Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

[Opossum]

Not much Chrom talk this weekend. We should fix that.

 

[Hong]

Not much Chrom talk this weekend. We should fix that.

He's having a fun time in the general character discussion thread, as always.

 

[Opossum]

Figured he'd get into trouble this weekend. Maybe my post there can ease it up a bit.

 

[Hong]

Hey. I thought my idea for a romance-based fighter could be pretty funny.

 

[False Sense]

Hey. I thought my idea for a romance-based fighter could be pretty funny.

It may be funny, but I think it would be rather unfitting. Chrom isn't really a comical or romantic character. He definitely has his comical and romantic moments, but for the most part he's a pretty serious character. I think the only characters that should have a comical play style like that are the characters that are designed to be comedic, like Wario.

 

[Hong]

It may be funny, but I think it would be rather unfitting. Chrom isn't really a comical or romantic character. He definitely has his comical and romantic moments, but for the most part he's a pretty serious character. I think the only characters that should have a comical play style like that are the characters that are designed to be comedic, like Wario.

I thought we stopped caring about this starting from Captain Falcon.

 

[False Sense]

I thought we stopped caring about this starting from Captain Falcon.

Fair point, but I don't think Captain Falcon was intentionally designed to be comical. He just kind of ended up that way with his ridiculous, over-the-top battle cries.

 

[Hong]

Honestly, I'm just messing with you.

Leak aside, I'd expect the Chorus Men before I would expect a "Wyvern In Heat Chrom" as a playable character.

 

[Morian]

Not much Chrom talk this weekend. We should fix that.

Gonna try it. I think Chrom's render it can be this one:

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Or this:

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According to Pac-Man, Palutena and Greninja lazy poses (the same as their official art). Still hope for an improved pose, but eh, I'm fine with this ones they seem cool enough. Better they don't picture Chrom in a phallic sword pose like Brawl's Ike (that bother me every time I see it and worse, the face is not in a good angle).

 

[mini paincakes]

Is it me, or has Chrom been getting a lot of unnecessary hate lately? It's fine to not like a character, but the "blue hair and a sword" argument seems a bit contrived rather than a real reason for hate. I might be in the minority, but I feel that Chrom still looks noticeably different from Marth and Ike despite sharing a few aesthetic similarities. Ike looks more distinguished than ever before thanks to his new workout plan the Radiant Dawn redesign, Marth has his elegant robes and feminine facial features that make him stand out, and Chrom has a similar "tattered badass" look that Ike does, but looks more "suave" and less "macho" while doing it. The Fire Emblem trio doesn't look any more alike than Mario does with Wario or Peach does with Rosalina .

Anyways, I'm pretty happy that Chrom is almost guaranteed at getting in at this point. He was definitely one of my favorite Characters in Awakening and easily the most popular too. The only character who really hold a candle to his popularity are Lucina and possibly Robin, who really have less merit to be included than Chrom.

So... Yeah. Super psyched to play as Chrom and hopefully a lot of the hate will go away once he's revealed.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Pretty sure the hate didn't just start "lately".

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Pretty sure the hate didn't just start "lately".

It's been there for quite awhile yes. Just ask the more hardcore FE fans what they think of Chrom

Half love him and his game, half of them absolutely despise him and Awakening as a whole

 

[Morbi]

Is it me, or has Chrom been getting a lot of unnecessary hate lately? It's fine to not like a character, but the "blue hair and a sword" argument seems a bit contrived rather than a real reason for hate. I might be in the minority, but I feel that Chrom still looks noticeably different from Marth and Ike despite sharing a few aesthetic similarities. Ike looks more distinguished than ever before thanks to his new workout plan the Radiant Dawn redesign, Marth has his elegant robes and feminine facial features that make him stand out, and Chrom has a similar "tattered badass" look that Ike does, but looks more "suave" and less "macho" while doing it. The Fire Emblem trio doesn't look any more alike than Mario does with Wario or Peach does with Rosalina .

Anyways, I'm pretty happy that Chrom is almost guaranteed at getting in at this point. He was definitely one of my favorite Characters in Awakening and easily the most popular too. The only character who really hold a candle to his popularity are Lucina and possibly Robin, who really have less merit to be included than Chrom.

So... Yeah. Super psyched to play as Chrom and hopefully a lot of the hate will go away once he's revealed.

I would argue that most of the potential Fire Emblem Awakening Newcomers have merit that is seemingly equivalent myself. I do not necessarily believe that people do not want Chrom because he is a blue-haired Lord. It probably has more to do with Fire Emblem being poorly represented in Smash collectively. If we never had Roy or Ike, I highly doubt most would be opposed to Chrom.

 

[Oblivion129]

There's only hate in the smash communities, though. I think it's because people here see Chrom as a Fire Emblem rep rather than Chrom. So he constantly gets compared to Marth and Ike.
If Chrom was the first announced FE character for smash 4 it would have been a lot better for him, like it was for Ike in Brawl.

 

[mini paincakes]

Pretty sure the hate didn't just start "lately".

True, there's always been hate for Chrom, especially with the most diehard Fire Emblem fans. It just seems to me that recently there has been a lot more hate than support comments for Chrom ( at least compared to how things were last year).

Also, there seems to be a lot more support for Anna and Robin than there once was, although I think most people consider them unlikely at this point.

There's only hate in the smash communities, though. I think it's because people here see Chrom as a Fire Emblem rep rather than Chrom. So he constantly gets compared to Marth and Ike.
If Chrom was the first announced FE character for smash 4 it would have been a lot better for him, like it was for Ike in Brawl.

Yeah, that's true too. Chrom is definitely more liked outside of the "hardcore" Smash/Fire Emblem community.

And your definitely right, the fact that both Marth and Ike were announced BEFORE Chrom caused a lot more hate than there otherwise would have been. A lot of people were expecting Chrom to replace Ike too, so I guess 3 lords is a bit much for some people.

 

[Opossum]

True, there's always been hate for Chrom, especially with the most diehard Fire Emblem fans. It just seems to me that recently there has been a lot more hate than support comments for Chrom ( at least compared to how things were last year).

Also, there seems to be a lot more support for Anna and Robin than there once was, although I think most people consider them unlikely at this point.

I blame people being uncreative and stuck in their ways.

 

[False Sense]

I blame people being uncreative and stuck in their ways.

I blame people hoping for change.

 

[Opossum]

I blame people hoping for change.

It's just the way I see it, if they play differently, why does it matter the weapon they use?

 

[False Sense]

It's just the way I see it, if they play differently, why does it matter the weapon they use?

Well, to make a comparison, I think it would be pretty dull if all the Pokemon characters were Electric type rodents.

 

[Opossum]

Well, to make a comparison, I think it would be pretty dull if all the Pokemon characters were Electric type rodents.

On the flip side, I'm not angry that the starter type triangle isn't present. The ones we get still have varying playstyles,

 

[False Sense]

On the flip side, I'm not angry that the starter type triangle isn't present. The ones we get still have varying playstyles,

Though the Pokemon series is still represented by a variety of types, which is a good representation for the diverse series. I wish the same could happen for the Fire Emblem series.

Though nowadays it seems that kind of wishful thinking is outlawed in this forum.

 

[IronFish]

Uhh... Chrom Minecraft skin?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I find it funny how much I defend Chrom, despite not being the biggest fan of him myself.

I mean I like the guy and all but he isn't high on my fav FE character list . What will truly be ironic is if he ends up being one of my mains despite this

 

[Hong]

Uhh... Chrom Minecraft skin?

That's pretty spiffy.

 

[Niko Mar]

I blame people hoping for change.

but...ANYTHING CAN CHANGE!!!

Though the Pokemon series is still represented by a variety of types, which is a good representation for the diverse series. I wish the same could happen for the Fire Emblem series.

Though nowadays it seems that kind of wishful thinking is outlawed in this forum.

It'd probably help if FE was represented better through assist trophies and items. That way, a bigger diversity of character types and weapons could all be present at once (I'm sure we'll get at least one more FE assist, plus actual items this time).

Also, Chrom isn't that bad of an option for representing FE. Why? Well, if he is able to summon other characters as a part of his moveset, then we could get all of those different types of characters in one place (makes sense, with Chrom being the leader of the army and all).

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

True, there's always been hate for Chrom, especially with the most diehard Fire Emblem fans. It just seems to me that recently there has been a lot more hate than support comments for Chrom ( at least compared to how things were last year).

Also, there seems to be a lot more support for Anna and Robin than there once was, although I think most people consider them unlikely at this point.

I think its mostly them reacting to the inevitability of chrom being in at this point, desperation more then anything. And as for the diehard fire emblem fans being angry as well, i think that can be attributed to awakening gaining more mainstream appeal, whether they liked it or not. They see the new fans as a bad thing, or something that is encroaching on their niche series. Regardless of all that, chrom will definitely be awesome, and with all the unique characters we have so far, chrom will definitely have a few things up his moveset sleeve that many of his detractors never saw coming.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I think its mostly them reacting to the inevitability of chrom being in at this point, desperation more then anything. And as for the diehard fire emblem fans being angry as well, i think that can be attributed to awakening gaining more mainstream appeal, whether they liked it or not. They see the new fans as a bad thing, or something that is encroaching on their niche series. Regardless of all that, chrom will definitely be awesome, and with all the unique characters we have so far, chrom will definitely have a few things up his moveset sleeve that many of his detractors never saw coming.

Yeah Awakening completely divided the FE fandom. The forum I regular Serenes Forest is strife with a huge division

 

[Pazzo.]

I said it over on the Robin thread, and I'll say it now, although I like Robin more, Chrom has one sweet design.

 

[False Sense]

but...ANYTHING CAN CHANGE!!!



It'd probably help if FE was represented better through assist trophies and items. That way, a bigger diversity of character types and weapons could all be present at once (I'm sure we'll get at least one more FE assist, plus actual items this time).

Also, Chrom isn't that bad of an option for representing FE. Why? Well, if he is able to summon other characters as a part of his moveset, then we could get all of those different types of characters in one place (makes sense, with Chrom being the leader of the army and all).

Yes, anything can change. Ironically a lot of Chrom supporters like talking about inevitability

Also, Chrom as a summon character? You mean like Pac-Man?

Also, Chrom as the leader of an army? You mean like Marth and Ike?

 

[Morian]

Yeah Awakening completely divided the FE fandom. The forum I regular Serenes Forest is strife with a huge division

A good game makes loves, passions and hates.

I said it over on the Robin thread, and I'll say it now, although I like Robin more, Chrom has one sweet design.

The hair, the neo Falchion, the onesie, the colors...I'm in love, is a fashion disaster. The best of the Lord class in one character.

And i think I'm the only one who dislike the idea of the Avatar in Smash more and more. Even in FE, if they decide to make your Avatar the main main protagonist the plot is gonna be doomed again.

And I like Chrom's concept because Awakening is supposed to be an All-Star FE and Chrom were designed with that in mind.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

And I like Chrom's concept because Awakening is supposed to be an All-Star FE and Chrom were designed with that in mind.

I agree whole heartedly, I was just mentioning in the other thread that

Since Marth's moveset uses FE4/5 Swordmaster inspiration more then his own mostly and Ike uses his own games mostly.

Why can't Chrom have fun with various games animations and incorporate his own and stuff from the cutscenes where he fights? Like the Arena Ferox one.

 

[Pazzo.]

So Chrom can learn Aether... so how would Sakurai (If he would) incorporate Rightful King? A buff of some kind?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

So Chrom can learn Aether... so how would Sakurai (If he would) incorporate Rightful King? A buff of some kind?

Maybe but I see the buff like stuff being for Wii Fit Trainer and Shulk.

Maybe a passive like skill, similar to how Little Mac's meter works but very different

 

[Hong]

On May 27th, will Chrom start the fight with boosted stats and an item in hand?

 

[Jedisupersonic]

On May 27th, will Chrom start the fight with boosted stats and an item in hand?

Hahaha, That would be amazing.

 

[Reality_Ciak]

Maybe the FE reps will have color swaps that actually change their hair...

 

[Tikivoy]

So...since some characters get different victory themes despite originating from the same series (like Rosalina), would anybody else want Chrom's victory theme to be Purpose? It did play in Arena Ferox after all, its probably easy to make a 6 second victory theme from that.

(NB4ButThatsMU's.)

 

[Niko Mar]

Yes, anything can change. Ironically a lot of Chrom supporters like talking about inevitability

Also, Chrom as a summon character? You mean like Pac-Man?

Also, Chrom as the leader of an army? You mean like Marth and Ike?

So you're disregarding the possibility of such, simply because Pac-Man can be classified as a summoner?

Also, why does it matter that Marth and Ike are leaders of an army? I'm suggesting that this particular way would better showcase that fact, along with the newly implemented "pair-up" mechanic.

So...since some characters get different victory themes despite originating from the same series (like Rosalina), would anybody else want Chrom's victory theme to be Purpose? It did play in Arena Ferox after all, its probably easy to make a 6 second victory theme from that.

(NB4ButThatsMU's.)

The first couple seconds of this should be ok :

Btw, I just realized that you have the same mains as me .

 

[False Sense]

So you're disregarding the possibility of such, simply because Pac-Man can be classified as a summoner?

Also, why does it matter that Marth and Ike are leaders of an army? I'm suggesting that this particular way would better showcase that fact, along with the newly implemented "pair-up" mechanic.

I'm not disregarding the possibility. I just think that it's a rather unlikely possibility, for a number of reasons. For example, Pac-Man does already have a similar gimmick, and so far every newcomer has been pretty unique compared to both the veterans and the newcomers. As for the point about Marth and Ike, because they're both leaders of large armies, they could basically do the exact same thing. However, that was not how they were designed. I see little reason for Chrom to be given such an ability while the other two were not. It would kind of be like special treatment, I think. Also, wouldn't a move set based off of summoning other characters be rather challenging to make from a graphics perspective? They'd have to make individual models for all the characters Chrom summons, and the characters from Awakening have some rather detailed designs. It would be difficult to make something like that work, I think.

So while I wouldn't say your idea is impossible (and to be honest, it would be a rather cool move set for Chrom), I would say that such an idea is not likely to be implemented.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Though nowadays it seems that kind of wishful thinking is outlawed in this forum.

You'll have your blue-haired swordsmen and you will like it, son!

Also are we going to have an event about Marth, Ike and Chrom or not?