Another Topic To Argue About Wavedashing In

[Kelexo]

My idea: an Anti-Wavedashing clan, perhaps?

If Brawl has wavedashing, I may consider making an anti-wavedashing clan. I've never really been part of clans, but I'm certainly willing to try, although I've experienced WC3 clans before.

I've never liked the idea of wavedashing, and my reasons will stay dormant for now, though I will say that it's not necessarily limited to 'ITS A GLITCH AND IMMORAL!!!'

To be in the clan, you have to at least NOT SUCK, which the determining factor for that will be choosen once the game is actually released.

So, thoughts? (Yeah, this is poorly planned :D)

[NOTE TO PEOPLE WHO USE WAVEDASHING AND THINK THIS IS DUMB: no one cares ]

EDIT: TOPIC IS NOW THE OFFICIAL "ANOTHER TOPIC TO ARGUE ABOUT WAVEDASHING IN" TOPIC

 

[Pyroloserkid]

I mean, if you want to make a "clan" of people who wavedash, go ahead. You'll be facing people who DO wavedash, unless you decide to find people who don't to face.

Anyways, this only makes sense if Wavedashing is in Brawl.

 

[Red Exodus]

We don't even know if it's in the game yet. And it'd be nice for you guys to stick together instead of johning about WDing every match. Have fun.

 

[Footos454]

do what you want. how you play has no effect on me. if you're better than a person who can wavedash, well good for you, that doesn't mean wavedashing sucks, and if you lose, that doesn't mean wavedashing is the best technique either.

 

[Darkurai]

I love you.

 

[FierceDeityWolf]

YES. I want to friggen' join. I do wavedash, but only for fun. I don't see how it helps. That's just me, of course, I've seen people wavedash and they fight better like that, but I just can't. I only do it when I'm fighting a lv 9.

THIS IS THE EPIC WIN OF INTERNET. I WISH YOU WERE A HOT BABE, THEN I COULD FRIGGEN' LOVE YOU. *are you? GOD PLEASE SAY YES.*

 

[gnosis]

I call dibs on the no-shielding clan.

 

[.::Link::.]

yes cuz shielding and wavedashing are so alike.....

hell i would join the anti wave clan

-Link-

 

[gnosis]

yes cuz shielding and wavedashing are so alike.....

hell i would join the anti wave clan

-Link-

How are they different? Aside from their uses and input, is it just cause one's in the instruction manual?

I detect that you are mocking my clan. I prefer the game without the bothersome nuances that shielding creates, and I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my decision just like I respect yours.

I just didn't think it necessary to make a new thread for it.

 

[Eaode]

lol I'd probably join just for funsies XD

I wavedash, and it's very useful, but If I joined it'd just be to play some matches forcing myself not to 'cuz I'm bored lol.

 

[Eratangos]

Lol, Aniki better be captain then. He does wavedash a bit now, but very very rarely.

 

[THEmSHAKE]

Oh crap
*runs away because someone probably just set their flame phazer to kill*

 

[Katy Parry]

You think this clan will stand a chance against mine?! Heh, good luck.

Wavedashing is a very useful tech. For example, say a Link is coming at my Zelda, from above, with a Dair. Zelda is near the edge, so she wavedashes back, falls off the edge, and grabs the edge. Link hasn't even hit the ground yet. Realizing his mistake, Zelda quickly lets go, jumps back up, and fairs him, before poor o' Link could pull his sword out of the ground.

 

[NES n00b]

I am going to make anti rolling clan!!!!! The invinciblity frames are not only immoral and cheap, but also change the game in a way I don't like with its invinciblity frames. >.>

Sorry, I just had to type that. You can make this clan but what is this suppose to accomplish? You certainly are not going to get respect from doing it (besides some GameFAQ, Nsiders, and Brawl board people maybe, and not probably even that) nor are you going to prove you are better than wavedashers (unless you are Aniki who can wavedash but doesn't it use it, you probably can't beat most who do use it). Do you mean "wavedashers" as adv tech users or just wavedashing? It's hard to tell on these Brawl boards.

Why would you limit yourself and your clan like that? I don't like crouch counceling very much nor do I like invincibilty ledge stalling very well either. However, I won't limit myself by not using these techniques and I certainly wouldn't make a clan prohibiting their use and sound smug for not using them. If it is in Brawl, it is part of the game. Deal with it. Unlike items and other settings, it wouldn't have an off button like the rest of the characters' moveset.

Why do so many people support this no wavedashing nonsense? It's not broken. It didn't change the play by near as much as other techs (it is the most noticeable). It adds depth to the game and helps your game if you can use it right so why limit yourself? Do even you anti wavedash people even play against people who did wavedash or try to use it?

What do you mean by "not suck?" I think I am not that good, but I could beat everyone who doesn't use advance techs by at least three stocks and might get into the power rankings. I could make an arguement that all people who don't use advance techs "suck," but a person sucking is both subjective and relative. This requirment seems pretty arrogant coming from an unknown person who refuses to use advance techs (or at least wavedashing).

Edit: I do like to say that is definitely your descision to do this and no one is forcing you to change your mind. I do want to say to think about trying advance techs out. You might like it and actually have more fun playing with wavedashing and other advanced stuff. It is not that hard to learn and practicing against people for 2 to 3 weeks will probably get you up to decent standards with them. Don't limit yourself.

 

[Katy Parry]

Go NESNOOB! Speak the truth!

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Have fun losing.

 

[Adi]

This thread is a prime example of why I try to avoid this section of SWF. It's too bad that the WiFi update drew me back here to see this =/.

 

[Jigglymaster]

So tell me, you expect to have this clan, yet, in World Wide matchups, you do not know who the player is. If you really want to be the anti wavedashing clan just stay away from World Wide Mood because I can assure you you will run into one of those players eventually.

Now, I know its wrong for competitive players to tell you that u can't do that. But when they ignore it and you shove it in their faces a little more they start flaming. Just warning this will cause some major flaming by other people who can't take it when u rub it in their faces.

I think wavedashing is overrated, the most important part of playing good is the SHFFL. I'm a Jigglypuff player and I hardly use wavedashing (since I spend most of my game in the air) and I still win easily. Its fine for you to not WD, nobody cares what u do. But when call out "were the anitWDrs!" everybody starts to hate u because they too overrate Wavedashing. Just a bit of advice that you keep these things a secret so other people won't get angry at you. Seriously, you could have this clan, nobody would care, since u brought this topic up on the competitive players turf thier gonna respond. I mean your just asking to be flamed. Why have them flame u when u could have just kept it a secret and it would have been the same way in the end, instead of everybody hating you, they just wouldn't know you.

 

[Red Exodus]

Jig the reason WD isn't as useful for you is because of your main. Jigs is more of a airborne char so you won't need WDing, although wavelanding might come in handy. But for a character like Marth where tippers can end stocks early on spacing is everything, which is where wavedashing comes in.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Jig the reason WD isn't as useful for you is because of your main. Jigs is more of a airborne char so you won't need WDing, although wavelanding might come in handy. But for a character like Marth where tippers can end stocks early on spacing is everything, which is where wavedashing comes in.

Well ya I kno that. I have Mario and Falco as a secondary and I use WDing all the time. I'm just pointing out that SHFFL is more important than WDing. WDing is a big part of mind games but SHFFL is what u basicly need to combo and actually hit your opponent.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Wavedashing is not a Brawl topic! It's a Melee one!

 

[Red Exodus]

Just making sure, I believe SHFFLing and JC are up there with WDing. If I had to choose between being 100% efficient at any advanced technique it'd be SHFFLing.

 

[Volrec]

What a dumb ****ing topic

WD doesnt make you win or lose

stop bawwing

 

[AlphaZealot]

To be in the clan, you have to at least NOT SUCK, which the determining factor for that will be choosen once the game is actually released.

This statement and the thread title are contradictory. I have yet to meet someone good who also chooses (chooses, notice I didn't say they were incapable of performing the technique) not to wavedash.

 

[Kelexo]

The problem with wavedash supporters is they don't realize the reasons people don't choose to wavedash. I'm not going to tell you YOU'RE wrong or that wavedashing in general is a stupid or pointless or unfair or anything; there is a group of people who actually play less competitively then you. They may not kick the most ***, but they are usually less competitive people who try to have FUN once in a while. I notice a lot of people want Wavedashing in brawl just because they are afraid to play in a way that may BALANCE this, using a skill that requires a bit of work, lots of practice, and excellent timing.

Trust me; not everyone is as insane about being the best and doing whatever they can to win. People actually play this game to have FUN. This is why I want to start this clan.

However, yeah, it probably won't happen, I can see it, I didn't doubt it from the start, but I wanted to just check interest, and propose the idea in case someone more willing is up for the task.

 

[Red Exodus]

So we don't play for fun? Who fooled you?

You just shot yourself in the foot, your whole point is moot.

 

[NES n00b]

I have fun playing with wavedashing and stuff.

You don't lose your soul and become a robot who has no fun playing smash. I can understand not using wavedashing if you play the game every so often at your friends house at something maybe once a month. What you are proposing here is a clan which implies that you will be playing Brawl alot. If you are playing alot, why not improve. I mean. . . you enjoy beating your friends and improving don't ya. Sure some people care about that stuff less, but if you are going to put the effort into making a clan that is trying to be competative with the online community, why not just use advance techs?

No, wavedashing helped balanced the game as Mewtwo, Luigi, and ICs would be useless while everyone else would be at close to the same respective places. If you mean lower the gap between people who don't play often and those that learn advance techs, why would you want that? Why would you want a game where someone can pick up the game and beat you even though you have been trying to get better?

I am not insane trying to be the best or whatever, but I like improving and I like how much faster the game is by advance techs. The game is pretty slow without advance techs. Also, the game is deeper so it adds replay value by making the game harder to master and gameplay more varied (at least in terms of skill).

Come on. Give it a try. I was a casual gamer once too you know. If I can learn how to do wavedashing, then almost anyone can learn it in 3 weeks. You might find it more fun to use these techs and not only that, but you can also use them for FFAs, teams, and item matches. So it does not limit the way you play.

 

[Yoshi1999]

ROFL

Wavedashing isn't a glitch nor the ultimate killer move, you have no reason to be against it

 

[gnosis]

Wavedashing is not a Brawl topic! It's a Melee one!

Oh right. Let's close all the unconfirmed character threads, all the unconfirmed stage threads, and any other thread about something that has yet to be confirmed in Brawl.

Because, how silly of us, we forgot, Pluvia said that speculating about what might carry over from Melee to Brawl isn't at all a Brawl discussion. So any thread talking about Game & Watch or Captain Falcon or any other unconfirmed Melee character's potential in Brawl, what might change about them, who would want to use them, etc., is just off topic spam.

Thanks for reminding us.

blah blah blah

No, no, I understand why people decide not to put the effort in to wavedash. And it's not because they 'play for FUN' (everyone plays for 'FUN'), it's just that they don't play to be competitive. That's fine.

Although it does lead to a contradiction when you claim that members can't suck and can't wavedash. Because the first part is very hard to do, while the latter is really really easy in comparison. After all, you don't wavedash because you don't wanna turn smash into 'work', it's just 'for fun', and the no sucking rules goes a lot further towards work than learning how to wavedash does...

Anyway, the problem comes in when your clan isn't just lacking in wavedashing, it's specifically anti-wavedashing. So when you tell us that you're not going to say we're wrong or wavedashing is pointless, etc., you kinda already poisoned the well on that one.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Oh right. Let's close all the unconfirmed character threads, all the unconfirmed stage threads, and any other thread about something that has yet to be confirmed in Brawl.

Because, how silly of us, we forgot, Pluvia said that speculating about what might carry over from Melee to Brawl isn't at all a Brawl discussion. So any thread talking about Game & Watch or Captain Falcon or any other unconfirmed Melee character's potential in Brawl, what might change about them, who would want to use them, etc., is just off topic spam.

Close them all if you want. I wouldn't see the point though, seeing as though they don't start flame wars.

Thanks for reminding us.

You're Welcome.

 

[gnosis]

Close them all if you want. I wouldn't see the point though, seeing as though they don't start flame wars.

Your argument was not 'if something starts flame wars let's not talk about it'. Your argument was 'if we don't already know it's in Brawl, it's off-topic spam'.

I can't believe I have to explain this for you

Edit: I'm giving you a hard time because you seemed so proud of saying such a silly thing...

 

[SmashChu]

How are they different? Aside from their uses and input, is it just cause one's in the instruction manual?

I detect that you are mocking my clan. I prefer the game without the bothersome nuances that shielding creates, and I'd appreciate it if you'd respect my decision just like I respect yours.

I just didn't think it necessary to make a new thread for it.

One was built into the game and the other is not, sckewering how the game is ment to be played, and basically messing things up.

 

[gnosis]

One was built into the game and the other is not, sckewering how the game is ment to be played, and basically messing things up.

Read other wavedashing threads. You will find every, single, point in your sentence has been thoroughly discredited. Over and over again.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Your argument was not 'if something starts flame wars let's not talk about it'. Your argument was 'if we don't already know it's in Brawl, it's off-topic spam'.

I can't believe I have to explain this for you

Edit: I'm giving you a hard time because you seemed so proud of saying such a silly thing...

Actually, you missed the point completely.

I said:

Wavedashing is not a Brawl topic! It's a Melee one!

Re-read that a few time, so you understand it.

 

[gnosis]

Actually, you missed the point completely.

I said:

Wavedashing is not a Brawl topic! It's a Melee one!

Re-read that a few time, so you understand it.

Would you care to take a shot at reading it again? Maybe reading anything, really. I suggest starting out slow because you're having trouble with it. I hear See Spot Run is a good one for that.

All that sentence means is that talking about wavedashing shouldn't be in the Brawl boards because we don't know it's in Brawl -yet-. That sentence, by implication, carries on to condemn every single topic about anything that we don't -KNOW- is in Brawl as off topic until further notice.

In other words, as I already said, that sentence puts a block to any and all speculation about Brawl. If it's about things that are in Melee and we have yet to find out if they're in Brawl or not, it's just a Melee topic. If it's about new things to the Smash series, then it's just off topic in general. I'm not claiming this, you implied it by saying we can't talk about wavedashing since it's unconfirmed.

You later revealed that your real argument for why we shouldn't talk about wavedashing wasn't that unconfirmed ideas are off-topic, but that wavedashing starts flame wars. Say what you mean from the start, instead of this brickheaded quote people throw around to try and shut up wavedash discussion in the Brawl boards.

edit: I really could of been much more concise by simply stating 'Speculation of Brawl is a Brawl topic', but I always over explain things just so it doesn't drag on forever... but, here we are. x_x

 

[NES n00b]

"If wavedashing is in Brawl. . . . . . "

This is speculation of Brawl is it not?

Also, wtf are you talking about Smashchu? Tell me all the altering of basic play that wavedashing itself did.

 

[Red Exodus]

How is wavedashing screwing up the game? As far as I know when I WD my disc doesn't get scratched, my controller doesn't fall apart, the game doesn't freeze.

No one complains when you guys play single button mode with bomb-ombs up to very high, so don't complain about us.

 

[NeoFalconHavok]

mind if i stroll in as well?

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Would you care to take a shot at reading it again? Maybe reading anything, really. I suggest starting out slow because you're having trouble with it. I hear See Spot Run is a good one for that.

All that sentence means is that talking about wavedashing shouldn't be in the Brawl boards because we don't know it's in Brawl -yet-. That sentence, by implication, carries on to condemn every single topic about anything that we don't -KNOW- is in Brawl as off topic until further notice.

In other words, as I already said, that sentence puts a block to any and all speculation about Brawl. If it's about things that are in Melee and we have yet to find out if they're in Brawl or not, it's just a Melee topic. If it's about new things to the Smash series, then it's just off topic in general.

You later revealed that your real argument for why we shouldn't talk about wavedashing wasn't that unconfirmed ideas are off-topic, but that wavedashing starts flame wars. Say what you mean from the start, instead of this brickheaded quote people throw around to try and shut up wavedash discussion in the Brawl boards.

Check the Dojo. Find Wavedashing anywhere? No?

Speculation is fine, but when people talk about Wavedashing, they talk about Melee.

So simply. Very simply.

Wavedashing is not a Brawl topic. It's a Melee one.


I can't believe I'm having to explain this for you.

 

[Kelexo]

Does that mean that, before wifi was confirmed for brawl, all brawl wifi topics should have been deleted?