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Are you suggesting that wam and I are scum together because we both happen to post at the same time of day? Or am I missing something here?Votes:
Mala -> Mala (1)
Ryker -> Xivii (1)
Laser -> Bessie (1)
Xivii -> Vicarin (1)
Ryker -> Vicarin (2)
Wam -> Sabrar (1)
Eido - > Bessie (2)
Mala -> Vicarin (3)
Frozen -> Red Ryu (1)
Red Ryu -> Vicarin (4)
Eido -> Unvote
Wam -> fonti (1)
Eido -> Xivii (1)
Xivii -> Wam (1)
Eido -> Sabrar (1)
Mala -> Unvote Vicarin (2)
Bessie -> Ryker (1)
Xivii -> Sabrar (2)
fonti -> Sabrar (3)
fonti -> Wam (1)
Sabrar -> Xivii (1)
Laser -> Wam (2)
Wam -> Xivii (2)
Ryker -> Sabrar (3)
Xivii -> Unvote UP (2)
Frozen -> UP (3)
UP -> Unvote Xivii (1)
Ryker -> Wam (3)
Red Ryu -> Bessie (1)
Xivii -> UP (3)
UP -> Wam (4)
Xivii -> Laser (1)
UP -> Maven (1)
Somi -> UP (2)
fonti -> Laser (2)
Bessie -> Laser (3)
Maven -> Laser (4)
Laser -> Maven (2)
Wam -> Maven (3)
UP -> Wam (2)
Frozen -> Wam (3)
Wam -> fonti (1)
Laser -> Xivii (1)
Somi -> Unvote UP (0)
Maven -> Unvote Laser (3)
Maven -> Mala (1)
Maven -> Unvote Mala (0)
Eido -> Wam (4)
If I'm missing something, let me know.
LaserGuy kind of weird that you called Wam town for his vote not following people, when his vote followed you.
I'm going to come back to this a bit later. I'm not ignoring you, just this may take awhile to explain and my spider sense is tingling about something else that I feel may be more important. Remind me if I forget.If you are town, you have the ability to convince me. It is something I'm considering or I wouldn't bother talking to you, I'd just telling Xivii and Ryker to yeet you now.
I do not believe I am interpreting Wam or you in bad faith, and I will need specific example of where you believe my interpretation is wrong (for either him or you, whatever you prefer to talk about).
I am also interested in hearing your explanation for your Maven read in #326. Why didn't you respond to Sabrar when he asked you about this in #327?I feel Xivii is getting desperate if he wants wam's help to yeet me while he himself is voting wam. He's not even reacting to the points I made.
- he wants flavor claim with an argument that makes no sense and for which there is no town-motivation
- he lives in the moment and doesn't have progression from his past self. This is shown a) by him discarding entirely his page 1 read on bessie in favor of a 'not voting' sus (which he should know from Sumthing - that he likes to bring up - is not relevant) and b) by not remembering what his earlier stance on the claiming was.
- he misrepresents my attack on him by wanting to get favors with Eido (wrong because timeline). Also Malak independently had the same suspicion as me and because of that this should be taken as a legit read. However he's not acknowledging that, he treats Malak gently because he's confirmed but he's attributing malice to me.
Correct I don’t do RVS so my vote would have been serious. I wait on my vote a little while so that others can do RVS if they want. I’m still stuck in the mind set that once someone places a serious vote, RVS is over and players are expected to remove or justify their RVS vote. You know this because you played there. I've explained that here before too.The thing is, I knew you were going to vote Ryker as soon as it was the second page and he had ignored your question. So I was surprised that you didn't vote when you came back. Also, you keep framing this as if there was RVS, but it was over halfway into the first page which has been fairly common, and you already had something you were suspicious of so it wouldn't have been random.
Original post:This is the one I'm referring to:
What was your intention?
The quote you're referring to is #749. My intent was point out that UP was buddying fonti. Re the underlined, I had commented on this before:Bessie - I'm going back and forth on bessie. I'd like to wait until she responds to my meta question before going into this. I remember bessie trying to challenge someone's town read and that was suspicious. Actually, now that I think about it, really suspicious. Because it was on UP, someone she hadn't really been commenting on before. So as I'm writing this, I'm edging closer to the side of scum bessie.
#739Malakandara is mod confirmed town. Who is “everyone” on your list? At the time you made this post, I was voting for Ryker. Just going back one page to Page 13, Vicarin’s list Post #494 does not agree, he has Xivii and Maven near the bottom. So your “everyone” seems to be a select group of people. Or perhaps by everyone you actually mean fonti?
#749I went back one page to see where you were getting the idea that everyone agreed with you, and easily found an example that didn’t. I think your posts #549 and #552 were more about trying to reinforce the idea in everyone’s mind that your views are the town consensus ( implying you are town and those that don’t agree aren’t town) and also about buddying fonti.
And no I hadn't commented on Sabrar because I was still formulating my read when UP replaced.Or your reads align with fonti’s, not fonti's align with yours.
Like really? He’s not pushing very hard, he’s pushing very carefully. But perhaps he will push harder now, now that he sees it meets with your approval.
Ok.I'm not sure what you mean with regard to my responses.
Any particular reason you didn't mention this sooner?
Did Osie suggest you format your reads in this manner? I would still like to see a top-to-bottom ordered list from you.Yeah will do ^ Going back to this:
Ryker / Fontisian / Xivii / Sabrar
^ They have set the stage. In Sabrar's case, I've been voting him, but he did put forward a discussion on Xivii that others have used as a talking point.
Red Ryu / Wam / Bessie
^ Feels in their own lane. Their points don't feel part of the wider group chat to me. I think Mafia could fake it here.
Frozenflame / Somitomi / Vicarin / LaserGuy / Maven
^ These are players who haven't advanced the group chat with anything new, or they come across as reacting more to the events around them / catching up. I think Mafia could fake it here.
The red is the player pool I would support with a vote right now.
NOBODY READ THIS IT'S A RAMBLING STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESSCorrect I don’t do RVS so my vote would have been serious. I wait on my vote a little while so that others can do RVS if they want. I’m still stuck in the mind set that once someone places a serious vote, RVS is over and players are expected to remove or justify their RVS vote. You know this because you played there. I've explained that here before too.
What did you mean?
Thank you, I see your flow of thought now. The response to Fonti is still scum indicative, however. You were trying to pick at her read.
And this:bessie comes off townier given her reaction to me blowing off her deflective answer to me calling her post the fluffiest in the game. I don't think scum!bessie says "wow look at FF trying to dodge opining on maven" as if I should have known that in her eyes, maven could be attacked on the same grounds. very strange narrowing of the possible rebuttal against my slot if she's scum. She could just have easily said "wow look at FF ignoring me because his attack was bad and he knows it" when instead she jumped to the conclusion that I was trying to avoid addressing maven's slot which feels like town!bessie projecting her own comparison of herself against other slots onto my thought process without realizing it and getting a mistaken but understandable scum ping from it as a result
Both bessie and Frozen tried to discredit Fonti's UP town read. They are both trying to keep him as a play.I don't think scum!UP has any problem pushing against town consensus when his slot is a real play consideration for a few slots. from my limited experience with scum!UP, he doesn't play aggro scum unless thunderdome'd or setting up a thunderdome is a necessary path to endgame. I'd expect to see more subtle FUD tactics coming from scum!UP in earlygame and I think his current play is consistent with that. UP's scum game I think revolves around subtle suggestion, getting people to doubt themselves without realizing its UP's commentary doing it. I think you're underestimating scum!UP having such early confidence that he's expressing genuine feelings here because to me, UP comes off as having an intentionally disarming approach which tracks with scum!UP imo
And I don't know how you spend an entire post showing how someone is scum just to say he's going to improve over time.ultimately upon re-read the slot is less towny than I originally thought and am not opposed to a lynch here but given how Laser has been playing I think he will become easier to read as time goes on whereas I don't see that being the case for Wam at all
This still makes no sense.not really opposed to mass claim, I don't think Chaco would lie about randomizing the alignments and my role could just as easily be a scum role as it would still have utility in that capacity so from my limited POV randomization checks out
I'm reading his reasoning and defense but I do not see this.Xivii's right in that everything he said had a backdoor built into it. Most recently, he's just largely been more focused on continuing arguments (Bessie color shenanigans and defending himself against Xivii) than actually progressing toward something. Off the top of my head, I can recall him asking Eido for a read list and asking Wam a mechanical question.
Without looking back through the thread, tell me who Laser wants to yeet and why.I'm reading his reasoning and defense but I do not see this.
I think he is trying to flesh out his reads and get something going, more so he does not like Xivii play this game. Only major issue I got with Xivii myself is the speculation on character claims which is weak sauce.
I get the color thing being weak, I didn't agree with that either. But I think his push was legit thinking he caught a potential slip. Even Xivii pushed Bessie a bit on that earlier. Has he been pushing that as a main talking point still? I don't think he has. More so his posts imply his main pushing point is Bessie fits a scum meta with not much for content despite walls of posts.
I do not think Bessie has been considering your play in mind when trying to analyze you. Rather posturing at the time.
The other stuff I did not read deep into but I do think laserguy is trying to develop reads and find scum this game.
Oh, I had forgotten you were in that game. Did you follow along closely after you died?Laser, the game was the crossover game we had on your site. I got night killed N1 in it. But either way, it’s irrelevant, because my read on you is not based on meta, as I’ve already declared.
I can try no promises I will be here at this time, I will be voting + maybe disc golf with furries.FYI I will be gone this weekend starting on Friday at 3 P.M. EST. So rather than having your IC be away for the final day, I propose we make the deadline Thursday at 6 P.M. EST artificially. Then just hammer who ever has plurality at that time. Thoughts?
I will also be working on compiling all my notes and thoughts so far into a somewhat concise list that I will post tomorrow.
Maybe we artificially deadline tomorrow as proposed, if so we work on the yeeting and pushing.I'm getting real bored while waiting for new stimuli. Probably going to try and ISO another player tonight or tomorrow, but damn am I tired of the waiting period before deadline gets close enough for people to be realistic with their votes.
if you need time for yourself I recommend you might consider replacing out. I’ve been in that spot the past few weeks. It’s just mafia if you don’t feel that fire. Don’t force it if you do not feel the urge.Yeah and then I lied to Sabrar about the cop result on Xivii he sent me only for Xiv to die and flip scum right after. That was fun...
Ok, so you're saying the mason chat might involve people who don't know each other's alignment? Can some DGames regular tell me if that's considered normal (or possible) around here? Assuming it is, what do you think of Ryker's alignment then? Is town-Ryker vouching for the alignment of the penpal for some reason? Or is scum-Ryker hoping town-penpal dies first, giving them conftown status?
We're gonna have a scramble anyway, just embrace the chaos.
On a serious note, Wam yes, some of his posts (particularly their take on Ryker's claim) pinged me, Laserguy probably not.
I did question the mason claim, but came to the conclusion that it's likely true given Ryker's offer to claim in their very first post and their behavior.
Yeah, I've been generally somewhat demotivated lately and it's not helping me play mafia (or do any of the other things I want to or should).
I still need Fonti to answer because that's what I was asked to do.Laser, the game was the crossover game we had on your site. I got night killed N1 in it. But either way, it’s irrelevant, because my read on you is not based on meta, as I’ve already declared.
I still need Ryker to answer Malakakaksk question
How sure are you about the Bessie thing? You don't have to answer right now, but I think there's some stuff pointing against Bessie/Laser and I want to get into that before eod if you think both are scum.