jar'd]

I was just exemplifying that your point had absolutely no merit to it.

 

[KiraFlax]

Our crew will be going out of state and **** soon. but anyways again I would say im only on ban meta side only because i believe it will cater to more people in the az scene and less sad quitting niggas. Other than that i think not banning him is better due to our skills would increaqse more.

Also this tournament this saturday we should do the two brackets thing. or we could stick with just that big round robin with meta being banned or not banned. (preferably banned to test out and keep with unity rule set.)

 

[The Sage of Shadow: Darklink]

I'll just go to California tournaments (or Washington, or many of the other places that aren't going to ban him). As the USA continues to divide, we are falling behind.


Not banning mk = more sad, salty people, and less progression

I would say im only on ban meta side only because i believe it will cater to more people in the az scene and less sad quitting niggas. Other than that i think not banning him is better due to our skills would increaqse more.

and Kira, if we ban MK in AZ, we are going to get our **** handed to us if we go to California. Their metagame is going to progress much faster than the rest of the country relatively. We would need to go to states that have him banned too in order to stand a better chance.

Think about it Kevin. The best way for you to get better as an overall player is to play my MK consistently. Getting better and better like that, you would increase your skills in every matchup.

 

[KiraFlax]

Lol its funny how this unity rule set is acctually the division rule set.

lol chris just say nigga. If you said that in real life i would be on the floor

 

[Jar'd]

Anyone that quits over MK being banned (or not being banned) is dumb. Honestly, quitting over MK being banned is more reasonable because the people who put all the time into MK have it wasted. On the other side, you have no reason to quit because of MK staying legal, unless you're worthless and don't want to put effort to get better.

 

[Govikings07]

this is what i shouldve said jar'd: I could see it being a problem if we had many mks in az and why many would argue to why mk shouldnt be banned but we dont have half or even a quarter so it makes it easier to just ban him and continue with the unity ruleset that is given.

Would you say dont ban mk because we dont have many or too many mks?

 

[Duff0]

japan is the best place. why not do what they do

 

[KiraFlax]

lol i know seriously.

Whats the votes up to right now anyways.

 

[Govikings07]

You know why japanese players are better right?

Because they have hot *** women! Ugh i would post a hot japanese pic but im using a phone nooooooo

 

[The Sage of Shadow: Darklink]

In our state

At the very least, Kevin, Kyle and I are national players (meaning top 120 or whatever)

Kevin and Kyle get significantly better playing me (that is how Kevin even become that good). This would continue at least until they got to my skill level. If mk was banned, their potential to get better drops significantly. This is the meaning of the mk ban. Our overall state potential drops a lot. It's a big deal. The ceiling would drop from my MK to the next best character (even if it was me with another character)

This is what would happen across the country

I repeat
if we ban MK in AZ, we are going to get our **** handed to us if we go to California. Their metagame is going to progress much faster than the rest of the country relatively. We would need to go to states that have him banned too in order to stand a better chance.

 

[Jar'd]

The reason the MK ban is considered is because he has an arguably large presence on scenes. Having little effect on us, there is no major reason to ban him. This is especially true if other states, like California, have already agreed to keep him legal. At that point banning mk becomes detrimental to our scene.

 

[Jane]

hol up hol up

tourney this saturday? wat?

 

[Jar'd]

Just a small RR at Kurtis's house, unless I missed something and it's the first official one of the season or something.

 

[Jane]

ohhh ok.

carry on

 

[SFA Smiley]

Hes not a problem here and having mk banned will lag our scene while others grow. We dont need him banned... although I understand james logic of wanting to see what happens. Tucson and phx should make this season experimental. Each city has one unity and one japanese tourney. My only problem is that its so lame that a character like mine is gonna lose my cps to lame top tiers like olimar and falco. Ok mk is lame on brinstar but diddy is lame on fd. Hes still the second best character in the game...

I dont have projectiles...

 

[FoxFireMage]

I also vote for not counting the votes of people who have abysmal tournament attendance (i.e. Foxfire)

Hard to have good attendance when the day before a tourney you're about to go to, its up and moved to a location to another city cuz the TOs didn't actually plan properly...ie this past weekend. Nice to see Tucson fail at organization

If I have to choose one, MK ban. He makes the meta stagnant cuz an overwhelming amount of people use him. Let's take oh say SF2 as an example. Imagine Akuma being legal, no one would use anyone else and the meta of every other character would suffer and stagnate. Now look at Brawl...see the problem with MK?

 

[Jar'd]

Oh, cool, another references to SSF2T when you have absolutely no knowledge of what it's like.

 

[Govikings07]

Smiley i need more bacon!

 

[Jar'd]

Smiley should cook us a plate of bacon at the next tournament. That'd be real as hell.

 

[Yummy!]

we should test both and then vote for which we liked best

 

[Yoshiken96]

Actually, nothing is happening at my house anymore. I think K9 is trying to set up a round robin at Gamer's Inn but I don't know.

Also, these debates are becoming meaningless because it seems that no one is going to change their mind. My support still goes to having both tournaments in a day, and just getting rid of pools, and if that doesn't happen, then ban metaknight.

Though, if worse comes to worse, and every tournament just becomes japanese ruleset, then it doesn't bother me. I want to follow unity, not for world rankings or anything (which is a stupid reason to quit for, especially since it hasn't been updated in so long), but so that I can reach the goal I have had since the very beginning of me entering the brawl scene, which is to become one of the top 5 yoshis. If tournaments do not follow the unity ruleset, then I really will not be able to submit them.

I mean, I will probably just start running my own unity tournaments to go along with it if we do end up not banning MK with every tournament.

Anyways, I just don't have the time for long posts at the moment because of school. I have given my two cents, and so I probably will not comment about it anymore.

 

[The Sage of Shadow: Darklink]

Yoshiken, all the yoshi's and good players would know if you were a top 5 yoshi.

Do you think Mikehaze, tyrant, etc give a flying **** that since cali won't ban metaknight, he won't be on some world ranking anymore? The actual list is arbitrary. People will know regardless

 

[SFA Smiley]

Smiley i need more bacon!

I use bacon but its a zoning tool, I cant force approaches with it.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Yoshiken, all the yoshi's and good players would know if you were a top 5 yoshi.

Do you think Mikehaze, tyrant, etc give a flying **** that since cali won't ban metaknight, he won't be on some world ranking anymore? The actual list is arbitrary. People will know regardless

Not really nobody cares about az because we never leave. For example a lot of people feel kyle is a contender for #1 peach but they cant prove it because all his results are AZ.

But yeah im all for trying the jaoan ruleset or having mk banned tpurneys as experiments as long as we dont go a whole season mk banned and our mk players still come. So the data is more conclusive

 

[Govikings07]

Hahaha i know i know i got my first win with gnw in an actual tourney on my first usage i would like to have many characters listed next to my name like you and derp. Its pretty fun. Of course have to make sure theyre good enough to be played in a tournament hope youre proud. I will say gnw is my 3rd and wtf i hope lucas stays in low tier hahahaha