Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

[guedes the brawler]

I understand you guys want Chrom. I did to I played the Awakening and I really did like his Personality. But I don't think there's no way he can be DLC because he's a final smash. I guess they could use Fredrick instead but I don't see it.

they can use Morgan: the model is basically already there

 

[Deviddo]

I understand you guys want Chrom. I did to I played the Awakening and I really did like his Personality. But I don't think there's no way he can be DLC because he's a final smash. I guess they could use Fredrick instead but I don't see it.

Using another model in place of Chrom for Robin's FS has been discussed multiple times.

It boils down to the Alfonzo scenario, they could just replace Chrom in Robin's FS for a different character.

 

[Oblivion129]

I'd personally like Tharja to be in Robin's FS but that's just me. It would be entertaining. (Then there's the idea of keeping Chrom as his FS and having Great Lord Chrom as playable)

 

[Deviddo]

There really are a number of things they could do, honestly.

 

[guedes the brawler]

They could say the playable Chrom is the one from the children's timeline. would make his trophy description a bit angsty..

 

[False Sense]

SPEAKING OF WHICH.







I can officially say that there's enough time in my schedule on Sunday to deliver the news.

You've been hyping up this "news" for some time now. I'm curious about what could possible warrant such build-up, and if this "news" is ever actually going to be delivered.

 

[Opossum]

You've been hyping up this "news" for some time now. I'm curious about what could possible warrant such build-up, and if this "news" is ever actually going to be delivered.

It's not exactly hype-worthy, necessarily, just somewhat important.

That being said, I am not trying to pull a Duke Nukem Forever here, but the news may have to wait one or two more days. Something happened in my personal life today that I needed to take care of. :/

 

[Narwalgod]

It's not exactly hype-worthy, necessarily, just somewhat important.

That being said, I am not trying to pull a Duke Nukem Forever here, but the news may have to wait one or two more days. Something happened in my personal life today that I needed to take care of. :/

What if the news being delayed is the news?

 

[guedes the brawler]

how about you just write bits and pieces of the news when you can...?

i mean, it's been a while since you first told us bout the news, and you've been posting a bit here... is it news we'd like to hear, at least?

 

[Noiblade]

So is it too late to join the support orrr? I really wanted Chrom

 

[Deviddo]

No of course not! People can join whenever they wish, it's not a timed thing at all.

 

[Deviddo]

Quick question, so the Avatar's theme are all the Id Songs, correct?
What's Chrom's theme? Or at the very least, what could qualify as his theme?

 

[False Sense]

Quick question, so the Avatar's theme are all the Id Songs, correct?
What's Chrom's theme? Or at the very least, what could qualify as his theme?

...Um, I don't think he has any sort of theme song that you could directly tie to him, at least not in the sense that the "Id" songs are tied to Robin or "You may call me Marth" is tied to Lucina.

I'm not really sure what could "qualify" as his theme song, to be honest. I suppose you could say "Don't speak her name," though I've always thought of that as more of the theme of that tragic moment rather than the theme of any specific character, apart from maybe Emmeryn. There's plenty of battle themes you could claim to be his theme, but none of them are really tied to Chrom any more than the other.

So, I'm really not sure what Chrom's theme song would be. I think they just didn't give him one.

 

[Oblivion129]

Quick question, so the Avatar's theme are all the Id Songs, correct?
What's Chrom's theme? Or at the very least, what could qualify as his theme?

I believe this is Chrom's official theme:

Spoiler

Seriously, though, I guess the main theme from Awakening would be enough.

 

[guedes the brawler]

if ike is any indication, it's one of the battle themes. or the generic-y shpeherds theme.

 

[Deleted member]

Quick question, so the Avatar's theme are all the Id Songs, correct?
What's Chrom's theme? Or at the very least, what could qualify as his theme?

I don't think that Chrom really had a theme. If anything, Shepherd's garrison is the closest thing to a theme for him.

 

[Opossum]

Yeah, if anything, his theme would be "Here We Are! The Shepherds Garrison."

 

[Deviddo]

Yeah, I suppose the Recruitment theme fits, considering.

 

[Skyblade12]

I really don't see him getting in, guys. Even as DLC. Sakurai pointed out that the problem is moveset. When playing Awakening, Sakurai didn't get anything from the character that inspired him. When playing Robin Sakurai saw "ooh, and we can do this and this and this...", but with Chrom, he didn't. I don't see that changing. There has been nothing unique added to Chrom since, and there are tons of other characters who have much more obvious moveset potential to get in first.

If we do get a Chrom DLC, I think it will have to be after SMTXFE, when Chrom has another game to give him some more distinct moves.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I really don't see him getting in, guys. Even as DLC. Sakurai pointed out that the problem is moveset. When playing Awakening, Sakurai didn't get anything from the character that inspired him. When playing Robin Sakurai saw "ooh, and we can do this and this and this...", but with Chrom, he didn't. I don't see that changing. There has been nothing unique added to Chrom since, and there are tons of other characters who have much more obvious moveset potential to get in first.

If we do get a Chrom DLC, I think it will have to be after SMTXFE, when Chrom has another game to give him some more distinct moves.

Sakurai didn't even do that much with Robin

after seeing the lengths he went to make Palutena unique, as well as what he has done with Vout 3 initial newcomers... in a roundabout way i am kinda glad chrom wasn't in, because it really shows Sakurai didn't even try.

 

[False Sense]

Sakurai didn't even do that much with Robin

after seeing the lengths he went to make Palutena unique, as well as what he has done with Vout 3 initial newcomers... in a roundabout way i am kinda glad chrom wasn't in, because it really shows Sakurai didn't even try.

Sakurai clearly put a lot of effort into making Robin. Robin has quite a number of new mechanics that not only make him/her totally unique as a fighter, but also a great representative of the Fire Emblem series. On top of that, the attention to detail shown in Robin's move set so far is really astounding; for example, many of his/her moves are actually references to old Fire Emblem games:

Spoiler

I don't think you can justifiably say Sakurai "didn't even try" when making Robin.

 

[guedes the brawler]

that's not what i was talking about. the references are nice, but that's not the point

the most notable parts of awakening's gameplay are mostly ignored: Pair-up (which is just a final smash instead of something that's always on) and skills (of which we haven't seen yet. maybe they are custom moves, but other spells sound more likely)

 

[Skyblade12]

that's not what i was talking about. the references are nice, but that's not the point

the most notable parts of awakening's gameplay are mostly ignored: Pair-up (which is just a final smash instead of something that's always on) and skills (of which we haven't seen yet. maybe they are custom moves, but other spells sound more likely)

So what you're saying is that he should have given Robin a recycled mechanic (Popo and Nana) over something unique.

And that he should have somehow chosen from over 40 different skills to say "these are the ones Robin gets".

Newsflash: Robin's skill list in Awakening:
Veteran - Extra experience when Paired Up. Useless in Smash.
Rally Spectrum - Boosts everyone else's fighting ability. Useless in Smash.
Solidarity - Increases critical rate and evade of nearby allies. Useless in Smash.
Ignis - Increases damage based on other stats. Nearly impossible to represent in Smash, due to lack of stats, and iffy triggering mechanics. Not to mention it is basically just a mod to another attack.

 

[False Sense]

that's not what i was talking about. the references are nice, but that's not the point

the most notable parts of awakening's gameplay are mostly ignored: Pair-up (which is just a final smash instead of something that's always on) and skills (of which we haven't seen yet. maybe they are custom moves, but other spells sound more likely)

So because Sakurai didn't make Robin exactly as you envisioned, that means that he didn't even try while making him/her?

 

[Skyblade12]

Getting back on topic, regardless of how Robin was handled, Sakurai didn't get a clear view of how Chrom would handle. We know he played the game. We know he pulls from game information. He didn't have anything that said to him "this makes Chrom unique". Ergo, no Chrom. No matter how many movesets we put up, Sakurai is going to have to take something from the games Chrom is in, something that makes Chrom unique as a character in Sakurai's mind. I don't see that happening without another game with Chrom in it. He's played Awakening, and it wasn't enough.

 

[guedes the brawler]

So because Sakurai didn't make Robin exactly as you envisioned, that means that he didn't even try while making him/her?

it just means he missed too many features from awakening. key features of awakening, at that

Getting back on topic, regardless of how Robin was handled, Sakurai didn't get a clear view of how Chrom would handle. We know he played the game. We know he pulls from game information. He didn't have anything that said to him "this makes Chrom unique". Ergo, no Chrom. No matter how many movesets we put up, Sakurai is going to have to take something from the games Chrom is in, something that makes Chrom unique as a character in Sakurai's mind. I don't see that happening without another game with Chrom in it. He's played Awakening, and it wasn't enough.

notice how he talked about Robin, about how the moveset kinda came to him as he was playing

he got an idea and didn't want to let it go. which is why i think he didn't even bother with Chrom, and skills too.

 

[False Sense]

it just means he missed too many features from awakening. key features of awakening, at that

Features that, as pointed out by @ Skyblade12 a moment ago, are not easily incorporated into a functional move set. In the place of those features from Awakening, Robin represents key aspects of the entire Fire Emblem franchise through his/her use of magic and various, limited-use weapons. On top of that, Robin's most powerful attack makes use of a major broken feature of Awakening that likely could not have been incorporated elsewhere in his/her move set.

I think Robin does a fine job of representing Awakening and Fire Emblem as a whole.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Getting back on topic, regardless of how Robin was handled, Sakurai didn't get a clear view of how Chrom would handle. We know he played the game. We know he pulls from game information. He didn't have anything that said to him "this makes Chrom unique". Ergo, no Chrom. No matter how many movesets we put up, Sakurai is going to have to take something from the games Chrom is in, something that makes Chrom unique as a character in Sakurai's mind. I don't see that happening without another game with Chrom in it. He's played Awakening, and it wasn't enough.

Basically. It's pretty sad, but I think this is just the truth. Heck, if taking up Lucina being a clone who also claims in her game how he inherited her skills from "her father", you might say that it makes sense in context.

On implementation of Skills to Smash-moveset, it's really complicated and trying to skim them through just to include Chrom sounds cumbersome enough now that I try to compare it to what Robin brought in instead. At the end, Robin manages to mix up the table with the magic swordsplay, and brings even more things from FE than Chrom, could have with less of a difficutly to make him unique: he's a mage as opposed to "blue-haired swordsman", after all.
I'm fond of Chrom, really, but I was merely waiting for them to just bring a spin on the character because he seemed pretty inevitable due being a lord. I was proved dead wrong, but we got a more solid newcomer from FE-series, a series I used to complain about for being really under-represented accurately to it's source since clearing FE7.

I'm still the type to want everyone though, as much as I never visited Robin's support threads the time he was still being supported.

 

[Deviddo]

A bit off-topic, but I honestly really enjoy the Avatar creation system, and I hope it's brought back in the next Fire Emblem.

 

[Opossum]

Gah, so I'm having trouble with the thing. If I don't get this done later tonight, I'll just tell the news and implement it a bit later. It's nothing truly hypeworthy, though. It's more administrative. Fair warning.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Quick question, so the Avatar's theme are all the Id Songs, correct?
What's Chrom's theme? Or at the very least, what could qualify as his theme?

I think we all know what Chrom's theme song should be.

 

[Deviddo]

Is this about that Chrom mousepad?

 

[Turokman5896]

Hey; I've been super busy, but let me know when the asks are up!

 

[Burigu]

Hi Chrom supporters I have been following this thread since the deconfimation, I really like Chrom I expected and supported him reading the last page I have noticed how you people certainly think Chrom IS going to be playable in SMTxFE, just pointing out the game could have an enterely new cast of characters not seen before and the X part is mostly a fusion between both games gameplay.

Yes I watched the video and they put characters from both games, but with a game so early in development they didn't have anything else to put in.

I am not saying it's imposible for characters to return I am only pointing out that we might get an enterely new roster of characters and not a universe fusion of lots of games and timelines like in Hyrule Warriors. And the only fusion of franchises is limited to gameplay elements. After all Fire Emblem is known for putting a new cast everytime a new continuity is introduced and SMT I think also does that

 

[Skyblade12]

Hi Chrom supporters I have been following this thread since the deconfimation, I really like Chrom I expected and supported him reading the last page I have noticed how you people certainly think Chrom IS going to be playable in SMTxFE, just pointing out the game could have an enterely new cast of characters not seen before and the X part is mostly a fusion between both games gameplay.

Yes I watched the video and they put characters from both games, but with a game so early in development they didn't have anything else to put in.

I am not saying it's imposible for characters to return I am only pointing out that we might get an enterely new roster of characters and not a universe fusion of lots of games and timelines like in Hyrule Warriors. And the only fusion of franchises is limited to gameplay elements. After all Fire Emblem is known for putting a new cast everytime a new continuity is introduced and SMT I think also does that

Point out to me one crossover, EVER, that has not featured familiar characters.


There aren't any. That's kind of the ENTIRE POINT.

 

[Burigu]

Point out to me one crossover, EVER, that has not featured familiar characters.


There aren't any. That's kind of the ENTIRE POINT.

Chill out no need to act so defensive and pretend that what I said has zero chance of happening I get you have to deal with haters a lot here, most crossovers don't have the character rotation both FE and SMT have, I never said it won't happen but there is always the posibility we get a new cast. To get a better constructed story, most crossovers the story takes a seat in favor of gameplay, but both franchises are known for having good stories.

I just pointed a posibility sometimes people convince themselves that what they believe = what will happen I am not here to argue about it. If Chrom or any FE is in the game it's fine with me. I supported Chrom and defended him multiple times, maybe not in this thread but I did everytime a coversation about Chrom started in other threads

 

[Skyblade12]

Chill out no need to act so defensive and pretend that what I said has zero chance of happening I get you have to deal with haters a lot here, most crossovers don't have the character rotation both FE and SMT have, I never said it won't happen but there is always the posibility we get a new cast

I'm sorry, I wasn't meaning to act overly defensive. But if you have a crossover that doesn't actually cross over characters, you are missing the point of what a crossover is, and what fans want to see in one.

If you're just crossing gameplay styles, it's honestly a lot easier to just make a new franchise (you've got all new characters anyway). I mean, then you wouldn't even have to worry about the royalty sharing or any of the other things.

The point of a crossover is to put familiar faces together. That's the entire point of it. That's how every crossover has ever worked, from movies, games, television, or books.


There's also the marketing concern. Even if they meant to just market the series with the faces, once they made the trailer, they kind of have no choice.

Imagine if there was a Smash 4 teaser when the game was first announced featuring Mewtwo, Ridley, Shulk, and K. Rool. And then none of them were playable? In addition to royally upsetting the fanbase, there are serious legal issues there.

So, yes, they will be playable.



Also, we know it's not going to be a massive gameplay crossover, because Intelligent Systems confirmed they were working on it as a more traditional RPG style more akin to ATLUS's games (ATLUS is in the lead on the project), rather than a tactical one.

 

[Burigu]

I'm sorry, I wasn't meaning to act overly defensive. But if you have a crossover that doesn't actually cross over characters, you are missing the point of what a crossover is, and what fans want to see in one.

If you're just crossing gameplay styles, it's honestly a lot easier to just make a new franchise (you've got all new characters anyway). I mean, then you wouldn't even have to worry about the royalty sharing or any of the other things.

The point of a crossover is to put familiar faces together. That's the entire point of it. That's how every crossover has ever worked, from movies, games, television, or books.


There's also the marketing concern. Even if they meant to just market the series with the faces, once they made the trailer, they kind of have no choice.

Imagine if there was a Smash 4 teaser when the game was first announced featuring Mewtwo, Ridley, Shulk, and K. Rool. And then none of them were playable? In addition to royally upsetting the fanbase, there are serious legal issues there.

So, yes, they will be playable.



Also, we know it's not going to be a massive gameplay crossover, because Intelligent Systems confirmed they were working on it as a more traditional RPG style more akin to ATLUS's games (ATLUS is in the lead on the project), rather than a tactical one.

Apology accepted
Mmmm for what I am aware not all crossovers take BOTH franchises characters, Hyrule Warriors is an example we only get the characters from one of the franchises fused with the elements of both of them. Cia and Lana are far away from being considered Dynasty Warriors characters. So it is not out of the realm to think maybe the game will have fused gameplay.

You can have a new franchise but then you don't hype the people that already follows both franchises and being a fusion of concepts people would claim either IS or Atlus for "ripping off" the other franchise. The crossover is an intelligent business decision for this stand point.

It is really posible to have returning characters I am not deniying it, I am just telling people the posibility this might not be the case.

You active Chrom suppoters got already dissapointed by Gematsu, if SMTxFE is your last hope for Chrom to stay relevant there is a really tiny chance that you get dissapointed by your own expectations.

To put a number to my point
SMTxFE chance of returning characters 97% but there is always a really small chance for this to not happen and you should consider the posibility no matter how unlikely or ilogical this might be

 

[Morian]

I certainly don't gonna buy SMT X FE if they only put in random original characters lol

A bit off-topic, but I honestly really enjoy the Avatar creation system, and I hope it's brought back in the next Fire Emblem.

A FE7 plot-wise My Unit it could be nice. More customization, portraits according to your actual class, accesories, stuff like that are nice too, I don't want to feel so limited.

I don't think that Chrom really had a theme. If anything, Shepherd's garrison is the closest thing to a theme for him.

My...the recruitment theme of Awakening is awful. Question: is there any specific theme attached to Marth? Don't say the FE theme pls

 

[Sensei]

The Fire Emblem cast always have a classy swagger to them and elegant fighting style. I definitely support Chrom for the roster!