Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

[False Sense]

But the hair is a problem. I don't want default kids without both of his parents.

If we're talking about potential sequels starring the kids, theoretically it could be possible for the sequel to read data from an Awakening save file and use that to give the kids the proper hair color from that original save file.

 

[Deviddo]

Not sure if I'd want Lucina/Morgan or whoever to suddenly be THE main character though. I'm pretty sure most people love those two characters though, so the fanbase would be happy.

 

[Oblivion129]

So after an entire night of trying to get it to work, it'll still take a while it looks like.

I guess I can just say it now. There's essentially a changing of the guard. Lately I've been neglecting the movement due to college coming up and me having more things in my personal life to take care of. Therefore, I have elected a new leader of the movement. I will still man the thread here, but someone else (they know who they are) is going to take charge of the movement on the wordpress and twitter sites, while I do more behind the scenes work.

I hope you guys didn't get too hyped. I just wanted to inform you when the new person was able to take over, but I'm still working on the technical aspects of that. Hopefully the new manager should take control within a week.

Good luck with your personal stuff and thanks for your work with the movement.

Don't worry, I'm sure our new manager @ IronFish will help.

 

[Opossum]

Good luck with your personal stuff and thanks for your work with the movement.

Don't worry, I'm sure our new manager @ IronFish will help.

Wait what

 

[Oblivion129]

Wait what

I figured it was him. The biggest Chrom supporter I know

 

[Robert of Normandy]

spoiler alert the new movement leader is me

I'm gonna start improving the movement by having you all support a better character

HOLMES FOR SSB4 DLC

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I figured it was him. The biggest Chrom supporter I know

Yeah, we all know how much he looooves Chrom by his dedication to this thread!

Also, regarding the whole argument about who is the true main character of FE:A, it's funny that Sakurai considered Chrom to be the main character.

 

[Roy-Kun]

Yeah, we all know how much he looooves Chrom by his dedication to this thread!

Also, regarding the whole argument about who is the true main character of FE:A, it's funny that Sakurai considered Chrom to be the main character.

Chrom is the main character. He's got the most focus after all, even after the first half, he continues to have more presence than the rest. Robin's relevance just gets bumped during the 2nd half, specially after the whole Valm filler.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Obviously Robin has finally been revealed, after so much denial, to be the true main character now that based Sakurai has added him to Smash Bros instead of Chrom. We had been led astray all along.

But thanks to him, we are finally led back to the light. We shall never see Chrom as anything than a mere supporting character from this day now on.
I mean, he only served as that dumb stock blue-haired lord to waste about 2 3rds of the game on him, just to delay us from the real meatof the whole plot that is Robin's arc. Heck, I bet Robin didn't ever had to need him because well, he was capable of kicking Captain Falcon's ass, while Chrom wasn't.

In conclusion, Chrom was only threre to help the real main character all along, from the time he helped him get up in middle of nowhere, to the time he had to snap him back to his senses during the final fight. Only there to support him. He bears nothing meaningful or important to the plot. Because well,he's not in Smash. Sakurai's only messing with us again because we all clearly know that whoever is a playable character in Smash, is above all Nintendo's folks, canon and much more.

What, Chrom is Robin's Final Smash? But he was disconfirmed! He's OUT!!!

Let's also wait for Chrom to not appear in SMT x FE now that Robin's in Smash because clearly, such bland and unworking character to Smash might as well never appear in any other crossover game again. Aside from the fact that there's no shoo-ins on that game, obviously.

Spoiler

I can't write sarcasm.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Obviously Robin has finally been revealed, after so much denial, to be the true main character now that based Sakurai has added him to Smash Bros instead of Chrom. We had been led astray all along.

But thanks to him, we are finally led back to the light. We shall never see Chrom as anything than a mere supporting character from this day now on.
I mean, he only served as that dumb stock blue-haired lord to waste about 2 3rds of the game on him, just to delay us from the real meatof the whole plot that is Robin's arc. Heck, I bet Robin didn't ever had to need him because well, he was capable of kicking Captain Falcon's ***, while Chrom wasn't.

In conclusion, Chrom was only threre to help the real main character all along, from the time he helped him get up in middle of nowhere, to the time he had to snap him back to his senses during the final fight. Only there to support him. He bears nothing meaningful or important to the plot. Because well,he's not in Smash. Sakurai's only messing with us again because we all clearly know that whoever is a playable character in Smash, is above all Nintendo's folks, canon and much more.

What, Chrom is Robin's Final Smash? But he was disconfirmed! He's OUT!!!

Let's also wait for Chrom to not appear in SMT x FE now that Robin's in Smash because clearly, such bland and unworking character to Smash might as well never appear in any other crossover game again. Aside from the fact that there's no shoo-ins on that game, obviously.

Spoiler

I can't write sarcasm.

That's the spirit!

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

That's the spirit!

Yep...

So what's your point?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What's your point?

To give up.

Spoiler

Nah. not really. I was just joking.

 

[guedes the brawler]

But the hair is a problem. I don't want default kids without both of his parents.

but Severa can then inherit her rightful and impossible default red hair!

how could you NOT do it?


anyways, they mos tlikely will let you transfer stuff like that; im sur ethere are quite a few games that had this kind of stuff before

 

[Narwalgod]

Obviously Robin has finally been revealed, after so much denial, to be the true main character now that based Sakurai has added him to Smash Bros instead of Chrom. We had been led astray all along.

But thanks to him, we are finally led back to the light. We shall never see Chrom as anything than a mere supporting character from this day now on.
I mean, he only served as that dumb stock blue-haired lord to waste about 2 3rds of the game on him, just to delay us from the real meatof the whole plot that is Robin's arc. Heck, I bet Robin didn't ever had to need him because well, he was capable of kicking Captain Falcon's ***, while Chrom wasn't.

In conclusion, Chrom was only threre to help the real main character all along, from the time he helped him get up in middle of nowhere, to the time he had to snap him back to his senses during the final fight. Only there to support him. He bears nothing meaningful or important to the plot. Because well,he's not in Smash. Sakurai's only messing with us again because we all clearly know that whoever is a playable character in Smash, is above all Nintendo's folks, canon and much more.

What, Chrom is Robin's Final Smash? But he was disconfirmed! He's OUT!!!

Let's also wait for Chrom to not appear in SMT x FE now that Robin's in Smash because clearly, such bland and unworking character to Smash might as well never appear in any other crossover game again. Aside from the fact that there's no shoo-ins on that game, obviously.

Spoiler

I can't write sarcasm.

THE SARCASM HURTS MEEEEEEEEEE.

 

[Oblivion129]

Obviously Robin has finally been revealed, after so much denial, to be the true main character now that based Sakurai has added him to Smash Bros instead of Chrom. We had been led astray all along.

But thanks to him, we are finally led back to the light. We shall never see Chrom as anything than a mere supporting character from this day now on.
I mean, he only served as that dumb stock blue-haired lord to waste about 2 3rds of the game on him, just to delay us from the real meatof the whole plot that is Robin's arc. Heck, I bet Robin didn't ever had to need him because well, he was capable of kicking Captain Falcon's ***, while Chrom wasn't.

In conclusion, Chrom was only threre to help the real main character all along, from the time he helped him get up in middle of nowhere, to the time he had to snap him back to his senses during the final fight. Only there to support him. He bears nothing meaningful or important to the plot. Because well,he's not in Smash. Sakurai's only messing with us again because we all clearly know that whoever is a playable character in Smash, is above all Nintendo's folks, canon and much more.

What, Chrom is Robin's Final Smash? But he was disconfirmed! He's OUT!!!

Let's also wait for Chrom to not appear in SMT x FE now that Robin's in Smash because clearly, such bland and unworking character to Smash might as well never appear in any other crossover game again. Aside from the fact that there's no shoo-ins on that game, obviously.

Spoiler

I can't write sarcasm.

Even though it's sarcasm, it sounds like something a real Chrom detractor would say

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Even though it's sarcasm, it sounds like something a real Chrom detractor would say

Well, this is what I used to keep hearing from his detractors...

Personally, I kinda don't find it big deal who got in anymore or not. But it's sad how Smash Bros is so childishly used to justify how much this character sucks while this character rocks. That's not it's point, unless we're talking about tiers, and even than is when we're taking the attention to the playable characters already being confirmed and being accustomed to long times since game's release.

 

[Robertman2]

but Severa can then inherit her rightful and impossible default red hair!

how could you NOT do it?


anyways, they mos tlikely will let you transfer stuff like that; im sur ethere are quite a few games that had this kind of stuff before

Like Mass Effect. Would I be able to have my Morgan if her mother is ?

 

[IronFish]

Yeah, we all know how much he looooves Chrom by his dedication to this thread!

Also, regarding the whole argument about who is the true main character of FE:A, it's funny that Sakurai considered Chrom to be the main character.

I don't hate Chrom, I just didn't see his appeal in smash.

 

[Deviddo]

Well, no offense, but you certainly go to lengths to make us feel that Chrom is a terrible character in general.

 

[guedes the brawler]

The problem with Chrom and the people (Sakurai include) who are judging him are far too hung-up on moveset potential.

The guy has a sword
He is bound to have reasonable power/combos and speed.
He is also cool looking


People would flock to him easily, at both lower levels of play (because some might realize Ike is too slow, or might just want to pikc the "less OP" character) and high levels of play (assuming Chrom sin't screwed over by chaingrabbing and such)

Mac got in and he is unique much more due to his playstyle than raw specials. For swordsman, we have:

Fast and small, one with projectiles and the other with wings
Strong and Slow, one with projectiles and the other with Friends
Seemingly balanced ones (all the remaining 3)

we don't have anyone that is replacing Roy in playstyle, Glass Cannon... nor we have any Stone Wall characters, or even very fast characters with Longswords (i'm not sure if Lucina will be fast enough to be more than a Jack of all trades like Marth)


and of course, once you actually look at what Awakening has to offer, it's not hard to craft a moveset for Chrom (which is what happened to Palutena and the initial 3 newcomers)

 

[Deviddo]

Got ourselves a new ask!

"This might sound stupid but do you think Sakurai hates Chrom? He didn't have to make fun of him like that in the trailer! Like, I get Sakurai likes trolling people but he took it way too far! I keep feeling that Sakurai doesn't like Chrom, and its SO annoying how people are making fun of him and making jokes about him because the gematsu leak was deconfirmed! On another note, what can we do to get Sakurai to see the movesets the fans created? Lets hope Chrom makes it into SSB5 if he's not in DLC"

 

[False Sense]

Got ourselves a new ask!

"This might sound stupid but do you think Sakurai hates Chrom? He didn't have to make fun of him like that in the trailer! Like, I get Sakurai likes trolling people but he took it way too far! I keep feeling that Sakurai doesn't like Chrom, and its SO annoying how people are making fun of him and making jokes about him because the gematsu leak was deconfirmed! On another note, what can we do to get Sakurai to see the movesets the fans created? Lets hope Chrom makes it into SSB5 if he's not in DLC"

I don't think Sakurai hates Chrom. He did heavily consider making him playable, after all. He just didn't see that much potential in him as a unique character, and found Robin to be the more ideal choice. As for that bit in the trailer, I don't think that was supposed to be a jab at Chrom supporters. It seemed more like a set up for the reveal that Chrom was part of Robin's Final Smash, and thus was still able to be part of Smash even though he wasn't playable. Of course, it's easy to see how Chrom supporters would be offended by how that was handled, but I doubt that was Sakurai's intention.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I don't think Sakurai hates Chrom. He did heavily consider making him playable, after all. He just didn't see that much potential in him as a unique character, and found Robin to be the more ideal choice. As for that bit in the trailer, I don't think that was supposed to be a jab at Chrom supporters. It seemed more like a set up for the reveal that Chrom was part of Robin's Final Smash, and thus was still able to be part of Smash even though he wasn't playable. Of course, it's easy to see how Chrom supporters would be offended by how that was handled, but I doubt that was Sakurai's intention.

i think that it's not that he didn't see potential in Chrom, is that he saw potential in Robin first.

 

[False Sense]

i think that it's not that he didn't see potential in Chrom, is that he saw potential in Robin first.

Going off what Sakurai said, he put some serious thought into making him playable, but ultimately thought that he would have been "just another swordsman" alongside Marth and Ike. We don't really know when he came up with the idea of making Robin playable, but we do know that he considered Chrom. If I were to guess, I'd say he decided on Robin after being unable to see potential in Chrom.

 

[guedes the brawler]

hum... thinking about my previous idea of why we'd have multiple Chroms in battle; they could say playable!Chrom comes from another timeline than Robin's FS!Chrom... just another timeline, to a specific one. We could even have this Another timeline!Robin as Playable!Chrom's FS for funsies.

they wouldn't have to make another model for Morgan that way, and the physics behind Robin's Fs could be re-used. Unless they decide to make this Robin trigger the Fs via a magical projectile, but i'd wager they could re-use stuff from Megaman's Fs in that case.


I've been also re-think about the multiple swords idea, i previously discarded the idea of being able to throw the swords... but what if

a) the swords worked like Peach's turnips: when they hit the ground they disappear
b) besides the Ragnel, the swords could be registered as "heavy" items like Bonsly, to limit their throwing range

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I don't think Sakurai hates Chrom. He did heavily consider making him playable, after all. He just didn't see that much potential in him as a unique character, and found Robin to be the more ideal choice. As for that bit in the trailer, I don't think that was supposed to be a jab at Chrom supporters. It seemed more like a set up for the reveal that Chrom was part of Robin's Final Smash, and thus was still able to be part of Smash even though he wasn't playable. Of course, it's easy to see how Chrom supporters would be offended by how that was handled, but I doubt that was Sakurai's intention.

I personally hope he would stop jabbing on certain fanbases or supporters for good - I don't see how leaving some characters to bite the dust will ever be not be taken up as nothing offending. I know he has loads and loads of fanbases to pander on or not, but for giving so much love on the characters he features as playable, he might as well be capable of justifying how certain characters don't deserve any worth of (good) attention. Chrom being deemed not working shouldn't have necessarily resulted in him laying on the ground for most of the trailer, just to be shown as a rushed in-game play of him being a Final Smash - something that most got confused for him being playable pretty easily.

You know, it sometimes made me wonder if Chrom is gonna be somewhat "thrown to the basement" or not giving anymore big attention on after the maker of Smash Bros deems him "bland", enough to be featured as a laughing stock enough to undermine his (rather major) role in the game for Intelligent Systems. I mean, what would most of the fanbase think of Chrom still after he'll be still promoted about, when outside of it, he seems clearly "failure" or not really "cool" as a character in most other media outside FE? Smash Bros is capable of raising the reputation or popularity of characters it features. I'm now just afraid that Chrom getting his ass handed hard by Sakurai (Falcon and all) might just mean the very opposite to his future fanbase and appearances. I mean, if it makes I.S work more on good characters, that might be swell, but I don't wanna see a future where Sakurai's influence can undermine the actual efforts of the company itself on what characters are successful or not (because how Smash sells and tributes so well to the characters it features for years to come). It'd be really, really sad to see.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Yeah, and the worse is that the Chrom fanbase was there, silently suffering from claims that "lol no moveset potential" and hoping Sakurai would prove them wrong, shwoing the genius behind movesets like MGW and Megaman, only for him to punish us for believing in him...

i know i'm being a little dramatic here, but i'm sure that our fanbase wasn't begging for Chrom like the waluigi fanbase was doing, hence why they got called out.

 

[•Col•]

Yeah, and the worse is that the Chrom fanbase was there, silently suffering from claims that "lol no moveset potential" and hoping Sakurai would prove them wrong, shwoing the genius behind movesets like MGW and Megaman, only for him to punish us for believing in him...

i know i'm being a little dramatic here, but i'm sure that our fanbase wasn't begging for Chrom like the waluigi fanbase was doing, hence why they got called out.

It's not really that they suffered from those 'no moveset potential' claims.. They just put their fingers in their ears and went 'LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU'.

Heck, you can look back and see plenty of Chrom supporters, after Sakurai making the 'no potential' claim, mocking him and saying he is wrong (the remaining Chrom supporters still make these kind of comments).

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Common Arguments and Counterpoints:

Argument One: Chrom offers nothing unique in terms of playstyle!

Counterpoint One: This is without a shadow of a doubt Chrom detractors' biggest argument. By far, too. Now let's be fair, we're talking about Sakurai here, the man who gave Fox, Captain Falcon, the Ice Climbers, and ROB unique playstyles and movesets despite having far less in their game to draw from than Chrom does. All it takes is a bit of creativity. At the absolute worst, Sakurai could make him a full-blown clone, but I highly doubt this. The next step would be to play the middle man between Marth and Ike. I can see why people wouldn't find this too thrilling. Now we need to start being creative.

One key thing to bring up as far as playstyle, for example, is Chrom's ability to switch his weaponry. Fire Emblem, being a tactical strategy game, has the player adjust their army, weapons, and tactics to fit the situation at hand in an attempt to minimize casualties. Chrom can easily take from this. His playstyle involves adjusting your tactics to fit the situation at hand, allowing you to defeat the opponent. His semi-stance based moveset can reflect this, as his Specials, Smashes, Neutral Combo and Down Throw all change depending on your choice of weapon: the Falchion or the Lance.

In general, people like to use this point against Chrom due to how Sakurai only adds characters that are unique. Clearly, though, he can be made to be unique. Just look at the various moves and playstyle ideas found in this thread, after all. Moveset potential isn't a limiting factor in the slightest.

The thing is, the Chrom supporters kind of misinterpreted the 'no potential' argument.. It's not that you couldn't make a moveset for him. It's why should you? Putting aside Chrom's popularity and importance and everything.. Look purely at what he brings to the roster.. What can he do? What does he have that makes him unique(that other Fire Emblem characters within the game couldn't)? Chrom supporters a year ago couldn't give me a good answer to this one, and the remaining Chrom supporters today have yet to convince me.

People brought it up a while ago, but I think it's still a really strong point.. Chrom doesn't offer anything new in terms of archtypes. If you've noticed, practically EVERY new character that has been added has some really unique gimmick. The vast majority of movesets I saw for Chrom were basically just.. Run around and swing your sword; maybe throw in a spear projectile or strength buff special move. Sorry, but those kinds of things aren't really new or unique.

Granted, Lucina got added as a clone.. Which I would've been totally fine with having Chrom is as a clone of Ike or something.. But Chrom supporters fought tooth and nail against any mention of 'clone' talk, because they were afraid that it would dissuade new supporters from joining in since the community typically has disdain for clone characters. Little would they know that Lucina's clone-y-ness is what would get her into the game..

 

[Robertman2]

Got ourselves a new ask!

"This might sound stupid but do you think Sakurai hates Chrom? He didn't have to make fun of him like that in the trailer! Like, I get Sakurai likes trolling people but he took it way too far! I keep feeling that Sakurai doesn't like Chrom, and its SO annoying how people are making fun of him and making jokes about him because the gematsu leak was deconfirmed! On another note, what can we do to get Sakurai to see the movesets the fans created? Lets hope Chrom makes it into SSB5 if he's not in DLC"

I think Sakurai was F*ck you to the Gemastu leak more than anything.

 

[False Sense]

I think Sakurai was F*ck you to the Gemastu leak more than anything.

While I somewhat doubt that Sakurai deliberately had that trailer made just to say "**** you" to the Gematsu leak, that's basically what it ended up doing regardless.

 

[Deviddo]

While all input on the forums is, of course, important, I'll only be including answers from Chrom supporters in the ask response, in case I never made that clear.

 

[False Sense]

While all input on the forums is, of course, important, I'll only be including answers from Chrom supporters in the ask response, in case I never made that clear.

So... Multiple perspectives aren't allowed?

 

[Deviddo]

It's not that, of course other perspectives are important. The blog is for ChromForSmash supporters, I just figured the ask should be as well.
...Maybe I should include opinions from those who don't or are neutral, as well? It's not as if your opinions are outright bashing Chrom or his supporters.

 

[_Sheik]

The Chromtards never seem to give up, right? xD I mean I wanted Chrom over Lucina from the start, too, but I'm fine with her being in the roster and him being in Robin's Final Smash. I'd be disappointed if Sakurai added DLCs to the games and if Chrom was one of them, tbh.

And if Chrom were to make make an entrance in the roster via DLC, then who would take care of appearing in Robin's Final Smash? WHO?

Alfonzo: "Leave it to me!"

 

[guedes the brawler]

It's not really that they suffered from those 'no moveset potential' claims.. They just put their fingers in their ears and went 'LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU'.

Heck, you can look back and see plenty of Chrom supporters, after Sakurai making the 'no potential' claim, mocking him and saying he is wrong (the remaining Chrom supporters still make these kind of comments).


The thing is, the Chrom supporters kind of misinterpreted the 'no potential' argument.. It's not that you couldn't make a moveset for him. It's why should you? Putting aside Chrom's popularity and importance and everything.. Look purely at what he brings to the roster.. What can he do? What does he have that makes him unique(that other Fire Emblem characters within the game couldn't)? Chrom supporters a year ago couldn't give me a good answer to this one, and the remaining Chrom supporters today have yet to convince me.

People brought it up a while ago, but I think it's still a really strong point.. Chrom doesn't offer anything new in terms of archtypes. If you've noticed, practically EVERY new character that has been added has some really unique gimmick. The vast majority of movesets I saw for Chrom were basically just.. Run around and swing your sword; maybe throw in a spear projectile or strength buff special move. Sorry, but those kinds of things aren't really new or unique.

Granted, Lucina got added as a clone.. Which I would've been totally fine with having Chrom is as a clone of Ike or something.. But Chrom supporters fought tooth and nail against any mention of 'clone' talk, because they were afraid that it would dissuade new supporters from joining in since the community typically has disdain for clone characters. Little would they know that Lucina's clone-y-ness is what would get her into the game..

If we can see potential in Chrom, of course we'd say Sakurai is wrong. I, myself, have made multiple movesets for Chrom and many other characters in my free time, it's ridiculous to bash Chrom on the gorunds of "moveset potential" when

a) Mii Swordman is even less unique than anything Chrom could be
b) Little Mac had even less stuff going for him and got in anyways.

"putting aside his importance and everything" is exactly the dumb mindset that should never have happened. Representing niche franchises is something that's ok, because these franchises are huge parts of nintendo... but niche characters of big franchises? that's awful. The Important people should get in first, to correctly represent those series. it's why Rosalina instead of Toad or Bowser Jr (who are all much more important to Mario in general) was a really bad decision even if Rosalina has a gimmick, not to mention the other characters could very well have gimmicks.

Chrom is important, therefore he should've been fully playable. Having the deuteragonist of Awakening playable instead of the protagonist is ridiculous no matter how unique Robin is. Ideally they'd both be playable as a tag team, but alas, chalk it up for Sakurai making dumb decisions again.

and Archetypes? how many sword archetypes we have again? just 3: Heavy (Ike/Link), fast (MK, TLink) and Balanced (the rest). We could have Chrom as a Stone Wall character, or as the lost Glass Cannon archtype from Roy even if differently executed (trading raw power for a bit of speed and weight, for one). Notably, Chorm could even be a character similar to TL/MK, if only because he trades projectiles/aerial prowess for Reach,


I don't think it's fair for you to say Chrom would add nothing so objectively like that. Did anyone ever think Little Mac would be a character focused on super Armor? That we'd get Lucario with a "vengeance" gimmick named Aura? Or that Rosalina would have the puppeteer gimmick? Ok, that one is kinda unfair because it's horribly OOC for Rosalina to act like that, but whatever. You see my point: Sakurai could make Chrom unique. He has handled Characters with much less potential, and for some he went as far as to ignore most of what they did in-game to take another approach (Palutena, Wario, Ness, Lucas arguably Donkey Kong). And that's not getting into the level of brilliance he showed when adapting the Arwing and Landmaster's abilities into Fox's moveset.

Though for this case, it was sadly the inverse... Sakurai usually trumps every fan made moveset we see for the characters he work with. Exception being Wario because the lack of Wario Land in his moveset is unforgivable and most fans probably could do something better. oh DK and the mother boys too. too little content from what they actually have done in-game. i mean, seriously, Sakurai prefered to make DK bring a HEADBUTT instead of his classic rolling attack for his Side B in Melee, WTF.


back to topic... Playstyle is also important. I repeat what i said before: you people (sakurai included) are too hung up on moveset potential. That's not what should be the most important thing not the only thing that matters, and "being important" is also not as important as being a Fun character to play as in general: THAT should be the top priority. And i doubt Chrom would fail on that

I'd wager most people would like to play as Chrom just on the ground that he is a swordsman, because swords are cool and bring a nice playstyle in smash regardless of speed. but it's not like Chrom can't be unique anyways. Implementing the skills found in awakening, and bringing different swords (playstyle) to play (deny that this is unique and you undermine 90% of Robin's moveset), and possibly even Pair up are all tools Chrom could use in battle; and they are all tools that can be used in a variety of ways that one moveset alone couldn't represent them without giving room for more (before you come with "anyone could do that too")



If you can't see potential in Chorm, that's fine. You know what this means? that you have no business hanging around in this thread, since you are not helping the movement, and you are not helping yourself by trying to cause trouble here.


As for the clone remark, nobody would want their character to be a clone when they could be unique. Chrom uses a single-handed sword that does not translate well into a cloned ike moveset and a 3rd AMrth clone would be pushing it (especially since Chrom looks bulkier than Marth and they use the same sword, logic says he should be able to swing that faster which is what Lucina does anyways)

Few would actually bother with chrom as DLC (our objective) if he was a clone. it's counter-intuitive, and a ****** idea in general

It's not that, of course other perspectives are important. The blog is for ChromForSmash supporters, I just figured the ask should be as well.
...Maybe I should include opinions from those who don't or are neutral, as well? It's not as if your opinions are outright bashing Chrom or his supporters.

if the purpose is trying to get people in the movement, i see no place for these opinion in here. Not to disrespect such pinions, (as long as they are put in a respectful manner) but this is counter-intuitive, and there are better places to say "i don't care if Chrom is DLC or not" or to make an anti-chrom movement than... here.

 

[False Sense]

If we can see potential in Chrom, of course we'd say Sakurai is wrong. I, myself, have made multiple movesets for Chrom and many other characters in my free time, it's ridiculous to bash Chrom on the gorunds of "moveset potential" when

a) Mii Swordman is even less unique than anything Chrom could be
b) Little Mac had even less stuff going for him and got in anyways.

"putting aside his importance and everything" is exactly the dumb mindset that should never have happened. Representing niche franchises is something that's ok, because these franchises are huge parts of nintendo... but niche characters of big franchises? that's awful. The Important people should get in first, to correctly represent those series. it's why Rosalina instead of Toad or Bowser Jr (who are all much more important to Mario in general) was a really bad decision even if Rosalina has a gimmick, not to mention the other characters could very well have gimmicks.

Chrom is important, therefore he should've been fully playable. Having the deuteragonist of Awakening playable instead of the protagonist is ridiculous no matter how unique Robin is. Ideally they'd both be playable as a tag team, but alas, chalk it up for Sakurai making dumb decisions again.

and Archetypes? how many sword archetypes we have again? just 3: Heavy (Ike/Link), fast (MK, TLink) and Balanced (the rest). We could have Chrom as a Stone Wall character, or as the lost Glass Cannon archtype from Roy even if differently executed (trading raw power for a bit of speed and weight, for one). Notably, Chorm could even be a character similar to TL/MK, if only because he trades projectiles/aerial prowess for Reach,


I don't think it's fair for you to say Chrom would add nothing so objectively like that. Did anyone ever think Little Mac would be a character focused on super Armor? That we'd get Lucario with a "vengeance" gimmick named Aura? Or that Rosalina would have the puppeteer gimmick? Ok, that one is kinda unfair because it's horribly OOC for Rosalina to act like that, but whatever. You see my point: Sakurai could make Chrom unique. He has handled Characters with much less potential, and for some he went as far as to ignore most of what they did in-game to take another approach (Palutena, Wario, Ness, Lucas arguably Donkey Kong). And that's not getting into the level of brilliance he showed when adapting the Arwing and Landmaster's abilities into Fox's moveset.

Though for this case, it was sadly the inverse... Sakurai usually trumps every fan made moveset we see for the characters he work with. Exception being Wario because the lack of Wario Land in his moveset is unforgivable and most fans probably could do something better. oh DK and the mother boys too. too little content from what they actually have done in-game. i mean, seriously, Sakurai prefered to make DK bring a HEADBUTT instead of his classic rolling attack for his Side B in Melee, WTF.


back to topic... Playstyle is also important. I repeat what i said before: you people (sakurai included) are too hung up on moveset potential. That's not what should be the most important thing not the only thing that matters, and "being important" is also not as important as being a Fun character to play as in general: THAT should be the top priority. And i doubt Chrom would fail on that

I'd wager most people would like to play as Chrom just on the ground that he is a swordsman, because swords are cool and bring a nice playstyle in smash regardless of speed. but it's not like Chrom can't be unique anyways. Implementing the skills found in awakening, and bringing different swords (playstyle) to play (deny that this is unique and you undermine 90% of Robin's moveset), and possibly even Pair up are all tools Chrom could use in battle; and they are all tools that can be used in a variety of ways that one moveset alone couldn't represent them without giving room for more (before you come with "anyone could do that too")



If you can't see potential in Chorm, that's fine. You know what this means? that you have no business hanging around in this thread, since you are not helping the movement, and you are not helping yourself by trying to cause trouble here.


As for the clone remark, nobody would want their character to be a clone when they could be unique. Chrom uses a single-handed sword that does not translate well into a cloned ike moveset and a 3rd AMrth clone would be pushing it (especially since Chrom looks bulkier than Marth and they use the same sword, logic says he should be able to swing that faster which is what Lucina does anyways)

Few would actually bother with chrom as DLC (our objective) if he was a clone. it's counter-intuitive, and a ****** idea in general



if the purpose is trying to get people in the movement, i see no place for these opinion in here. Not to disrespect such pinions, (as long as they are put in a respectful manner) but this is counter-intuitive, and there are better places to say "i don't care if Chrom is DLC or not" or to make an anti-chrom movement than... here.

You know, the concepts of "potential" and "importance" are kind of subjective. Not everyone is going to agree on stuff like that. That includes Sakurai.

 

[guedes the brawler]

You know, the concepts of "potential" and "importance" are kind of subjective. Not everyone is going to agree on stuff like that. That includes Sakurai.

Except Sakurai explicitly said Chrom was just a normal swordsman, when he could do more than that. how much more is another story, but it's still objectively wrong.

Importance is subjective to some degree.

but seriously, Rosalina was just in 2 games when the roster was done, 1 one those she was barely even relevant. compare that to Toad (playable in 3 games) and Jr (major villain in 2). the importance disparity is clear.

 

[Narwalgod]

Except Sakurai explicitly said Chrom was just a normal swordsman, when he could do more than that. how much more is another story, but it's still objectively wrong.

Importance is subjective to some degree.

but seriously, Rosalina was just in 2 games when the roster was done, 1 one those she was barely even relevant. compare that to Toad (playable in 3 games) and Jr (major villain in 2). the importance disparity is clear.

Deciding whether or not a character should never be a question of whether or not one can make a moveset for a character. It should be about whether or not said character should have a certain moveset. Why should i give a chrom a lance based moveset when ephraim didnt get jock ****? Why should i give chrom unit summoning, alternating classes , or skills when(so far, other than aether.) no one from fire emblem has had this gimmick, even though it would fit better on them.

Do you want to know the difference between chrom's situation and little mac. Little mac was from an old bearly reped IP, had a distinct fighting style and was one of the most wanted newcomers yet. Chrom, Old IP sure ill give you that, but if you have 2 characters from the same installment in the franchise, i calll bs on bearly repped. Has a distinct fighting style? Other than few cutscenes(wich if we use as canon he'd be a clone of lucina.) we rarely get to get a good look at chrom fighting style.Most wanted, sure il give you that. But consider that most simply took his inclusion as the inevetable, and were merely trying to find a way to make the inevetible suck less.

My point is you can give chrom as many "Unique" movesets as you can, you can tell me that chrom's exclusion was unfair, but i'll always look back on all the different Fire emblem characters that deserved their chance and never got it, and ill always think that if you're gonna give credit where credit is due give to those who never got any in the first place.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Deciding whether or not a character should never be a question of whether or not one can make a moveset for a character. It should be about whether or not said character should have a certain moveset. Why should i give a chrom a lance based moveset when ephraim didnt get jock ****? Why should i give chrom unit summoning, alternating classes , or skills when(so far, other than aether.) no one from fire emblem has had this gimmick, even though it would fit better on them.

Do you want to know the difference between chrom's situation and little mac. Little mac was from an old bearly reped IP, had a distinct fighting style and was one of the most wanted newcomers yet. Chrom, Old IP sure ill give you that, but if you have 2 characters from the same installment in the franchise, i calll bs on bearly repped. Has a distinct fighting style? Other than few cutscenes(wich if we use as canon he'd be a clone of lucina.) we rarely get to get a good look at chrom fighting style.Most wanted, sure il give you that. But consider that most simply took his inclusion as the inevetable, and were merely trying to find a way to make the inevetible suck less.

My point is you can give chrom as many "Unique" movesets as you can, you can tell me that chrom's exclusion was unfair, but i'll always look back on all the different Fire emblem characters that deserved their chance and never got it, and ill always think that if you're gonna give credit where credit is due give to those who never got any in the first place.

there is really no other FE rep besides Chrom that deserved a spot and didn't get it outside, in a roundabout way, the Fe5 lord... and the guy only deserves the slot, because Roy's game got delayed, otherwise the spot would be 100% justified to be Roy's

*marth was the guy who began it all, and the only one to star 2 games by the time Melee was going
*roy was going to be the lord of the newest FE by melee, thanks to the delay he debuted there, tho. Is had a hand in this; apparently Sakurai wanted Leif
*ike had the lead in the previous two FEs to brawl
*Robin, Lucina, and Chrom were the 3 leads of Awakening, the latest game as of smash 4, and the most succeful one.

fe2 and 4 were old news by Melee, and so were 7/8 by Brawl. The latest lead, and the original one. seems like besides Chrom we got everyone who truly should've been there.

Your argument of "x didn't get this mechanic because they were never in, so why should chrom" is ridiculous. i suppose Robin shouldn't have weapon switching because Alm didn't have that? Ike shouldn't have aether because Leif didn't bring any skills with him on smash? Maybe Lucina shouldn't have been a clone because truly, that was what Micaiah needed to be all along.



and if that "should have this moveset" is what we should look at, why Rosalina, if her moveset goes against everything her character set out to be? such a good, benevolent mother! uses her kids as slaves to fight for her and take shots for her, good parenting 101. Not to mention Wario's "no land" moveset... should i even mention the mother boys?

 

[Pokechu]

Except Sakurai explicitly said Chrom was just a normal swordsman, when he could do more than that. how much more is another story, but it's still objectively wrong.

Importance is subjective to some degree.

but seriously, Rosalina was just in 2 games when the roster was done, 1 one those she was barely even relevant. compare that to Toad (playable in 3 games) and Jr (major villain in 2). the importance disparity is clear.

Hold up. Hooooold up.

Rosalina is more unique than anyone else wished to be; she's everything Chrom wanted to be. I didn't support her and I know this.
Chrom's fine and all but why try SO HARD to make a moveset for a character that by default could not bring anything new when someone standing RIGHT NEXT to him could bring new things?