Analyzing The "With Anyone/Basic Brawl" Post Today

[Blu-ninja]

Okay, here's my interpretation of what Sakurai's updates have shown us all in one. (sorry if it's all been said before..)


-Metaknight's green, Yoshi's light blue, and Zelda's dark blue/dark green (I can't tell) alt colours are confirmed.

-Sakurai will be showing more updates that involve secret characters

-Most characters are unlocked during the SSE
[This means that there still will be characters unlocked through other modes]

-A few of the characters that may or may not be the starting roster (but this isn't likely, unless if Sakurai planned the starting roster to be like that of the demo). If the image of the roster he showed us today is truly our roster, then it means three things..
1. Sakurai has already posted secret characters, thus proving he will post up more.
2. The rumour of how there will be 25 characters to start the game and 15 unlockables will be false, and most likely have less characters than 40.
3. Zero-Suit Samus will only be played through the final smash, unless if he changes that.

And I'll leave you with something to think about.
Do you think that when you play multiplayer, you will be able to choose from either
a) Only characters that you've unlocked
b) All the characters in total that have been unlocked by everyone in the match
c) All the unlockable characters without having anyone unlock them
d) Other (post your opinion if not one of the three above)

:]

i hope ZSS gets her own character slot...(or hold R and L to use her,like sheik)


a)
d)
only poeple who have unlocked those characters can play as those characters.

im also hoping you can invite friends AND add other randoms to the mix.

 

[Your Hero]

Sakurai's playing mindgames again.

His update contradicts himself :|
Why would have have the starting roaster, or atleast the picture with all those characters and not have Snake, Zelda and Ice climbers, yet have Snake, Zelda, and Ice climbers in the pictures he provided for examples of how the "With Anyone" will work.

EDIT: Blu-Ninja, the d) you posted is the same as my a)

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

i hope ZSS gets her own character slot...(or hold R and L to use her,like sheik)

Glad to see you corrected yourself. ZSS doesn't deserve another character slot considering she is still Samus.

 

[Your Hero]

Glad to see you corrected yourself. ZSS doesn't deserve another character slot considering she is still Samus.

Lol I forgot about how the Sheik in melee thing could be the same in brawl. My bad.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Sakurai is using the demo character selection screen. He's not going to show us the real one. That's kind of obvious...

And I'll leave you with something to think about.
Do you think that when you play multiplayer, you will be able to choose from either
a) Only characters that you've unlocked
b) All the characters in total that have been unlocked by everyone in the match
c) All the unlockable characters without having anyone unlock them
d) Other (post your opinion if not one of the three above)

I think you're the only one that will be left thinking about this one for long. Sakurai stated in the update that if your online opponent uses a secret character that you haven't unlocked yet, that character will be spoiled for you. Obviously you can't pick characters you haven't unlocked yet.

 

[AllanT]

is it just me or did anybody else notice that you had to pay a coin to choose a stage AND a character?

two words:

OH_CRAP>

see now we know what coins are for- but we have to pay for every wifi match!!

at least thats what it seemed.

 

[Your Hero]

lol no Allan
"You can cast one vote for the stage you want to play. A stage is chosen by lottery from among those voted on by the players."

It's just to show who's choosing. If you needed to pay a coin that'd be really stupid.

 

[blayde_axel]

lol no Allan
"You can cast one vote for the stage you want to play. A stage is chosen by lottery from among those voted on by the players."

It's just to show who's choosing. If you needed to pay a coin that'd be really stupid.

Yeah. lol. I think those are the "coins" you use to select nearly everything from Characters to Stages and such.

 

[Lemon Drop]

Cross-post for those who are furious about the lack of options:

Notice the item labeled "Team Battle". Today's update dealt exclusively with the item labeled "BASIC Brawl". It appears to be designed for a quick, no-questions-asked, almost-zero-prep-time battle. For those who don't like that option, please keep in mind that there is another option on that screen.

EDIT: To expand on my post above:

This implies that "Team Battle" takes you to an interface where you create rooms. Why would you do that if you are playing under the "with anyone" option? The only explanation I can come up with is that someone can choose to create a game and set the options they want. People looking for a game can see a list of open games and get a reading on the match settings for each one. Then they can join a game they like (not being able to see the host's name), and once the game is full, you proceed to the character select screen.

If this is true (which I'd wager it is), then all of this complaining is for nothing.

Or it could just set up a random team battle and make random people join up.

 

[Your Hero]

Sakurai is using the demo character selection screen. He's not going to show us the real one. That's kind of obvious...


I think you're the only one that will be left thinking about this one for long. Sakurai stated in the update that if your online opponent uses a secret character that you haven't unlocked yet, that character will be spoiled for you. Obviously you can't pick characters you haven't unlocked yet.

But why not? I mean you already find out that the characters is an unlockable.

Either way it was just for fun, you didn't have to be mean about it :\

 

[Lemon Drop]

But why not? I mean you already find out that the characters is an unlockable.

Either way it was just for fun, you didn't have to be mean about it :\

Ever play Mario Kart DS online? Before I ever unlocked R.O.B. I saw him online but I couldn't choose him.

It will be like that. You can only play as characters you have unlocked. Not that hard to comprehend.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

But why not? I mean you already find out that the characters is an unlockable.

Either way it was just for fun, you didn't have to be mean about it :\

It's not being mean, it's being fair to the people that spent their time actually playing to unlock those characters, rather than simply having someone who's lazy be able to pick something you spent your time getting.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

But why not? I mean you already find out that the characters is an unlockable.

Either way it was just for fun, you didn't have to be mean about it :\

Yea, that's why he said it would be spoiled for you immedietly. He didn't say, "oh and you'll also be able to play as those characters". Logic man, logic... It's a wonderful thing.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I mean why should people just be able to pick something that someone else worked hard for.

 

[bballstar23]

...ok sakurai also said we'd b gettin the game dec. 3...

Seriously, this is the worst argument regarding Sakurai changing his mind, and I don't understand why people say it. There are a number of factors that went into the delay, not just Sakurai changing his mind. He was pretty reluctant about releasing Sonic on the demo, but Nintendo wanted to soften the blow.

 

[knuckles_18]

did any of you notice that the "character screen" as he called it didn't have Zelda snake or ice climbers yet they are all show in the pictures below. obviously thats just the demo screen not the the actual character screen (the picture with meta knight Nana is blasting off in the background), ( the picture right above that where it says you start the game and the word GO takes up half the screen, ya you can clearly see Zelda and snake as opponents.) THATS NOT THE ACTUAL CHARACTER SCREEN!

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

did any of you notice that the "character screen" as he called it didn't have Zelda snake or ice climbers yet they are all show in the pictures below. obviously thats just the demo screen not the the actual character screen (the picture with meta knight Nana is blasting off in the background), ( the picture right above that where it says you start the game and the word GO takes up half the screen, ya you can clearly see Zelda and snake as opponents.) THATS NOT THE ACTUAL CHARACTER SCREEN!

Yea, it was pointed out in the previous page. The same is true for the stage selection screen.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

did any of you notice that the "character screen" as he called it didn't have Zelda snake or ice climbers yet they are all show in the pictures below. obviously thats just the demo screen not the the actual character screen (the picture with meta knight Nana is blasting off in the background), ( the picture right above that where it says you start the game and the word GO takes up half the screen, ya you can clearly see Zelda and snake as opponents.) THATS NOT THE ACTUAL CHARACTER SCREEN!

Thank you, dude.

 

[King_Dedede]

you people are over reating to the shot of the character page. IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE! and did you notice that there are only, like, 9 stages? Another example. get it through your heads. they could have taken any demo disk and tested those features.

 

[El_Duderino]

In game design there are two demographics, the hardcores and the casuals. Sakurai is designing for both. It's not an easy task, but so far he looks like he's doing a good job of it. The problem, of course, is that he can't make the entire game stellar for both demographics. There are going to be some modes that casuals are rarely or never going to play, and there are some modes that hardcores are rarely or never going to play.

If you don't like With Anyone, or any other mode or feature, on its face value, then it quite simply was not designed for you. It was designed for someone else. That doesn't mean that the game will be void of content for you to use and enjoy. There will be no lack of content for either demographic here.

This goes for any feature that you despise. It's a near guarantee that a good chunk of people somewhere thinks it's pretty nifty.

 

[brawlmaniac]

I'm pretty sure that they've thought their way through on the online matches. I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt that most of the time you would be battling 3 other players and not have any option of having only a two player battle. On another thread I read that the developers of Brawl have thousands of hours on their game time. If they have thousands of hours, I would think that they would be pretty good. If they're good, they probably know that expert players like to have a one-on-one match and not a 4 person match. It seems like so much planning has gone into this game with the online part being one of the main points of it, that they will definitely include only a 2 player battle.

 

[CT Chia]

ppl still keep arguing that its fake cause its a screenshot from the demo. no its not. in this screen theres buttons to change the items and options at the top, which isnt in the demo.

and who said kirby has to be a starter? you fight him at the beginning of SE, so in a sense, u can unlock him when u start it. think of it as enticing you to play the SE. does anyone read the first post?

 

[Frogla]

ppl still keep arguing that its fake cause its a screenshot from the demo. no its not. in this screen theres buttons to change the items and options at the top, which isnt in the demo.

and who said kirby has to be a starter? you fight him at the beginning of SE, so in a sense, u can unlock him when u start it. think of it as enticing you to play the SE. does anyone read the first post?

I stopped at Kirby being unlockable that is pure idiocy. Kirby is a starter,i know a kid who is midly retarted in my class who likes smash. Even he knows thats not the real screen because Kirbys not there.

Do you know what photoshop is or maybe a demo beta. Do you really have the delusion that Metaknight who is a minor rival compared to Kirby the main charachter is going to get the starting roster. You may well wont to move your post into "Most idiotic thing you heard about Brawl"

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

ppl still keep arguing that its fake cause its a screenshot from the demo. no its not. in this screen theres buttons to change the items and options at the top, which isnt in the demo.

and who said kirby has to be a starter? you fight him at the beginning of SE, so in a sense, u can unlock him when u start it. think of it as enticing you to play the SE. does anyone read the first post?

Nobody said it was fake. What I'm saying is that Sakurai wouldn't spoil the starting roster just like that, so he used the demo's screen just as an example. You know how easy it is to add that item button, considering he's had since November 16th to do it? And I suppose it's a weird coincidence that the stage selection screen is also from the demo, but highly unlikely that those are the only ones we get to start out with. Kirby is not a hidden character and it's just ridiculous to assume otherwise.

 

[Dragon Master Luigi]

Nevermind someone answered my question...

 

[Frogla]

Since the character selection screen and the Stage selection screen are from the demo, do u think the ACTUAL selection screens have a changeable option (time or stock)?

who says that one doesnt?

 

[_Phloat_]

Maybe it is the starting roster so far? I mean, they are not done, maybe they are done coding the characters and have not gotten around to actually making the starting roster?

You never know, although HAL would probably make kirby as a starter, fgosh sakes hes in the center in melee!

And slow down the flames frogla.

 

[Frogla]

Maybe it is the starting roster so far? I mean, they are not done, maybe they are done coding the characters and have not gotten around to actually making the starting roster?

You never know, although HAL would probably make kirby as a starter, fgosh sakes hes in the center in melee!

And slow down the flames frogla.

There not flames Phloat, they are an internal response to stupid.
If they arent done with the coding expect a wait till early 2009 they should be in the debugging stage.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

And slow down the flames frogla.

Well I wholeheartedly agree with him. The understanding of logic is just appalling with some of the people here.

 

[Your Hero]

It's not being mean, it's being fair to the people that spent their time actually playing to unlock those characters, rather than simply having someone who's lazy be able to pick something you spent your time getting.

That wasn't what I meant :|
Of course you'd still have to unlock them, I'm just saying that when you battle online, you have the choice to play as the characters that others have unlocked.. just during the wifi matches. Other than that you'd still have to unlock them.

Either way I'm sorry my god. I don't even think it's going to happen, but the fact that you're being so cruel is what makes me have to fight back -_____-

 

[Anth0ny]

z0mg hurs a theory! teh charatar selct screen was like taht becuz theyre guna release a dem0-!!!1!!oen!

Why else would Sakrai take a screen of teh dem0? cuz he's given it to us DUH!!




Please do not take this seriously... -.-

 

[Jave]

I stand by my theory that all characters in the Dojo are starters save for Sonic and Snake. They're the only ones with the "Join the Brawl" videos and I'm sure those indicate that you have unlocked the character.

 

[Chepe]

Now for information that wasn't exactly told to us directly: contrary to what others think, I believe that is the starting roster. Think about it though, he said most characters are unlocked in the Subspace Emissary, and if you come across Kirby and Zelda so early in the game, then we should be unlocking them right away. Sakurai's clearly playing a near-final build of the game, and he wouldn't go out of his way to change the character selection screen for screenshots. If he did, I'm sure he would have poked fun at it as he likes to do: "This, this screen! It looks familiar doesn't it? That's because it's the same screen from the Demo, because of course we aren't ready to show you the starting lineup yet!"

Next we have starting stages, same as the demo selection..

I will argue against this to death if I have to. No, that is the demo select screen and stages, and I am 100% positive. Why? Because Zelda and Snake are seen in subsequent screenshots, and this fact causes you to shoot yourself in the foot about "Sakurai's clearly playing a near-final build of the game, and he wouldn't go out of his way to change the character selection screen for screenshots." So he wouldnt go out of his way to change the screenshots of the select screens, yet would go out of his way to load up the final roster just go get Snake and Zelda in the screenshots? Exactly.

Having Snake and Zelda means that he chose the characters in the gameplay screenshots from the final roster screen, and he obviously didnt want to show it. And its also very possible that the starting roster includes one more newcomer or veteran that he hasnt profiled yet, and didnt want to show it because of that character. So it is very likely that the team loaded up their demo and took screenshots from that...

Kirby and Zelda will be starters, make no mistake.

 

[Chunky-MonkeyLOL]

Bleh, I'm very dissapointed with what we've seen so far in terms of online. Seriously, friend codes? Random matches with no way to tell who the hell you're playing against? Come on Nintendo, it's time to grow the **** up.

Not to mention the obvious problems with the "everyone votes for w/e map and items." It is a given that there will be 1 or 2 maps that will be played CONSTANTLY. It is like this for every game online (CS: Dust2; BF2: Karkand, etc). The fact that you won't be able to create a "room" where the original creator of said room sets all the rules is idiotic.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

I stand by my theory that all characters in the Dojo are starters save for Sonic and Snake. They're the only ones with the "Join the Brawl" videos and I'm sure those indicate that you have unlocked the character.

I agree that those are the only two hidden characters we've seen so far, but I think the videos go with them because they are third-party.

 

[-sonny-]

I don't have a problem with the "With Anyone" mode, I just really wished that there was a "Ranking" mode.

Who knows, maybe it will appear in a soon to come Dojo update ...

 

[Coselm]

There's a theory that accumulating coins will be a form of ranking for online play.

And I am stoked about online play.

 

[SharkAttack]

I'm not too aware of how friend codes work or if on friends mode if someone can set up what items can be used or what kind of provisions the matches set up will be (stock, time, coin, bonus,)
I'm assuming that on friends mode that someone can set all this stuff up. If that's the case than technically all you would need to get the match you want is to make a bunch of friends and have one person set it up. Basicaly just get as many friend codes as you can and then take note of the people you like to play and of those you don't. Eventually you'll develop a friend list of those that are competitive and those of your friends. It's just going to be a pain finding the type of players you want.
I'm not sure if this post makes any sense but I sure hope so.

 

[InvincibleAgent]

If it was indeed the starting roster, then this update from a while back would have been edited:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various02.html

The second picture. It would have been replaced by one that wasn't blurred.

 

[kashikomarimashita]

Anyone mode is for casual players, or people new to Smash. Its just a way to hone your skills with non CPU players. As for those of us who are past the basics its rather pointless. There is no fun in playing random matches. The competition will likely be too weak, and we wont even be able to get in contact with a decent opponent following a match.

But fear not. That is what Friends mode is for. And thanks to the power of the internet it should not be too difficult to swap friend codes with tons of people in your area. Anyhow I was thinking, if another person is hosting a room and you join in, you will be playing against the hosts friends also, some of which may not be on your friends list. In that case Im wondering if you want to play them again, can you get in contact with them through friend mode and then add them to your list? That may be an easier way to expand your friend list. You know by meeting other peoples friends through friend mode. Think of how easy it would be. And you would also know if they are in area with a good connection.