Anything Can Change! Chrom for SSB4 - Closing Remarks, and an Invitation

[Johnknight1]

In Awakening I mean, she has some stab moves and a semi-graceful style.

Never played Awakening, so I wouldn't know, lol.

Awakening, Gaiden (2), 5, Radiant Dawn (10), and 12 are the only Fire Emblem games I haven't played yet.

That's gonna take soooome time. But I'm gonna be there.

The only thing that will take time is:
1. Testing the model.
2. Working out with early (awful) Smash hacking/mod programs.
3. Making new alternate colors.
4. Possibly readjusting Chrom's model size to be exactly the same height as Marth/Ike/Lucina/Pikachu.

 

[Deviddo]

Pikachu?

Johnknight, I do apologize for coming off rather rude earlier.
You should know however, that our desire is to have Chrom in as DLC with his own unique moveset. We'll take what we can get of course, but until Sakurai acknowledges us, we won't know what that entails, exactly. For all we know, he'll simply tell us, "No, Chrom won't be playable in the game in any way shape or form." Or he won't acknowledge us period, but honestly, we can't even start doing modifications ourselves until the game comes out, someone rips the model, we find a way to 'hack' Smash 4, so on, so forth.
But having Chrom officially in the game rather than as a mod that we, the fans made, is much more preferable.

No matter what that means.

 

[Enloc]

Yes, official would be most preferable. Unofficial stuff won't have the possibility of an Amiibo and the collector in me is angered by that. I would love to have a Chrom to stand with my Marth (and Ike and Lucina if they get them too!). It's only right that they stand together, being relatives and all.

 

[Opossum]

Yes, official would be most preferable. Unofficial stuff won't have the possibility of an Amiibo and the collector in me is angered by that. I would love to have a Chrom to stand with my Marth (and Ike and Lucina if they get them too!). It's only right that they stand together, being relatives and all.

All I'm hoping is that SMTxFE gives me a Chrom Amiibo.

 

[Deviddo]

Yes, official would be most preferable. Unofficial stuff won't have the possibility of an Amiibo and the collector in me is angered by that. I would love to have a Chrom to stand with my Marth (and Ike and Lucina if they get them too!). It's only right that they stand together, being relatives and all.

Actually, is it possible that not all of the playable characters will get an Amiibo?

 

[Enloc]

Oh man, SMTxFE... I'm hoping to hear ANYTHING about that, haha! I was desperately hoping for something at E3, just to prove it's not a figment of our collective imagination...but no.

I'm not sure about the Amiibo thing. I've heard mixed messages about them. Some people think that we might not get them for all characters, but I'm hoping that's not the case. It would be odd to have SOME Smash characters available but not all.

 

[CardStealer1]

I may be wrong but I thought Sakurai said all characters in Smash would get an amiibo. I'll look for the source later, it's late.

 

[guedes the brawler]

It will be funny if Chrom appears in SMTxFE but Robin doesn'1t, even if Lucina appears in that game too.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

It will be funny if Chrom appears in SMTxFE but Robin doesn'1t, even if Lucina appears in that game too.

Actually, I was actually wondering if Robin would make an appearance in that game.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I actually would not be completely opposed to having Chrom as an alt costume or a clone of Ike (don't think Marth would fit at all, if only because of his stance and the fact that we already have a Marth clone). That is, provided he has his own voice work and name and all. In all likelihood, this is the more probable outcome. And if Nintendo doesn't do it themselves, I have little doubt that someone would eventually attempt it with mods.

But, I'd prefer to push for Chrom being his own unique character. Even if he's not as fantastically unique as some fan movesets have made him, I'd like him to be himself rather than be constrained to Ike or Marth's parameters. I think he'd be faster than Ike but slower than Marth...I have trouble seeing him be as extreme as either of those two.

So, I'd continue to aim for the bigger thing (Chrom as a unique fighter), but I wouldn't be upset if the smaller thing (Chrom as a clone) happened.

(As a partially related side note, I find it funny that people think 3 or 4 blue haired people is too much, but are unopposed to Takamaru, a swordsman with hair that looks bluish in a lot of his art, and have no trouble with a roster that could include Link, Young Link, Isaac, and Shulk, all of whom are blond haired humans who are seen with swords [even if I am to understand that Isaac uses magic...never played so I can't be sure].)

The worst part is that he has a better chance of being included in the next title.

 

[Deviddo]

Really? Personally it seems Smash 4 is his only chance.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Really? Personally it seems Smash 4 is his only chance.

Not if Takamaru's franchise gets revived. And considering all the signs, that is likely. Chrom is a different situation.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Not if Takamaru's franchise gets revived. And considering all the signs, that is likely. Chrom is a different situation.

i think he though you were talking bout Chrom, who really only has Smash 4 as a chance unless he has a very major role in SMTxFe, and is again the protagonist of the game (hopefully without having someone outclassing him in importance in the final chapter, and getting a character theme)

 

[Skyblade12]

i think he though you were talking bout Chrom, who really only has Smash 4 as a chance unless he has a very major role in SMTxFe, and is again the protagonist of the game (hopefully without having someone outclassing him in importance in the final chapter, and getting a character theme)

Yeah, I don't think SMTXFE is really going to boost Chrom's chances of being in the next one on the basis of popularity. It may help keep Lucina relevant and popular, but I don't think it'll be the tipping point.

The one thing that might change it is not how important Chrom is, but how Chrom plays. If Sakurai can spot a movestyle from SMTXFE's mechanics, he'll slap it on Chrom and put him in Smash5 in a heartbeat. We know he likes the character and is a huge Fire Emblem fan. He just needs some concept for a unique moveset. That's where Chrom's chance comes from.

 

[Deviddo]

Seeing how SMTxFE is set in modern times, I don't think FE characters are going to be main characters as much as they are a summon, or something.

And yes, my bad, I did think Blue was talking about Chrom.

 

[guedes the brawler]

reposting this, since originally there was an arugment going on when i posted this, and it went unnoticed:

"You know, i've already said about how a Chrom + Robin pair-up would be the best thing for an awakening rep... but with both robin and Lucina taken, and Frederick being a horseman, a pair-up for Chrom would be unviable, right?



but then i thought... what about Lissa? Between Heal, ward and Rescue, there is plenty that can be done with her.

She could cast Heal once or twice if you do one taunt near her (10 to 15%), and cast Ward on Chrom once he reaches the 120% mark (could decrease damage/knockback taken by 20% for 10 seconds or so), and if Chrom is put on a situation where he can't recover with aether, lissa could cast rescue (Once per match, could be automatic but take a slight while to cast, so if Chrom is sent flying too fast...)

 

[Deviddo]

Sorry! I did read that post, it just slipped out of my mind with all the discussion on other things going on! A pair-up with Lissa does sound like an idea, although what you have listed almost makes Chrom seem a bit too overpowered with all the healing he'd be able to do.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Sorry! I did read that post, it just slipped out of my mind with all the discussion on other things going on! A pair-up with Lissa does sound like an idea, although what you have listed almost makes Chrom seem a bit too overpowered with all the healing he'd be able to do.

of course it would need tweaks... but consider that you'd have to wait til she casts heal on you, which would only begin after your taunt ends, so chorm would not be able to heal if he is in the fray... which is bad, actually.

maybe it could be better to have her casting wind (very weak, and fast) with an Aerial Smash like robin does, or a smash special like Samus's Super Missile. in order to make Chrom have a better combo game.

Chrom's combo game, if this idea holds up, would kinda require Lissa to work with him. i envision Chrom having a decent bit of early knockback scale to make sure his hits don't combo that well.

 

[guedes the brawler]

The lack of news is unsettling.

 

[Deviddo]

Opossum has just been busy the past couple of days, news will come.

 

[Opossum]

SPEAKING OF WHICH.







I can officially say that there's enough time in my schedule on Sunday to deliver the news.

 

[Pokechu]

SPEAKING OF WHICH.







I can officially say that there's enough time in my schedule on Sunday to deliver the news.

Ooo!

plspostitnow

 

[guedes the brawler]

So, those that support Chrom for DLC, how do you feel about Robin getting in?

as much as i hate the fact that Robin got in while not being the protagonist, i gotta say, he has a cool moveset. Sure, not the best that can be done with Solo Robin (no wonders, since no skills were used). I do hope that Thunder moe isn't great for camping cause that's bad for the metagame.

 

[Pokechu]

IMO YALL WRONG ;(
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I think Robin was the main protagonist, because the story was mainly on them, but w/e

I wanted Robin more than Chrom, but I'm just supporting Chrom for DLC just for it. He seems like a cool guy.

 

[Opossum]

So, those that support Chrom for DLC, how do you feel about Robin getting in?

as much as i hate the fact that Robin got in while not being the protagonist, i gotta say, he has a cool moveset. Sure, not the best that can be done with Solo Robin (no wonders, since no skills were used). I do hope that Thunder moe isn't great for camping cause that's bad for the metagame.

Technically speaking, Robin's one of the protagonists.

And I hold no resentment toward Robin getting in. My dream was having both playable, but alas, when push came to shove, my support went to Chrom. So I don't have any bitterness toward Robin. Only bitterness toward him getting in without his buddy.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Technically speaking, Robin's one of the protagonists.

And I hold no resentment toward Robin getting in. My dream was having both playable, but alas, when push came to shove, my support went to Chrom. So I don't have any bitterness toward Robin. Only bitterness toward him getting in without his buddy.

But he is ultimately a deuteragonist.

if you split the cast between the side characters and the main characters, that's another story.

 

[Opossum]

But he is ultimately a deuteragonist.

if you split the cast between the side characters and the main characters, that's another story.

I'd actually disagree, somewhat.

I believe, if anything, Lucina qualifies for deuteragonist, while Chrom and Robin share main protagonist status. They're a team, after all.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I'd actually disagree, somewhat.

I believe, if anything, Lucina qualifies for deuteragonist, while Chrom and Robin share main protagonist status. They're a team, after all.

they are a team, but they don't share every single accomplishment, which allows for a separation of their roles like that.

i cannot agree with calling Robin a protagonist when he becomes basically an extra during extended periods of time, without a POV switch to justify it.

 

[Pokechu]

Well... I don't really understand Chrom being the main protagonist. You play as Robin, he's the tactician of the group, so imo he's the main character ovo

 

[guedes the brawler]

Well... I don't really understand Chrom being the main protagonist. You play as Robin, he's the tactician of the group, so imo he's the main character ovo

yeah, but that's just an illusion.

Noire's paralogue proves that you are not playing as Robin, you are a separate entity. Or you are proposing that Noire flipping out on turn 2 and becoming playable means she is taking orders from Robin, when she hasn't spoken with anyone of the team?

 

[IronFish]

So, those that support Chrom for DLC, how do you feel about Robin getting in?

as much as i hate the fact that Robin got in while not being the protagonist, i gotta say, he has a cool moveset. Sure, not the best that can be done with Solo Robin (no wonders, since no skills were used). I do hope that Thunder moe isn't great for camping cause that's bad for the metagame.

Robin IS a co-protagonist the main protagonist

 

[Opossum]

Let's not get too fiery here, people, however ironic it may be.

 

[IronFish]

yeah, but that's just an illusion.

Noire's paralogue proves that you are not playing as Robin, you are a separate entity. Or you are proposing that Noire flipping out on turn 2 and becoming playable means she is taking orders from Robin, when she hasn't spoken with anyone of the team?

And that's just straw grasping

 

[guedes the brawler]

And that's just straw grasping

it's pure logic. You don't play as Robin. Another relevant fact: the very much useless and unneeded ability to issue a "strategy" to units that is introduced to you on chapter 2. You are said that 'you can let units do their won thing without you worrying about they following your orders", and you can put the same command on Robin himself.

co-protagonist is a non-existing term, or at least a wrong one: it's deuteragonist.

 

[Opossum]

This isn't very relevant to Chrom, guys.

 

[False Sense]

This isn't very relevant to Chrom, guys.

Technically, it's a discussion about whether Chrom is the main protagonist, or both Robin and Chrom are equally important.

But at the moment, it seems more focused on unnecessarily hating Robin, so...

 

[Opossum]

Technically, it's a discussion about whether Chrom is the main protagonist, or both Robin and Chrom are equally important.

But at the moment, it seems more focused on unnecessarily hating Robin, so...

Better to extinguish potential flames than ignite them, right?

 

[Deviddo]

I'm seeing hate on both sides of the spectrum, really.

But here's how I see it. In Light and Shadow, they introduced the character-creation avatar system dealie-o. The player character has more presence than the tactician in Blazing Sword, but it's still Marth's story. However, I'm sure it can be argued that either Marth or the player character is more of a "main character" than the other.
In Awakening, the Avatar has a much more important role! They are a key figure to the story, and it wouldn't exist without them. Regardless, Chrom is just as much a playable character as the Avatar is, and they both work as a great team throughout the entire story.

Avatar may be the player character
and Chrom may be the Lord of the game

but in my opinion, they are both equally as important, and form a single force.

 

[guedes the brawler]

right... either way, going back, again to my Lissa Pair-up idea... how'd you guys do this one?

 

[Skyfox2000]

I understand you guys want Chrom. I did to I played the Awakening and I really did like his Personality. But I don't think there's no way he can be DLC because he's a final smash. I guess they could use Fredrick instead but I don't see it.