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I believe the only role claims are Mala's (pathfinder) and Maven's (Caustic). I'd like to know yours since we already know your role.
I vaguely recall, but I can't seem to find it. I would think scum!sabrar would be more careful about openly indie hunting. Also UP is being very innocent right now with the bessie mason thing and the never seeing maven scum.
Town Xivii.
Mason claim or alternative had to be in the works from the beginning, fishing argument is out.Awesome. Who wants to seeXivii
Vote Xivii
On a more serious note: I do have an offer for you. I'll claim if you'll reciprocate. I don't want to have to deal with you all game and pinning you to a role you have to back should make it easier to keep you in my friends folder.
Mason hint.
Mason hint.
Buddying.
Do you have an issue with me being defensiveVicarin ? Do you have an issue with me pushing for a mass claim? Are you going to take action or are you going to continue to bemuse yourself with reading decade old games?
I don't actually subscribe to this line of thought unless
Chill.
Vic/Wam not W/W.
Possible w/w with Bessie.
Approach oriented start, finding his footing.
Dislike.
Self-justifying.
Likely accurate but boring reads.
The vibes, they are bad.
Maybe not Sabrar/Wam w/w. Check in on ignoring.
Vaguely positive vibes.
Hated the "legit" at the time, which is why this is flagged. Felt like him admitting to being scum, but justifying the not voting opinion as real anyway. But with the role claim, it makes sense that he was avoiding voting early because of the vote lock, and my impression of stating the opinion was real regardless was correct, but not scum indicative.
Kind of bleh opinions and language, not even clearing if Ryu is scum.LaserGuy : Let's see:
Ryker - Would normally read him as scum pushing a poor strategy for town rather abrasively but going by some of the local's reactions this seems... remarkably in character for him so I'm not sure what to make of him.
Xivii - Usually would randomly switch votes around early, so not that fussed about him initially voting for me, perfectly normal behaviour by him when he wants to apply pressure. Actually kinda interesting that Ryker jumped in with their vote on me within the same minute that Xivii did his. Otherwise, the most eyecatching thing that they did was come up with a possible role and alignment for each character listed as being in the game, despite thinking that it is not alignment indicative.... Seems like a waste of time to me and appearing to be doing something useful when it really isn't.
Malakandra - Good Bot, asked by Ryker to join.
Red Ryu - Quite suspect, jumps in as 4th vote as "assisting the push" and then wants everyone to provide reasons to not join the wagon, as if joining it should be the default choice? Seems to be hoping to build up enough momentum to get me into a lynchable situation quickly before any other options present themselves.
I will never know why this mattered.
I normally would say wam but I've got one town-ping from him this game and my first choice for lynch wants him dead. That's enough to make me reconsider. I have no specific scum-pings from others, I think Vic is town and so are you. Eido is doing well for a newbie, fonti is differently town than in previous scum-games. I have no idea where Xivii gets his locktown read on Ryu, if I had to choose someone else right now it would be him because he's done nothing useful this game. And on that note
Chaco : request mod-prod on Red Ryu
PS: I'm okay with Sab, or Sabrar. Please don't call me Sabby.
It's not 'hunting' per say as in I'm not spending time to deliberately look for indies. Xivii's play however is not town-motivated and is most consistent with Lyncher.
Yes, the same argument was used by FrozenFlame in Crossover, denying the existence of Survivors and Bombs. Incidentally we had a Survivor Bomb in that game. So forgive me if I don't take your meta-read for granted.
Logic for townreading feels bad. Too easy.
I'm not reading it as towny as you are, I think, except for the Maven stuff, maybe. I liked the reactions to me. I'm willing to give him space to work.
I have no idea, lol.
Xivii
, I think Laser's content is just kind of fine? He's not as towny as he was at the beginning of Things I Like, but that can be explained by more limited time and him not being in a tunnel. His actual reads whenever I go over them seem perfectly fine. I'm not clearing him, the pressure is useful, but I'm not interested in joining you there right now.
I also liked these points from Laser. He has every reason to doubt me as much as he wants as scum. If he's scared I'd push back, he could instead try to placate and townread me. This is a very strange middle ground that feels real in its complexity.
Bessie might be a mason, based on how Ryker interacted with her. I wouldn't let the possibility affect how you choose to push. Go with your feelings. If Bessie is town, and you push her, the push itself might help you two townread each other anyway.
It's this one that I like:
I also think he's indie at best (worst?) based on the players pushing/not pushing him. Specifically, if LaserGuy is mafia, I don't think Sabrar is mafia because of how fence sitty Laser was being with the wagon. I think in that situation, scum Laser would have felt pressured to vote as he was with wam. I do think that list of town/scum reads from Sabrar is weird though.
This part in the post you quoted is also no good. He's keeping you open as an option even though you're obvtown. He's not willing to commit. And the questions he's asked me have no really umph to them. No followupness.
Your priorities confuse and frighten me, sir.
UtopianPoyzin
who's your character?
Yeah, you're right, that's a good post from UP.
Mirage
I can answer this while drunk, so yes. I intended to claim while having something to add through content to offset it, I failed in my duty to the game so I claimed early so I could at least add something to itMaven89 , in case you don't see my earlier question, I would like to know what you said "I will almost definitely be claiming before the end of the day," here instead of just claiming? Was there a reason you were waiting?
This could actually be towny from Sabrar. Like, I was asking him to elaborate and instead he just kind of stuck to his guns, and that attitude tends to come from town who feel like they've already been clear more often than not.
So you're saying you're a wolf?
Yeah, basically all of the things Laser chose to respond to here were pointless, the exception being the thing about Bessie.
Are you certain your shadow vote is real and not a pseudovote? Since this is in line with what I predicted earlier, I'm going to assume you're 3rd party and that one of your votes doesn't actually do anything.
True, it's more the wording I think: "I actually kind of agree." It just doesn't seem natural to me, especially considering he had already posted this: "I have a marginal Town lean on her at the moment." It's like scum faking progression but getting the temporality wrong.
Eido's body of work as a whole reads like new town, I think. It's fairly relaxed and inquisitive, not self-conscious, and solving oriented. He's especially focused on trying to figure out which player's reads on other players can be trusted, presumably so he can build his own reads from them.I'm interested in that Wam meta description too please!
Can you explain for players like me who would be unfamiliar here? You seem to know Sabrar.
You've articulated your suspicion on Xivii but haven't committed with a vote yet. Is there a reason you're holding your vote?
So, I'm not confused by your strategy involving flavour.
But there are snippets in the way you talk about it that look like an opportunity to find oddly specific information, like the identity of Revenant.
So it's making me question whether you're doing this for the interest of Town, or for selfish reasons, and I'm thinking about why that's important.
Let me know what you have to say.
Mmm, yeah, I can see that. There's a chance the post was simply written out of order though.
It be real
Xivii
, I'd like to hear your response to this.Interesting. Your interest in a mass claim and some of your other comments make a lot of sense in this context.
I'm not sure we can be friends anymore though.
I'm a little surprised she didn't take more offense. Bessie typically prides herself on having high-quality content, and for good reason... she usually does.
FWIW, I do not believe that Sabrar replaces out here because he's mafia and isn't happy with how the game is going. I've seen him tough out some pretty ****ty situations as mafia before.
At this point, probably yes. Doublevoter is usually a town-aligned role but this setup seems a been off-kilter so I don't think it is unavoidable for it to go the other way. I don't know if we can safely keep Sabrar/UP slot to endgame without a firm clear on them though.
I don't know it for certain, no, but I have a reasonable suspicion of it being the case based on other games I've played here and elsewhere that use a similar system. It was obvious to me that it was a real mod-comment being both bolded and Town colored, so I found it strange that you did not pick up on this and felt the need to clarify.
I take it you have forgotten Alien Warfare mafia? We practically solved the entire game just based entirely who knew what about which other faction.
Related to the above. I wanted to see if the information you had matched the information that I did.
I have played one game with Wam. My type of play focuses on mindset, where I attempt to put myself in another person's shoes, as much as possible, and understand their play from their perspective. Failing that, I instead categorized them into a player archetype, and assess their behavior within that framework.
The kind of consistency in reads is actually what I aim for. I want us to be right and on the same page, and squeeze scum out. Also, Mala is clear, Ryker claimed Mason, and I'm me, so of course everyone's going to be townreading us.
Wait, so Ryker claimed mason but NOT bessie? Interesting
I think it's a good thing, as long as we are cognizant of how we may be being fooled. In the last game, I won in part by shoving town into ripping each other apart ad by undermining trust in any one towncircle. Here, we will find success by sure everyone understands why people are in the town circle, and by relying on other town to check ourselves.
I saw a fair bit of that earlier. Let me pull the quotes.
and
as proper reads, which seems debatable.
So, why not at least label fontisian as 'tone, not much content', instead of just 'tone'?
Both of these pinged me, but Font has provided much more in terms of the process behind how the slot's reads are formed. Isolated, not that bad, but it is a thing I am going to file away for the future based on how Font (and Xivii given the placing on Vic's readlist). Honestly, I really just don't like Vic very much after that read list.
Play however you want. As long as you give me time before hammer, I will make sure we never hit my mason partner.
Would you say there's a noticeable drop in quality this game then? How do you feel about the offerings from that slot so far? Forgive me if you've updated me on the slot recently and I've forgotten.
