Another Topic To Argue About Wavedashing In

[Red Exodus]

By your logic if we talk about shielding, items, dodging or anything that is in Melee that might be in brawl it is melee related.

Error.

 

[gnosis]

Check the Dojo. Find Wavedashing anywhere? No?

Speculation is fine, but when people talk about Wavedashing, they talk about Melee.

So simply. Very simply.

Wavedashing is not a Brawl topic. It's a Melee one.


I can't believe I'm having to explain this for you.

If people talk about wavedashing in Melee, it's a Melee topic.

If people talk about wavedashing's potential future in Brawl, it's a Brawl topic.

If people talk about Captain Falcon in Melee, it's a Melee topic.

If people talk about Captain Falcon's potential future in Brawl, it's a Brawl topic.

Don't misuse my lines because your post sucked way too much *** for that.

 

[Katy Parry]

^^^Thank YOU. Seriously.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

If people talk about wavedashing in Melee, it's a Melee topic.

If people talk about wavedashing's potential future in Brawl, it's a Brawl topic.

If people talk about Captain Falcon in Melee, it's a Melee topic.

If people talk about Captain Falcon's potential future in Brawl, it's a Brawl topic.

Don't misuse my lines because your post sucked way too much *** for that.

Thanks, you just repeated what I said in previous posts.

 

[Ridley22]

I'm in. I don't wavedash because I don't like to and I don't think its "right". So I'm all for no wavedashing.

 

[gnosis]

accidental double post... see below for real one

 

[gnosis]

Thanks, you just repeated what I said in previous posts.

That's not what you were claiming, ever. You said wavedashing is a Melee topic. You gave no qualifiers, it was just wavedashing, period. You then said some stupid **** about how, if something isn't on the Dojo, it couldn't possibly be a Brawl topic.

We then tore you apart and now you're like "oh, uhhhh... that's what I was saying all along, lol".

Which I know isn't true because I've been saying the same thing since the beginning and you've been arguing with me.

Though I don't really care. As long as you shut up now and forever more about wavedashing only being a Melee topic (unless, of course, wavedashing is one day deconfirmed... even then though, we could talk about what Brawl might be like if it still had it).

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Speculation is fine, but when people talk about Wavedashing, they talk about Melee.

By your logic if we talk about shielding, items, dodging or anything that is in Melee that might be in brawl it is melee related.

Error.

Of course not, that's speculation. But when people talk about WD, they talk about Melee, of course, you never do that..

How is wavedashing screwing up the game? As far as I know when I WD my disc doesn't get scratched, my controller doesn't fall apart, the game doesn't freeze.

No one complains when you guys play single button mode with bomb-ombs up to very high, so don't complain about us.

..Oh wait. My mistake.

 

[x4FoSho4x]

There topics get me sooooooooo angry. The ignorance is overwhelming. Seriously.

If they don't have SHFFLing and/or Wding in Brawl. I will LITERALLY cry. lol. Seriously.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

That's not what you were claiming, ever. You said wavedashing is a Melee topic. You gave no qualifiers, it was just wavedashing, period. You then said some stupid **** about how, if something isn't on the Dojo, it couldn't possibly be a Brawl topic.

We then tore you apart and now you're like "oh, uhhhh... that's what I was saying all along, lol".

Which I know isn't true because I've been saying the same thing since the beginning and you've been arguing with me.

Though I don't really care. As long as you shut up now and forever more about wavedashing only being a Melee topic (unless, of course, wavedashing is one day deconfirmed... even then though, we could talk about what Brawl might be like if it still had it).

Calm down a bit dearest.

Originally Posted by Pluvia
Speculation is fine, but when people talk about Wavedashing, they talk about Melee.

You were saying?

 

[Red Exodus]

Of course. I'm going to relate to a game that isn't even out yet.

I should have said we don't complain when you with etc etc. in Brawl?

Error. [again]

 

[gnosis]

Calm down a bit dearest.



You were saying?

Everyone, you can't speculate about wavedashing.

It's like, physically impossible or something. Something to do with the math of the universe disallowing it.

What? No, I don't really get it either. I dunno, you should ask Pluvia, it's this crazy theory he's cooked up. Equations and everything, man. I'd check it out if I were you.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

This thread fails.

Seriously.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Kelexo]

Thanks for 3 pages of argument regardless that I specifically asked for non-supporters to take their problems elsewhere!

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Everyone, you can't speculate about wavedashing.

Originally Posted by Pluvia
Speculation is fine,

Would you care to take a shot at reading it again? Maybe reading anything, really. I suggest starting out slow because you're having trouble with it. I hear See Spot Run is a good one for that.

It's like, physically impossible or something. Something to do with the math of the universe disallowing it.

What? No, I don't really get it either. I dunno, you should ask Pluvia, it's this crazy theory he's cooked up. Equations and everything, man. I'd check it out if I were you.

Sliding a bit off topic here aren't you?

 

[gnosis]

words

Like I said posts ago, you never gave qualifiers on wavedashing. It was just 'wavedashing', and 'talking about it is a Melee topic'.

And if speculation is fine, why did you ever post here in the first place?

(Hint: No one speculates in a vacuum, so the mere fact that Melee was brought up doesn't suddenly make it a Melee topic).

 

[Red Exodus]

Coming from someone that basically put us off topic [pluvia]. No one likes a wanna be mod.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Like I said posts ago, you never gave qualifiers on wavedashing. It was just 'wavedashing', and 'talking about it is a Melee topic'.

And if speculation is fine, why did you ever post here in the first place?

(Hint: No one speculates in a vacuum, so the mere fact that Melee was brought up doesn't suddenly make it a Melee topic).

When people talk about WD, they talk about Melee. I've pointed that out in a previous post.

Whereas speculating that Brawl will have WD is fine, I pointed that out in a previous post also.

Repeating myself is so tedious..

 

[Red Exodus]

Of course things are going to carry over from melee to Brawl. It's to be expected, it is a series after all. If you expect to drawn a bold line between the two you are sadly mistaken.

 

[gnosis]

When people talk about WD, they talk about Melee. I've pointed that out in a previous post.

Whereas speculating that Brawl will have WD is fine, I pointed that out in a previous post also.

First off, you didn't point that out... you merely said speculating is fine, but then went on to say that talking about wavedashing is Melee period. You may have meant wht you claim but you failed to actually post that.

Secondly, no, talking about WDing isn't a Melee topic. Talking about WDing is just a topic, and it's place depends on the context and other things mentioned to determine where it goes in these boards.

Thirdly, whether or not WDing will be in Brawl isn't the only Brawl-related topic there is out there. Talking about whether or not WDing -should- be in, whether or not people should use it, and even the idea of WDing in general can all be incorporated into a discussion speculating about Brawl.

This is why I said people don't speculate in a vacuum; in a Brawl topic about Captain Falcon, guess what people might bring up a lot? What he's like in Melee and his various merits and disadvantages. Why? Because it's part of deciding what should or should not change in Brawl.

And finally, no one was talking just about WDing in Melee this thread. We were talking about, mostly, people's acceptance of WDing currently and if that philosophy makes sense to keep if the technique returns in Brawl. Speculation. Brawl-related discussion. In other words, on topic.

So your post was, really, off-topic. As my replies have been. Imagine that.

 

[Xanderous]

I've never met anyone who refused to use advanced techniques that was any good.
Ever.
And so I assume anyone in this punkass clan sucks horribly.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

You do realize Kelexo, you've just made a mortal enemy out of me. Not that I support wavedashing, but I'm SICK AND TIRED OF THESE ****ING THREADS!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Pluvia's other account]

When people talk about WD, they talk about Melee. I've pointed that out in a previous post.

Whereas speculating that Brawl will have WD is fine, I pointed that out in a previous post also.

Repeating myself is so tedious..

First off, you didn't point that out... you merely said speculating is fine, but then went on to say that talking about wavedashing is Melee period. You may have meant wht you claim but you failed to actually post that.

Speculation is fine, but when people talk about Wavedashing, they talk about Melee

Secondly, no, talking about WDing isn't a Melee topic. Talking about WDing is just a topic, and it's place depends on the context and other things mentioned to determine where it goes in these boards.

..when people talk about Wavedashing, they talk about Melee

Thirdly, whether or not WDing will be in Brawl isn't the only Brawl-related topic there is out there. Talking about whether or not WDing -should- be in, whether or not people should use it, and even the idea of WDing in general can all be incorporated into a discussion speculating about Brawl.

Speculation is fine,

This is why I said people don't speculate in a vacuum; in a Brawl topic about Captain Falcon, guess what people might bring up a lot? What he's like in Melee and his various merits and disadvantages. Why? Because it's part of deciding what should or should not change in Brawl.

Speculation is fine,

And finally, no one was talking just about WDing in Melee this thread.

Of course not, that's speculation. But when people talk about WD, they talk about Melee, of course, you never do that..

How is wavedashing screwing up the game? As far as I know when I WD my disc doesn't get scratched, my controller doesn't fall apart, the game doesn't freeze.

No one complains when you guys play single button mode with bomb-ombs up to very high, so don't complain about us.

..Oh wait. My mistake.

We were talking about, mostly, people's acceptance of WDing currently and if that philosophy makes sense to keep if the technique returns in Brawl. Speculation. Brawl-related discussion. In other words, on topic.

Speculation is fine,

Thanks, you just repeated what I said in previous posts.

So your post was, really, off-topic. As my replies have been. Imagine that.

No, no it wasn't.

 

[gnosis]

I don't wanna bother with you anymore. You see someone mentioning wavedashing in Melee and suddenly it's Melee-only off-topic.

Part of the philosophy behind not wavedashing is because it's a 'glitch'. So if we're talking about whether or not people should keep that philosophy in Brawl, discrediting it may require we point out how it wasn't a glitch in Melee. That's on topic for Brawl, since it serves as a foundation for future discussion. No one speculates in a vacuum.

You fail to understand that. You just rush in because someone's mentioned Melee, all ready to own up, not bothering to actually stop and consider that, hey, maybe my very limited idea of what is and is not Brawl-related sucks ***.

And the truth is, talking about wavedashing is just a topic. Whether or not it's Melee or Brawl related depends entirely on context and the other things mentioned in the discussion. Understand that and you will be a good deal wiser.

 

[Team Giza]

I will join... lols

 

[Pluvia's other account]

I don't wanna bother with you anymore. You see someone mentioning wavedashing in Melee and suddenly it's Melee-only off-topic.

I guess you couldn't find a counter-argument for my post then.

Part of the philosophy behind not wavedashing is because it's a 'glitch'. So if we're talking about whether or not people should keep that philosophy in Brawl, discrediting it may require we point out how it wasn't a glitch in Melee. That's on topic for Brawl, since it serves as a foundation for future discussion. No one speculates in a vacuum.

So basically, Speculation is fine..?

You fail to understand that. You just rush in because someone's mentioned Melee, all ready to own up, not bothering to actually stop and consider that, hey, maybe my very limited idea of what is and is not Brawl-related sucks ***.

Actually, I think I understood it quite well, as I've been pointing out in previous posts. What you're saying now is:

Speculation about WD in Brawl is fine.

So you're just saying exactly what I've been saying for quite some time, yet I'm the one that failed to understand that.

Well that wasn't a very hard argument to counter, you just started a confrontation then ended up agreeing with me.

I can't believe I had to explain that to you.

Anyways y'all, I'm off to bed now, I'll be back in a few hours.

*Waves*

 

[gnosis]

Speculation about WD in Brawl is fine.

Then, again, why did you post here in the first place?

It's all we were doing. Speculating about WDing's potential future in Brawl.

And btw, from that very first quote to even recent ones you've been stating that wding is a Melee only topic. You said, several times, that people can speculate, BUT -IF- they bring up wavedashing, it's suddenly a melee topic.

If speculation about wavedashing was fine, that first quote is entirely debunked. All your quotes about "speculation is fine, 'BUT' wavedashing is a melee only topic" are entirely debunked. And so on.

Not until I called you out on this repeatedly did you start claiming that you had always said speculation on WDing is fine. And you haven't. You may have meant it, though. So you either suck at writing and don't ever write what you really mean, or you're a liar. If what's you meant, say it from the very beginning, like I said ages ago. Your first quote started this, and since now even you don't agree with it, well... all this was just a dumb waste of time.

Edit: I wonder if I could please be marked for 'Replying to SPAM' in this thread. Because I feel like I deserve it, after falling into Pluvia's convoluted trap.

 

[Team Giza]

Wavedash could very well be in brawl. Perhaps nerfed a bit and more controlled so it maintains balance even more between characters.

 

[Y34HDUD3!!!]

I'm tired of all these stupid-*** threads about wavedashing (who isn't?), so....

I've hired these 3 cats to kill you all:

They are coming for you, and they are hungry.

 

[Johnknight1]

I am going to make anti rolling clan!!!!! The invinciblity frames are not only immoral and cheap, but also change the game in a way I don't like with its invinciblity frames. >.>

Seriously, I hate those f***ing invincibile frames! XD Anti-rolling clan FTW!

Have fun losing.

^ whoa, that post is amazing. I give it a 109/10!

This statement and the thread title are contradictory. I have yet to meet someone good who also chooses (chooses, notice I didn't say they were incapable of performing the technique) not to wavedash.

^ Other then Anaki, there is really NO PRO NON-WAVEDASHER in the world. He'll probably be the only one, becuase people who don't wavedash, and say it's cheap are just made because they can't use most advanced techs. People who use other techs over it...that's technically me [dash dancing=me calming, and playing smooth=my favorite AT, actually]. But seriously, saying it's cheap is retarted. The tiers would be worse in Melee, and same in Brawl possibly. *points at Mewtwo, the Ice Climbers, Mario, Dr. Mario, and Luigi*

How is wavedashing screwing up the game? As far as I know when I WD my disc doesn't get scratched, my controller doesn't fall apart, the game doesn't freeze.

No one complains when you guys play single button mode with bomb-ombs up to very high, so don't complain about us.

^ OWNED! OWNED! OWNED!

Dang it Red, you're cracking me up. Seriously, if you're anit-wavedashing you aren't going to last. Seriously, don't complain about wavedashing because of your lack of skill, and inability to pull it off.

@ Y34HDUD3!!!
Crazy assassin cats FTW!

Omneox of Smash FTW!

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

^^^^^^^^^
By the way, that is really what I look like. Seriously, my wife took that picture of me! XD

 

[AlphaZealot]

So, let me get this straight, some people are arguing that Wavedashing is a melee topic because whenever it is brought up, eventually things begin to touch on melee, if not immediately?

If I create a topic called "The implications of wavedashing on Brawl", and the topic after a few posts talks about the implications wavedashing had on melee, does that make the topic invalid?

The problem is simple, in order to successfully talk about wavedashing and what it could mean for Brawl, Melee must be discussed because it has already set a precedent. The real kicker is this though, the concept of wavedashing in Brawl gets continually hindered because many people want to rehash the same dead points over and over, heres looking at you Smashchu.

The people who wavedash attend tournaments and take Smash to a level of thinking, practice, and discipline that others do not. ChuDat, Azen, Ken, Isai, Mew2King, KoreanDJ, PC Chris, etc, these players have traveled across the country, competed against local heroes, then the competitive players that destroy local heroes, then the best players in respective states that destroy the competitive players, and these guys still come out on top, and they don't come out on top because they can wavedash, they do it because they OUT THINK YOU, OUT PLAY YOU, and generally speaking ARE A HUNDRED TIMES MORE EXPERIENCED than anyone who claims wavedashing to be gamebreaking/glitchy/immoral/what have you.

The problem isn't wavedashing, these players have seen EVERYTHING there is to see and have an answer and strategy for everything, countless more than anyone who doesn't play competitively can fathom. Think of it like a bag of tricks. With each tournament, they add more tricks to their bag, to a point where they have say, 1000 tricks. On the other hand, a player who is against wavedashing (Person X), and usually by association also not a tournament goer, has a bag of maybe 20 or 50 tricks, tricks the experienced players have already seen and have answers for. It isn't person X's fault that he gets his *** beat by ChuDat, person X was at a disadvantage from the start, hes only played with maybe 15 or 20 different opponents his entire life. Meanwhile ChuDat encounters that many different opponents a week and beats every single one of them. The depths of knowledge and experience simply can't be matched, and it isn't because ChuDat can wavedash, its simply because he is SMARTER when it comes to playing Smash.

Taking wavedashing away doesn't level the playing field any more than banning dunking from basketball would decrease the importance of big men on the floor. I've said it before in these types of threads, if you think wavedashing is a glitch/cheap/whatever than I volunteer myself to play you with one hand and I will guarantee I will win (you can't wavedash with one hand, consider the playing field leveled in terms of technical prowess).

As for Aniki: He can wavedash and he WILL wavedash if he happened to play a character like say, Fox. The simple fact of the matter is most Link players wavedash sparingly because Link has a slow, short wavedash and it is often better to maneuver using a different method than to just wavedash.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

So, let me get this straight, some people are arguing that Wavedashing is a melee topic because whenever it is brought up, eventually things begin to touch on melee, if not immediately?

If I create a topic called "The implications of wavedashing on Brawl", and the topic after a few posts talks about the implications wavedashing had on melee, does that make the topic invalid?

The problem is simple, in order to successfully talk about wavedashing and what it could mean for Brawl, Melee must be discussed because it has already set a precedent. The real kicker is this though, the concept of wavedashing in Brawl gets continually hindered because many people want to rehash the same dead points over and over, heres looking at you Smashchu.

The people who wavedash attend tournaments and take Smash to a level of thinking, practice, and discipline that others do not. ChuDat, Azen, Ken, Isai, Mew2King, KoreanDJ, PC Chris, etc, these players have traveled across the country, competed against local heroes, then the competitive players that destroy local heroes, then the best players in respective states that destroy the competitive players, and these guys still come out on top, and they don't come out on top because they can wavedash, they do it because they OUT THINK YOU, OUT PLAY YOU, and generally speaking ARE A HUNDRED TIMES MORE EXPERIENCED than anyone who claims wavedashing to be gamebreaking/glitchy/immoral/what have you.

The problem isn't wavedashing, these players have seen EVERYTHING there is to see and have an answer and strategy for everything, countless more than anyone who doesn't play competitively can fathom. Think of it like a bag of tricks. With each tournament, they add more tricks to their bag, to a point where they have say, 1000 tricks. On the other hand, a player who is against wavedashing (Person X), and usually by association also not a tournament goer, has a bag of maybe 20 or 50 tricks, tricks the experienced players have already seen and have answers for. It isn't person X's fault that he gets his *** beat by ChuDat, person X was at a disadvantage from the start, hes only played with maybe 15 or 20 different opponents his entire life. Meanwhile ChuDat encounters that many different opponents a week and beats every single one of them. The depths of knowledge and experience simply can't be matched, and it isn't because ChuDat can wavedash, its simply because he is SMARTER when it comes to playing Smash.

Taking wavedashing away doesn't level the playing field any more than banning dunking from basketball would decrease the importance of big men on the floor. I've said it before in these types of threads, if you think wavedashing is a glitch/cheap/whatever than I volunteer myself to play you with one hand and I will guarantee I will win (you can't wavedash with one hand, consider the playing field leveled in terms of technical prowess).

As for Aniki: He can wavedash and he WILL wavedash if he happened to play a character like say, Fox. The simple fact of the matter is most Link players wavedash sparingly because Link has a slow, short wavedash and it is often better to maneuver using a different method than to just wavedash.

This post wins. Thank you for setting things straight, AlphaZealot. Now, can somebody please close this useless thread?

Smooth Criminal

 

[Johnknight1]

Alpha, Buzz, and Smooth FTW! Agreed 100% with all of you!

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

AlphaZealot wins.

Double Flawless.

Fatality.

 

[StarIceRaptor]

An anti-wavedashing clan? Thanks, I needed someone to laugh at today.