Legend of Zelda Archive: Theory Thread

[Spire]

I'd like to point out that you fight both Volvagia and Stallord when only half of their bodies are emerging from lava/sand.

You also defeat both by hitting their heads (well, Zant's sword in Stallord's head) with the Megaton Hammer and Master Sword respectively.

And yes, Volvagia was resurrected during the time that Link slept for 7 years in OoT. According to Goron legend, Volvagia was an ancient dragon who terrorized the Gorons, then a Goron hero stepped up and with the megaton hammer, slayed Volvagia. So if Stallord is Volvagia's remains, that may suggest that the beast has been slain four times in the known history of Zelda:
- by the Goron Hero
- by Link, the Hero of Time (in the AT)
- prior to TP, since it's a skeleton
- by Link, the Hero of Twilight

Volvagia seems to be quite a menace, continually resurrected and dispatched by Ganon and/or his forces.

 

[Charmander]

I'd like to point out that you fight both Volvagia and Stallord when only half of their bodies are emerging from lava/sand.

You also defeat both by hitting their heads (well, Zant's sword in Stallord's head) with the Megaton Hammer and Master Sword respectively.

And yes, Volvagia was resurrected during the time that Link slept for 7 years in OoT. According to Goron legend, Volvagia was an ancient dragon who terrorized the Gorons, then a Goron hero stepped up and with the megaton hammer, slayed Volvagia. So if Stallord is Volvagia's remains, that may suggest that the beast has been slain four times in the known history of Zelda:
- by the Goron Hero
- by Link, the Hero of Time (in the AT)
- prior to TP, since it's a skeleton
- by Link, the Hero of Twilight

Volvagia seems to be quite a menace, continually resurrected and dispatched by Ganon and/or his forces.

The question is, who is the person that slayed/slew/correct term volvagia prior to TP

 

[Tacel]

Volvagia Battle
Stallord Battle

There are also two other things that connect Stallord to Volvagia.
How they die and where the heart container is.

How they die:
Volvagia - Volvagia flies into the air, twisting and turning. Her body burns and her skeleton falls into the lava below. Her head drops in front of Link, still in one piece.
Stallord - Stallord floats into the air until in can not any more. Stallord's skull plummets to the ground and knocks against the walls.

They both fly into the air.
[Bold = Something we should discuss]
[Italics - If only there was something to keep that head alive for another battle...]

How you get the heart piece:
Volvagia - Her head drops in front of Link, still in one piece. It burns in a blue flame, and what remains is only a heart container.
Stallord - Stallord's skull bursts, and the Twilight Sword flies out and lands onto the platform in front of you. It breaks and the heart container is in it.

Could the sword some how have taken the heart piece out of Stallord's head?

I'd like to point out that you fight both Volvagia and Stallord when only half of their bodies are emerging from lava/sand.

Good point. I also realized that they make the same motion when they are in the ground (the big circle made by the body).
To see in gameplay, refer to previous videos in post.
In Volvagia Battle - 0:50
In Stallord Battle - 1:11

 

[Spire]

Good points, but just remember that Volvagia was fought by the Hero of Time in the Adult Timeline, not the Child Timeline which Twilight Princess takes place in.

 

[Tacel]

Oh. I thought that the Child Timeline and the Adult Timeline eventually intersected since it just depended when in time it occurred (future, past).

 

[X1-12]

Good points, but just remember that Volvagia was fought by the Hero of Time in the Adult Timeline, not the Child Timeline which Twilight Princess takes place in.

so surely ganon didn't summon volvagia in OoT (cause its adult) and thus in TP stallord can't be the volvagia should still be dead from when the goron defeated him years before OoT since he was never revived by ganon..?

 

[Spire]

so surely ganon didn't summon volvagia in OoT (cause its adult) and thus in TP stallord can't be the volvagia should still be dead from when the goron defeated him years before OoT since he was never revived by ganon..?

Actually I guess that makes sense too. So to revise how many times Volvagia has been killed:
- By the ancient Goron hero
- By Link, the Hero of Time in OoT
- By Link in TP (as Stallord, who is the fossilized skeleton of Volvagia from when it was killed by the Goron hero ages ago)

I would love to see a game centered around this ancient Goron hero.

 

[Tacel]

Darmani was a Goron hero, and we never knew of why he was one.
But he was in Termina, so does that completely rule him out, or could he have left?

 

[Clownbot]

I don't think so, TAL. When the Goron hero is mentioned it's said that Darunia is a descendant of him and that the story was from long ago.

 

[Spire]

I don't think so, TAL. When the Goron hero is mentioned it's said that Darunia is a descendant of him and that the story was from long ago.

That and Darmani died just prior to MM in his attempt to stop the curse at Snowhead. And, Darmani is the Terminan counterpart to Darunia, not the ancient Goron hero.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

You know how sometimes you have dreams and in those dreams things happen that relate to the previous day?
Well, here are some things that support the dream theory (as much as I hope that Termina's real)
Similarities:
Termina / Hyrule
Odolwa battle / Gerudo battles
Goht battle / King Dodongo battle
Gyorg battle / Morpha battle
Twinmold battle / Leevers
Clock Town / Castle Town
Woodfall / Death Mountain
Snowhead / Freezards
Romani Ranch / Lon Lon Ranch
Woods of Mystery / Lost Woods
Woodfall Temple / Forest Temple
Great Bay Temple / Water Temple
Collecting Fairies / Collecting Golden Skulltulas

And there's the simple matches, such as...
Gorons / Gorons
Zoras / Zoras
Great Fairy / Great Fairy
(ect.)

so your thought is these PARALLEL worlds are similar so its a dream. the thing is PARALLEL worlds are always similar but slightly different. by no means and in no way is termina a dream.

now i also want to point out that people were saying if it was a dream why is there no kokiri in mm, i want u all to look at tingle. He dresses like them he talks about fairies and i believe also talked about forest children. so there if its a dream(which it is not) tingle is the kokiri children (also he is old but never grew up kinda).

also for it not being a dream termina is far more fleshed out in many aspects then the hyrule in Oot it would be strange for a dream to be far more detailed then reality

 

[Tacel]

I don't think that Termina was a dream, but I'd say that someone wearing a magic mask bringing down a moon with a face that cries in three days is strange.

You have a point by saying that Termina is way too detailed to be a dream.

 

[lanky_gunner]

I don't think Volvagia and Stallord are the same creature.

For one thing, their sizes are greatly different. Whereas Volvagia's head was as big as Link, Stallord's eyes are as big as Link. You also have the fact Stallord is located in the Gerudo Desert. Volvagia was all the way over in Death Mountain, on the opposite side of Hyrule. Don't you think it would be a bit tedious to have moved the corpse all the way over there?

Anyway, I think Stallord is what his name implies, that he is the Lord of all Stalfos.

 

[X1-12]

Don't you think it would be a bit tedious to have moved the corpse all the way over there?

Anyway, I think Stallord is what his name implies, that he is the Lord of all Stalfos.

maybe he got thrown there by a volcanic eruption?


meh whatever i'm open to the possibilities of being king dodongo or volvagia or neither really

 

[Phantom7]

I don't think Volvagia and Stallord are the same creature.

For one thing, their sizes are greatly different. Whereas Volvagia's head was as big as Link, Stallord's eyes are as big as Link. You also have the fact Stallord is located in the Gerudo Desert. Volvagia was all the way over in Death Mountain, on the opposite side of Hyrule. Don't you think it would be a bit tedious to have moved the corpse all the way over there?

Anyway, I think Stallord is what his name implies, that he is the Lord of all Stalfos.

Well, Stallord is probably so much bigger to enhance that particular boss fight -- simply as a game mechanic. When their basic structure is as similar as it is between the two, size isn't a major factor. Just look at the Stalfos in each game -- they are often redesigned and scaled up and down, but we recognize them as Stalfos the moment we encounter them regardless of their exact size. This also applies to Dodongos, ReDeads, and even Ganon.

Also, when Volvagia was fought at Death Mountain in OoT, that occured in the Adult Timeline, after he was revived, and the Stallord battle took place in the Child timeline, in which he was never revived. I'm not sure why the remains are in Gerudo Desert, maybe it was a burial ground of some sort.

I doubt it's a "Lord of the Stalfos" as you believe, though, because of the shape of his skull. It's shaped much more similarly to a dragon, rather than a human, with a long, flat jaw like a lizard and four large horns.

 

[Spire]

Then again, the Stalfos' skulls in TP weren't exactly human. Though because there are absolutely no living creatures that resembled them, it could be inferred that the skulls are distorted upon one being cursed as a Stalfos.

 

[Phantom7]

Possibly, but they resemble humans more than anything else, and like I said, they're going to change things simply for game design.

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

I wonder if there are any Stalfos women...

 

[Kingdom Come]

I wonder if Stalfos were people who were revived from the dead, or people who willingly became corrupt and evil and that shaped them to be the way they are.

 

[X1-12]

I wonder if there are any Stalfos women...

i imagine they arejust reincarnated warriors or something.. like how they often rise from the ground in OoT, well the child ones do (stalchildren? i think..) and the sword and sheild are definately human weapons

@kingdom come,
tbh both are possible, the fact that lots of them are found in the shadow temple (behind the graveyard) and the other hotspot is the forest temple (inhabited by 4 ghosts) makes me think they are reincarnated people

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

Well, I suppose there HAS to be women Stalfos. As said in OoT, "EVERYONE who enters the Lost Woods gets lost. And EVERYONE becomes a Stalfos." They just look like really muscular skeletal type creatures.

 

[Spire]

Well, I suppose there HAS to be women Stalfos. As said in OoT, "EVERYONE who enters the Lost Woods gets lost. And EVERYONE becomes a Stalfos." They just look like really muscular skeletal type creatures.

What does it even matter in the slightest? Stalfos are just skeletal enemies that don't take the typical, overused name "Skeleton".

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

What does it even matter?

It doesnt.

 

[Tacel]

I doubt that these are completely human.
Check out the:
- Extension to temporal bone
- Incisors
- There aren't any molars on the top jaw
- Concave frontal bone
- Long spine from rib cage to skull
- No tailbone
- Leg structure (how it stands)
- I don't see a clavicle

These can't be human.

May I also point out the eye? There's a glowing green sphere that's similar to Stallord's red eye.
What could green mean? Could red represent a fiery dragon?

 

[Masky]

They also have huge fangs, lol

 

[X1-12]

I doubt that these are completely human.
Check out the:
- Extension to temporal bone
- Incisors
- There aren't any molars on the top jaw
- Concave frontal bone
- Long spine from rib cage to skull
- No tailbone
- Leg structure (how it stands)
- I don't see a clavicle

These can't be human.

More human than anything else surely? Perhaps they were a previous evolution of what is now humans?

Also the second joint in the legs looks like a dog or wolf's leg.. perhaps suggesting lycanthropy? also the teeth seem to match (not sure about a wolfs teeth though :/)

Tail bone is odd though, perhaps they are some sort of genetic mix of people and wolves?


Ideas:


Human:
Ribcage
Arms
Spine
Pelvis
Sword and Shield and Clothes

Wolf/Dog:
Teeth
legs

 

[Phantom7]

Of course, there is always the possibility that Zelda is a fantasy that simply uses skeleton-like enemies with slight changes for originality and design to make it more interesting without the need for detailed logic. Just look at how Stalfos have evolved:

OoT

WW

TP

Notice the drastic but insignificant alterations between them? It's simply for design so that the games will have more variety.

 

[SkylerOcon]

I think that, like the world map design, enemy design really doesn't hold much merit in Zelda and twhen trying to talk about them, we should just focus on the details the story may give us (if any) and the names. Looking at the actual design won't really do much when it varies so much from game to game, in some cases.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

OK, my theory on termina,that spire requested. This is the theory I thought of a while back about termina being hyrule in the future. But I have been thinking and adding and subtracting parts to this theory. That theory is what I have named "The illusion of twilight". Allow me to explain, I have now grown to think that, not only the bad shiekah are in the twilight realm, but so are the good shiekah. Those of wich we know as the ikana, by this I am speculating that the good shiekah where dragged in to the twilight realm aswell, because of the bad doings of there twisted bretherin. Many years later a boy(Link) has been chosen by the ikana as the nobel hero that must get the word out to the people of hyrule of there future. So they sent him to a world... a world that was created by there magic that is based of a future of hyrule, but this simulation of the world is actually co-existing with hyrule, to show link what is to come. hence the illusion of twilight. This is one theory, expect the one I seem to like more soon. until then dudes!

 

[Kingdom Come]

Dude, that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Also, if you could, please try to space things out instead of making it one big brick wall of words.

 

[Ganonsburg]

Dude, that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I hate to say it, but I agree. I think the only thing I understood is that you think the good and bad Sheikah alike were sent to the TR. I read it three times or so and it didn't really make any more sense than the first time. I really tried.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

I hate to say it, but I agree. I think the only thing I understood is that you think the good and bad Sheikah alike were sent to the TR. I read it three times or so and it didn't really make any more sense than the first time. I really tried.

Lol, I know that is only a vivid thought, I am still wondering about how to write the good theory. So my apologies, besides I had to hurry up cuz my laptop was dieing on me. But the main point of that pile of **** was that the ikana are warning link of hyrules future.
If you still dont get it, you probably havent seen my base thory that termina is hyrules future. I speculate this because if you have noticed, Termina seems to be much more technologically advanced than hyrule such as; clocks.

There are no clocks in hyrule. Also teemina is only one letter of from terminaL. Terminal is a stopping point, A point that ends your "journey". Wich is exactly what was suppose to happen to termina.

 

[Ganonsburg]

Lol, I know that is only a vivid thought, I am still wondering about how to write the good theory. So my apologies, besides I had to hurry up cuz my laptop was dieing on me. But the main point of that pile of **** was that the ikana are warning link of hyrules future.
If you still dont get it, you probably havent seen my base thory that termina is hyrules future. I speculate this because if you have noticed, Termina seems to be much more technologically advanced than hyrule such as; clocks.

There are no clocks in hyrule. Also teemina is only one letter of from terminaL. Terminal is a stopping point, A point that ends your "journey". Wich is exactly what was suppose to happen to termina.

Ah, okay. I have read your theory about Termina being Hyrule's future. I can't say I agree with it, but I can't really say that about many Zelda theories anyway. I love reading Zelda theories because they're interesting to think about and very imaginative most of the time, but even some of my favorites don't have tons of evidence. It's just the nature of the Zelda universe.

If you can, I would like to see some more details on your Ikana Warning theory.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

Ah, okay. I have read your theory about Termina being Hyrule's future. I can't say I agree with it, but I can't really say that about many Zelda theories anyway. I love reading Zelda theories because they're interesting to think about and very imaginative most of the time, but even some of my favorites don't have tons of evidence. It's just the nature of the Zelda universe.

If you can, I would like to see some more details on your Ikana Warning theory.

But I thaught you guys agreed it was a pile of poop ????

 

[Ganonsburg]

But I thaught you guys agreed it was a pile of poop ????

So far, yeah. But you might as well continue now that you've started. I can't say that the main idea (Termina =Hyrule's future) will check out, but it may turn out you have other ideas in your theory that may work. And if not, it's an interesting story in the very least.

 

[Tacel]

I speculate this because if you have noticed, Termina seems to be much more technologically advanced than hyrule such as; clocks.

Not to mention something that I found very interesting in Majora's Mask.
The Great Bay Temple.
That place has gears and lights and pumps everywhere.
This should be discussed. Why is Termina so futuristic?

 

[Spire]

Not to mention something that I found very interesting in Majora's Mask.
The Great Bay Temple.
That place has gears and lights and pumps everywhere.
This should be discussed. Why is Termina so futuristic?

Because it's an alternate dimension so none of Hyrule's rules apply.

Unless you're AngryMoblyn and think that Termina is future Hyrule.

 

[Tacel]

Because it's an alternate dimension so none of Hyrule's rules apply.

Unless you're AngryMoblyn and think that Termina is future Hyrule.

I just think that it's strange that one place is futuristic but the rest is not.

Other than the clocks.

 

[Beware the Jabberwocky]

It's not that futuristic. I mean, the gears, the pumps, etc. all run via water power and clockwork... like most of Termina. It just looks futuristic thanks to Termina's whacky color schemes.

 

[AngryMoblyn1881]

Because it's an alternate dimension so none of Hyrule's rules apply.

Unless you're AngryMoblyn and think that Termina is future Hyrule.

LOL

But I havent seen any of you make any flaws for it yet? I mean it is plausable, I just like to think out side the box. Because to me the alternate universe fact doesnt cut it. I mean what if it is still an alternate univese, but one in which is further along in its own timeline? Isnt that another possability?