Another Glide Attack Counter?

[Umby]

[22:36] <SilverBlaze> and the weird thing you do with the SideB when you go straight up
[22:36] <SilverBlaze> I've never seen anything like that before
[22:36] <Umby> Btw
[22:36] <Umby> when you saw that once
[22:36] <Umby> Did it clang with your glide attack?
[22:36] <Umby> On Delfino.
[22:36] <SilverBlaze> I think so
[22:36] <Umby> If so, then holy ****.

I think VSDJ clanged with MK's glide attack. Discuss.

 

[miCKi]

wtf sweet discovery umby kinda.
Does it have to be spin dash? can it be a VSCJ?

 

[da K.I.D.]

it would be hard to implement, but that is definitely good to know

 

[Browny]

ive seen side b go through the turtle during the hop, but ive never tried the vertical version :/

could this go through peach/lucario dair :O

 

[MarKO X]

wouldn't that be because the first few frames of the SD has crazy priority? And that priority can be used when it jumps?

Can you say anti-air attacK? Time to test it...

 

[Tenki]

wtf sweet discovery umby kinda.
Does it have to be spin dash? can it be a VSCJ?

it's the same freakin move.

jump while charging = vertical spindash jump (regardless of sideb/downb)

jump while rolling = normal spindash jump (regardless of sideb/downb)


both of them have the same exact properties, except jumping from a charge has well... no initial momentum.

MK's glide attack is really reminiscent of Zelda's Din's Fire, since it looks like (at least, for Sonic) any aerial attackbox will clang with it, and any 'renewing' or multiple hit attack will outprioritize it.

 

[darkNES386]

LoL Tenki... this is why we just need one master guide for Sonic

 

[Umby]

Tenki also reminds me, if someone goes out and tests this, try and see if a regular SDJ clangs as well. That might make it easier to perform when being intercepted at an angle. That's all assuming I saw what I saw.

 

[memphischains]

LoL Tenki... this is why we just need one master guide for Sonic

'I have said this on numerous occasions

 

[Tenki]

I was hoping Izzy would finish up his guide :l

 

[ROOOOY!]

ive seen side b go through the turtle during the hop, but ive never tried the vertical version :/

could this go through peach/lucario dair :O

Hop of Side B = no hurtbox frames. (a few frames, not the whole hop)
It's all hitbox though. It should go through pretty much anything.
But that's an interesting find anyways.

 

[Greenstreet]

ive seen side b go through the turtle during the hop, but ive never tried the vertical version :/

could this go through peach/lucario dair :O

If so, awesome.

 

[TwinkleToes]

It's possible to use the side-b to counter just about anything, but the timing is so strict that it's largely impractical.

 

[IceDX]

It's possible to use the side-b to counter just about anything, but the timing is so strict that it's largely impractical.

Yeah it is really hard..has anyone masterd this???

 

[R4ZE]

well in the avent that you do it too early, u stilla void the glide attack anyway... but i prefer Fsmash for a glide attack counter... because it can kill too.

 

[Tenki]

well in the avent that you do it too early, u stilla void the glide attack anyway... but i prefer Fsmash for a glide attack counter... because it can kill too.

meh?

If I try to Fsmash, the MK usually whacks me in the eyes with glide attack `.`;

 

[R4ZE]

timing son. That is honestly like the number 2 way i kill mk's... number 1 being ceiling kills.


Fsmash definately has more range and priority than mk's glide attack. just sit and wind up ur fist while he is coming at you, and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM . lol

its great. and i love it.

 

[Tenki]

I think the MK can come in vertically right above you and get you out of Fsmash's range `.`;

 

[R4ZE]

well ur fighting some leet **** mk's. u tilt ur fsmash upward right?

if he is high enuff to avoid an up tilted fsmash then wouldnt a charged dsmash put sonics hurt box too low, and swing back for a punsh?

either way.. u could always do something else too... jump back, ASC, bair, plenty of ways to punsih it.

edit, u could even doa grounded spin dash and jump under him.. it would probly hit him to fast for him to react anyway.

 

[Umby]

Holy ****, VSDJ cuts THROUGH the **** thing.

 

[Umby]

Bump. Because people need to know this.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Does it work on Dairs? Lucarios in particular.

 

[Tenki]

...no?


probably not.

 

[R4ZE]

did you guys notices that when u VSDJ, it usually slings u backwards at the start of it. Basicly all im saying is that if you press B< and move in this >>>>>> direction. you wil get a better movment out of it. you will go further than if you just pressed >B and VSDJ'd >>>> that way.

(i havent tested this at all with down-B it probobly works differently.

 

[Tenki]

did you notice that when you charge side-B, you slide backwards?

...that.

 

[ROOOOY!]

It doesn't work on Lucario's Dair :\
I'll try out Peach's in a bit, because that's another problematic move.
^^ And yeah. It's useful when fighting smaller characters and using Spindash. Normally, the hop would go over like a crouching squirtle or something, but do it on the edge facing away from it, and you slide a bit off the edge then the hops kinda replaced by you sliding back up and travelling across the ground minus the hop. So it's basically turning the Spindash into a Spincharge.

 

[Umby]

It doesn't work on Peach. I don't think it works on any multihits or lingering hitboxes.

 

[Anthinus]

I stopped a Mach Tornado with it... Maybe luck?

 

[Tenki]

Grounded Mach Tornado has crappy priority and over half of Sonic's moves can either clang-cancel or outprioritize it.

I'd be surprised if you could beat a rising tornado with it. The only things I know of that can beat that are well-placed aerials (specifically, D-air), and falling springs.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Pity I was hoping itr would have use.

On an interesting note Sonic's Utilt has more priority than Peach's Dair.

Its not very practical but hey it may help.

 

[Tenki]

haha I was thinking of that U-tilt thing `.`; It's so underused.

I noticed that too, though not against Peach's D-air, but Lucario's.

 

[ShadowLink84]

It works on Lucario? I did not know that O_O

 

[TwinkleToes]

haha I was thinking of that U-tilt thing `.`; It's so underused.

I noticed that too, though not against Peach's D-air, but Lucario's.

But that's only at an angle right? I'm fairly sure Sonic's noggin is very vulnerable to attack while he's u-tilting.

 

[Tenki]

yeah, I had walked backwards a bit. I think we traded hits, but it's still a noticeable difference.

It's still a pretty good followup to an early dash attack.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Dtilt -> Dtilt -> Utilt?

 

[Tenki]

I'm pretty sure it'll get screwed up if they DI up/towards you.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Yeah mostly. Though at low percents it works on characters like Bowser with DI.

 

[TwinkleToes]

I still hate u-tilt with a passion. I wish it had like... 2x as much damage and 3x as much knockback. Then it would be MARGINALLY useful as opposed to a complete joke.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Damage? It does 14%. Double that and you're talking Snake like ***********.
I'd say give it a little more range both horizontally and vertically, then it'd be more useful.
I don't use it myself really, SH Uair works better for me.

 

[Umby]

Tbh, I wouldn't have minded utilt to have been like Mario's utilt.